Referendum on Scottish Independence

[Takhisis]

We are the pe… oh excrement. I remember that. Nationalism is good if it's the right nation, mmkay?

 

[Domen]

I bet pro-British grannies can also be dangerous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImdOn-gLwTU

 

[Pangur Bán]

The young have a long list of grievances against baby-boomers, voting against the country's freedom is probably below inflicting billions & billions of unfunded liabilities & environmental ruin, but above depriving them of affordable housing.

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

Dearie me! I've just found out this West Lothian question dates back to 1977, and Tam Dalyell (NB /dil/ just to confuse you).

That's a very long time to wait for a reply to a question. (I think Tam has died in the meantime.)

Westminster rushed into action with typical aplomb. And by 2011 had decided to set up a Commission to look into the question.

Sir Tam is very much alive and was interviewed at length on the BBC this evening, citing classical literature and arguing for the abolition of the Scottish Parliament! Although he's obviously not as sharp as he once was, you've got to admire him for plugging away at his point until the constitution gets changed. The interviewer was almost in tears of affection by the end.

 

[Commodore]

Because it's their future. I'd say they have at least as much to vote on it than some octogenarian who isn't going to survive to live with the consequences.

I agree with your sentiment here, but are 16-17 year olds really educated enough to make an informed decision about the future of an entire nation? And when I say educated, I'm not just talking about schooling; I mean things like life experience as well.

 

[Pangur Bán]

I agree with your sentiment here, but are 16-17 year olds really educated enough to make an informed decision about the future of an entire nation? And when I say educated, I'm not just talking about schooling; I mean things like life experience as well.

I'm not sure people get better with age, they seem to get brainwashed. Many perceptive people I knew as teenagers are now complete morons when it comes to political literacy, despite other considerable advances in educational achievement.

 

[Pangur Bán]

British media still up to their old dirty self-serving lying:

Fighting broke out and a Union Jack was set alight in the centre of Glasgow last night as the tense atmosphere between groups of Yes and No supporters spilled over into violence.
A small group of skinhead, pro- Union Scots were booed and chased out of George Square, which had become a focal point for independence supporters. Chants of “Rule Britannia” were drowned out by a roar of “Freedom” and “Brits out” from Yes campaigners as punches were thrown.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4211236.ece

If you've been following this on social media, you'll get an of how cynical that report is.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Oh there was more to it than just that:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/19/scottish-independence-glasgow-riots_n_5851212.html?1411154263

Unionists were singing "Rule Brittania," burning Scottish flags, and flashing Nazi salutes in George Square. See the videos in the link. Some of my friends in Glasgow reported groups of Unionists running down the streets around the city chanting and generally being gigantic jerks.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Oh there was more to it than just that:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/19/scottish-independence-glasgow-riots_n_5851212.html?1411154263

Unionists were singing "Rule Brittania," burning Scottish flags, and flashing Nazi salutes in George Square. See the videos in the link. Some of my friends in Glasgow reported groups of Unionists running down the streets around the city chanting and generally being gigantic jerks.

We've been following it on this thread. That's the point, the Times report is an illustration of what cynical tendentious manipulative liars the British press are.

 

[Traitorfish]

A small group of skinhead, pro- Union Scots were booed and chased out of George Square, which had become a focal point for independence supporters. Chants of “Rule Britannia” were drowned out by a roar of “Freedom” and “Brits out” from Yes campaigners as punches were thrown.

I notice they report shouts of "Brits out", but not the shouts of "No surrender".

Guess they only want the analogy to work one way.

 

[Pangur Bán]

I notice they report shouts of "Brits out", but not the shouts of "No surrender".

Guess they only want the analogy to work one way.

Don't you think this is outrageous? It's one thing lying about Hugh Grant, but this is our democracy. Scottish people can't ignore this.

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

British media still up to their old dirty self-serving lying:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4211236.ece

If you've been following this on social media, you'll get an of how cynical that report is.

Why are you paying Murdoch money to read it then?
Edit: To be clear, I agree Murdoch's newspapers are cynical and manipulative.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I'm being lectured on FB by a Labour member right now about the "scourge of Scottish nationalism;" he seems to think that the independence referendum was a joke anyway and that the British Army would be sent in to occupy Scottish oil rigs if there were a real danger of secession. Also, Scots should just follow Labour's lead because who gave them their parliament, anyway?

Strangely enough, the CPGB-ML also opposed independence and there are idiots posting about how Scotland's not really a nation anyway. Strange bedfellows British "leftists" keep...

 

[Traitorfish]

By the by, since people were talking about designing the butcher's rag in the event of a "Yes", I thought that the only fair response to a "No" was to replace the Saltire.

I think it's just about the flag we deserve.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Even Russell Brand has noticed:

Link to video.

 

[Traitorfish]

Strangely enough, the CPGB-ML also opposed independence and there are idiots posting about how Scotland's not really a nation anyway. Strange bedfellows British "leftists" keep...

The CPGB-ML are a weird bunch. D'you know they're not even related to the old CPGB? They were a faction within Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party who left because Scargill refused to issue declarations of support North Korea, and just started claiming to be the Communist Party.

 

[Kyriakos]

The worst in all this is that the tone of (i assume primarily) anti-independence media and assorted (and more local) ills seem to now have divided Scotland more.

But a division roughly on a 50-50 basis is a horrible situation.

 

[calad]

The worst in all this is that the tone of (i assume primarily) anti-independence media and assorted (and more local) ills seem to now have divided Scotland more.

But a division roughly on a 50-50 basis is a horrible situation.

Media manipulation is effective but it only slows down inventiable: either Scottland will gain its independence or British political system will reform.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Or, because England hasn't had any of these recently after the whole Lord-Protector Cromwell business, a civil war. This time, a proper one, I guess.

 

[Borachio]

We've been following it on this thread. That's the point, the Times report is an illustration of what cynical tendentious manipulative liars the British press are.

Yeah. Don't read the press. Simple. Especially not News International rags.

edit: oh my mistake, it's been rebranded to News UK. (I can't think why, can I, Ms Brooks?)