Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Frankie Boyle isn't a civic event.
Referendum on Scottish Independence
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...for which I'm eternally grateful.
There is a certain humour to be found in trying to be as un-politically correct as possible, while being topical. This is during a national event where the various tortures carried out on catholics or uppity women are celebrated so we are not exactly starting from a high point.
Are the town council endorsing this in Sussex then? (that's a question). If so, I agree, they shouldn't be.
Borachio
Way past lunacy
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I'm not familiar with Frankie Boyle. Let's see:
Link to video.
Ah yes. I know this type of comedian. Only funny to a very drunk audience.
In fact, I've seen much worse. His technique isn't actually bad, I guess.
Link to video.
Ah yes. I know this type of comedian. Only funny to a very drunk audience.
In fact, I've seen much worse. His technique isn't actually bad, I guess.
Quackers
The Frog
I used to like him when i was like 15-18. Now I can laugh for about five minutes before it gets dull. It's the same old formula over and over again.
GinandTonic
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Each of the societies are very much independent. The council is involved in the overview but it's more in terms of their on going aspiration towards single digit hospitalisations or clearing the train station in less than two hours. Neither of which look particularly likely to be achieved any time soon.
There is no way the council want this, but this is the town that blew up the parking meters for years. This is the town where Tom Paine was the debating society champion three years running. The council can't stop thousands of people running round the streets with barrels of burning tar while they throw explosives at each other and the crowd. The council doesn't have much of a chance of cancelling their Mardi Gras.
Silly Scotsmen, promises are for kids! 'If you vote Yes, we'll take your banks away and you won't get your jobs at the dockyards. If you vote No, free candy for everyone!'
MoD considers pulling £4bn Clyde frigate contract
THE Ministry of Defence has admitted it is considering abandoning its promise to build the new type 26 frigates on the Clyde and instead seek an alternative from abroad, the head of Royal Navy has admitted.
With the MoD and defence contractor BAE in the midst of a dispute over terms of the contract for the frigates there has been speculation the UK could purchase French warships instead and Scotland would lose out on a £4 billion contract while the ship building industry could collapse potentially costing more than 11,000 jobs.
If the Royal Navy goes abroad for warships it will be the first time it has done it in peace time and would break a key pledge made to Scottish voters by the UK government during the referendum that the new frigates would be built on the Clyde.
In an interview with Defense News Admiral Zambellas said: “The aquisition process looks for a solution to be able to give us what we need.
“The affordability question that comes from that depends on the vest that industry can deliver.”
Crucially, he added: “You’ll notice I haven’t necessarily said that that’s the British industry, as the decision has not been made on what the solution to the requirement will be.”
Referendum
SNP defence spokesman and Westminster leader Angus Robertson said that the First Sea Lord’s comments showed that voters in Scotland were lied to during the referendum.
During the referendum campaign, the then Tory defence secretary Philip Hammond made it clear that a Yes vote would mean the ships would not be built in Scotland but a No vote meant the Clyde would get the contracts because the UK does not build complex warships abroad.
“The UK has not – except during the two world wars – ever placed orders for complex warships outside the UK, and I don’t anticipate that the UK would wish to do that in the future,” he said in November last year when Portsmouth was closed in favour of the Govan and Scotstoun yards on the Clyde.
He added: “I think there’s something there that people in Scotland need to think about very carefully.”
Then in August his successor Michael Fallon also confirmed the contracts were heading to the Clyde unless there was a Yes vote while announcing a £348 million contract for the Clyde.
He said: “UK warships are only built in UK shipyards.”
Mr Fallon went on: “This multi-million pound contract shows our commitment to investing in new ships for the Royal Navy and maintaining in the UK the expertise needed to build the warships of the future. It will benefit the dedicated workers of the Clyde, their families and the local economy in Glasgow.”
“This sort of investment by the UK Government is vital for the sustainment of shipbuilding in the city and the hundreds of specialist manufacturing and engineering roles that play an important role in providing war fighting capability for the Royal Navy.”
But reacting to Admiral Zabellas comments, Mr Robertson said: “This puts the lie to yet another Project Fear scare story rolled out during the referendum. Time after time we were told by the No campaign that warships could only be built in the UK.The best place to build these frigates is on the Clyde and everybody knows that.
“It would be a serious breach of trust if this is now being reconsidered - Scotland needs and deserves this work.”
