[Religion and Revolution]: Mod Development

[Androrc the Orc]

Hi guys,

what do you think about adding a further small SpecialBuilding "Mill" with 2 Levels of Buildings ?

Windmill (Level 1)
-> no Profession involved
-> +1 Food to City
-> requires Villagehall

Watermill (Level 2, replaces Windmill)
-> no Profession involved
-> +2 Food to City
-> requires Windmill
-> requires Townhall
-> requires River

Feedback ?

While having a mill building is interesting, I don't think it is a very good idea for the mill to simply give food to the city (as it doesn't make much sense for mills to create food out of thin air). I suppose a modifier to food production would be better.

 

[raystuttgart]

I suppose a modifier to food production would be better.

Would also be ok for me.
Although food in our mod is also created from Fish, Hunting and Butchering Livestock.

Edit:
I think the +1 / +2 Food Bonus is less contradictory for Mills than increasing food production on Fishing, Hunting and Butchering.
It would also guarantee, that the Buildings are only a small addition and don't get too overpowered.
So I would rather stay with that.

 

[Schmiddie]

This is a nice idea, but do we find good graphics for the mills?

Shall the mills be a cits building? Do we have space enough for one more building in the city screen?

 

[raystuttgart]

This is a nice idea, but do we find good graphics for the mills?

I think I have seen graphics for improvements, which we could use.
And maybe we will also find normal building graphics from Civ4.

Shall the mills be a cits building ?

Yes.

Do we have space enough for one more building in the city screen ?

Yes.
(As long as we don't give the mills working slots, it is no problem.)

 

[Robert Surcouf]

I like the idea of Windmill and Watermill Buildings

Hi Will_Tell. How are you?
I like the Windmills and Watermills... However, I would rather have them as improvements (build by Pioneers). What do you think ?

 

[Shoobs]

How using Granary instead if mill?

 

[raystuttgart]

How using Granary instead if mill?

I would rather have the mills.

However, I would rather have them as improvements (build by Pioneers).
What do you think ?

Doing what ?

What use would they have, that other improvements don't already have ?
Or do you want to do massive coding for them ?
How would you avoid problems with AI balancing of that improvement ?

Introducing a new Building as I suggested is simple and almost without risk.
Introducing a new Improvement can really mess up the mod if done carelessly.

 

[drwcody]

Splendid idea. And I approve how the bonus is humble and not broken (+1 / +2 )
Thats how it should be with a building like that ImO. Keep up the good ideas. And also.... MERRY XMAS TO YOU AS WELL CIV FANS!@!!

 

[drwcody]

However, afting reading Raystutts reply, he makes good sense.

What use would they have, that other improvements don't already have ?
Or do you want to do massive coding for them ?
How would you avoid problems with AI balancing of that improvement ?

Raystutt has MANY hours into Col modding and is one of the authorities on the subject. He is the man to discuss it with if you wish to pursue further.

Keep up the ideas though!

 

[Robert Surcouf]

OK! I've added the amount of Cannons in the Revolution Advisor Screen as planned !
(See attachments below).
Is that OK?

About Mills as improvements. In my opinion some terrains or combination of terrains/features are let's say difficult to exploit. Marsh/Hills, Tundra/Hills, Deserts, Desert/Hill. On those terrains (maybe I've forgotten some), you can easily boost your ore production (building a mine on a hill), but it is sometimes quite impossible to get food, if I'm correct.
So yes, my idea was to add food (quite logical!) instead of ore on these plots.
I must agree Ray things are quite balanced now. However there are still plots where you can't build improvements or just one...
Anyway that was the idea.

 

[Willi_Tell]

OK! I've added the amount of Cannons in the Revolution Advisor Screen as planned !
(See attachments below).
Is that OK?

no, it's not just OK - it's superb!

Merci beaucoup, Monsieur Surcouf!

 

[raystuttgart]

OK! I've added the amount of Cannons in the Revolution Advisor Screen as planned !
(See attachments below).
Is that OK?

Great.

 

[Schmiddie]

Many thanks to Willi_Tell who has improved the fields for the plantation 1 and 2 - They are now different to the fields of Farm and Farm 2!

I have implemented them and they will be part of 1.3.

 

[raystuttgart]

I have implemented them and they will be part of 1.3.

Sounds great.

 

[Schmiddie]

Hi guys,


Windmill (Level 1)
Watermill (Level 2, replaces Windmill)


Feedback ?

Uploaded to current SVN.

 

[raystuttgart]

Uploaded to current SVN.

Great.
I will check and implement.

 

[raystuttgart]

Hi guys,

here some first screenshots of Windmill and Watermill.
(It is not uploaded yet, because I still have to do a few things to finalize, which I will do tomorrow.)

@Schmiddie:
Where are the graphics from ?
Are they both originally improvements from Civ4 ?

 

[frontiersman]

raystuttgart outlined the watermill as follows in post #1739:

Watermill (Level 2, replaces Windmill)
-> no Profession involved
-> +2 Food to City
-> requires Windmill
-> requires Townhall
-> requires River

Ray, in your graphic for watermill in post #1757 above, you don't list the requirement for a river. Is this something you will be adding?

 

[raystuttgart]

Ray, in your graphic for watermill in post #1757 above, you don't list the requirement for a river. Is this something you will be adding ?

The requirement is actually already there.
It is simply not displayed yet in Colopedia.
But I will add that.

 

[Schmiddie]

Yes, they are both from Civ4, but I changed them a little bit (model is original, painting is new).