No decision
A spokeswoman for the MoD told The Scotsman that no decision has been made yet on the frigate contract and confirmed that the First Sea Lord had reflected the MoD’s current position.
However in an effort to provide reassurance, she said: “Other than during the World Wars, since the start of the twentieth century, all the UK’s complex warships have been designed and built within the UK for reasons of national security. We do not anticipate any change to this policy in respect of the Type 26 Global Combat Ship.”
Jim Moohan from the GMB and a senior figure in the Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions described the comments by the First Sea Lord as “ludicrous” and said he “does not understand what he is talking about.”
Hew pointed out that the shipbuilding industry had been through a decade of restructuring in the UK, including closing the yard in Portsmouth, which he said “has made us extremely competitive.”
He went on: “I very much doubt that the MoD could find better value for money or a higher stand of quality elsewhere in the world.”
But he also said that the frigate contract was essential for the future of the industry in Scotland and the whole UK.
He said: “We are on the cusp of breaking into a world market for warships with this contract because we will be world leaders in the field. It just requires a bit of common sense to take us forward.”
The contract, thought to be worth £4 billion, would be to build 13 new type 26 frigates, the next generation of warship for the UK to replace the type 23 frigates which are going out of service.
The MoD and BAE Systems are currently negotiating the terms of the contract but are reportedly in deadlock over the cost of the project and last month procurement defence minister Philip Dunne refused to put a date on the signing of a contract despite ministers previously saying it would be completed by the end of this year.
It is understood that the MoD is considering the FREMM frigate currently being built by France and Italy as an alternative.
At least Quackers wouldn't do that if he were in power… amirite?THE Ministry of Defence has admitted it is considering abandoning its promise to build the new type 26 frigates on the Clyde and instead seek an alternative from abroad, the head of Royal Navy has admitted.
With the MoD and defence contractor BAE in the midst of a dispute over terms of the contract for the frigates there has been speculation the UK could purchase French warships instead and Scotland would lose out on a £4 billion contract while the ship building industry could collapse potentially costing more than 11,000 jobs.
If the Royal Navy goes abroad for warships it will be the first time it has done it in peace time and would break a key pledge made to Scottish voters by the UK government during the referendum that the new frigates would be built on the Clyde.
In an interview with Defense News Admiral Zambellas said: “The aquisition process looks for a solution to be able to give us what we need.
“The affordability question that comes from that depends on the vest that industry can deliver.”
Crucially, he added: “You’ll notice I haven’t necessarily said that that’s the British industry, as the decision has not been made on what the solution to the requirement will be.”
Referendum
SNP defence spokesman and Westminster leader Angus Robertson said that the First Sea Lord’s comments showed that voters in Scotland were lied to during the referendum.
During the referendum campaign, the then Tory defence secretary Philip Hammond made it clear that a Yes vote would mean the ships would not be built in Scotland but a No vote meant the Clyde would get the contracts because the UK does not build complex warships abroad.
“The UK has not – except during the two world wars – ever placed orders for complex warships outside the UK, and I don’t anticipate that the UK would wish to do that in the future,” he said in November last year when Portsmouth was closed in favour of the Govan and Scotstoun yards on the Clyde.
He added: “I think there’s something there that people in Scotland need to think about very carefully.”
Then in August his successor Michael Fallon also confirmed the contracts were heading to the Clyde unless there was a Yes vote while announcing a £348 million contract for the Clyde.
He said: “UK warships are only built in UK shipyards.”
Mr Fallon went on: “This multi-million pound contract shows our commitment to investing in new ships for the Royal Navy and maintaining in the UK the expertise needed to build the warships of the future. It will benefit the dedicated workers of the Clyde, their families and the local economy in Glasgow.”
“This sort of investment by the UK Government is vital for the sustainment of shipbuilding in the city and the hundreds of specialist manufacturing and engineering roles that play an important role in providing war fighting capability for the Royal Navy.”
But reacting to Admiral Zabellas comments, Mr Robertson said: “This puts the lie to yet another Project Fear scare story rolled out during the referendum. Time after time we were told by the No campaign that warships could only be built in the UK.The best place to build these frigates is on the Clyde and everybody knows that.
“It would be a serious breach of trust if this is now being reconsidered - Scotland needs and deserves this work.”
No decision
A spokeswoman for the MoD told The Scotsman that no decision has been made yet on the frigate contract and confirmed that the First Sea Lord had reflected the MoD’s current position.
However in an effort to provide reassurance, she said: “Other than during the World Wars, since the start of the twentieth century, all the UK’s complex warships have been designed and built within the UK for reasons of national security. We do not anticipate any change to this policy in respect of the Type 26 Global Combat Ship.”
Jim Moohan from the GMB and a senior figure in the Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions described the comments by the First Sea Lord as “ludicrous” and said he “does not understand what he is talking about.”
Hew pointed out that the shipbuilding industry had been through a decade of restructuring in the UK, including closing the yard in Portsmouth, which he said “has made us extremely competitive.”
He went on: “I very much doubt that the MoD could find better value for money or a higher stand of quality elsewhere in the world.”
But he also said that the frigate contract was essential for the future of the industry in Scotland and the whole UK.
He said: “We are on the cusp of breaking into a world market for warships with this contract because we will be world leaders in the field. It just requires a bit of common sense to take us forward.”
The contract, thought to be worth £4 billion, would be to build 13 new type 26 frigates, the next generation of warship for the UK to replace the type 23 frigates which are going out of service.
The MoD and BAE Systems are currently negotiating the terms of the contract but are reportedly in deadlock over the cost of the project and last month procurement defence minister Philip Dunne refused to put a date on the signing of a contract despite ministers previously saying it would be completed by the end of this year.
It is understood that the MoD is considering the FREMM frigate currently being built by France and Italy as an alternative.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
If you were Catalans, you would have known better than to trust the promises of the central government! 
So what, the UK is just supposed to forget that 44.7% of Scots essentially spat on the Union by voting for independence? Hate to say it, but the Scots probably shouldn't expect too much in the way of friendly treatment or legislation anytime soon as a result of this little stunt. This vote probably blew any chance of getting those oil revenues devolved to Scotland as well.
It was a stupid promise to make, and my bet would be that Cameron et al put some kind of small print on it. If you're going to deal with a company, you need the right to pull your business otherwise you lose all leverage over them.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
I just had a déjà vu. I literally just had the impression that both your posts (Commodore's specially strikes me) had already been posted some time ago in this very same thread. But it's clearly not the case because I don't see my post in this vision of the past.
Ah, so the Scots should be punished? You sound like Edward Longshanks.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
I think he was imagining General Sherman. A lot of Americans seem to get like that, when they hear about a secessionist movement, go all foamy and start calling divine retribution down on Johnny Reb. Kinda self-obsessed outlook, if you ask me.
GinandTonic
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Sound and fury signifying nothing. The frigs will be built on the Clyde. The gov wants to make it clear they haven't written a blank cheque. If not the Clyde then Portsmouth is the front of the que. Since if anywhere really was buggered without a by-your-leave in this whole thing its Portsmouth. Outsourcing to Stockholm is never going to happen.
But if the Scots want to make a case as to how they have been shafted worse than Portsmouth l'ld love to hear it.
But if the Scots want to make a case as to how they have been shafted worse than Portsmouth l'ld love to hear it.
Not punished, but can you really blame the government in London for not wanting to bend over backwards to help a region where a significant portion of the population has expressed, at the very least, a strong dislike for that government?
Let's assume Scotland did vote for independence; why should the UK then have any obligation to ensure the success of the new Scottish nation? Why should they do anything to support and assist a people that would have basically given them a collective middle finger?
As it stands, Scotland remained a part of the UK, but only just barely. So I wouldn't be surprised if the government in London now views the Scottish as a hostile population and will now probably take steps to ensure Scotland stays by making them so dependent on the UK that voting for independence would end up being a total disaster for the Scottish people.
jackelgull
An aberration of nature
Yes, and thus stifling the most powerful weapon Scotland has against any abuses its government may perpetrate. Now Scotland can't be like we're unhappy with the government as it is, independence and expect the UK to make promises to redress their grievances, now the UK will just call their bluff and the Scots will have to suck any issues they have with the current government and pray that a better one less harmful to Scotland is elected.
Phrossack
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It is true, you caught us.
We Americans all hate freedom and turn into rabid animals at the mere mention of secession, which is hypocritical because of something the American government did twenty years ago.
We're evil to the core.
We Americans all hate freedom and turn into rabid animals at the mere mention of secession, which is hypocritical because of something the American government did twenty years ago.
We're evil to the core.
ParkCungHee
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God, if this was acceptable behavior for a government, every single U.S. election would require half the country to be punished.
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