Religous Debate: Does anyone know what the first commandment is?

[Kayak]

He did because it was common to hold slaves. He doesn't anymore.

What you are doing is looking at the words literally!
God can change his mind.

I suppose he could. But where does it say he did?

EDIT: on slavery I mean.

 

[Red Door]

Sure, God could do that if he wanted. He just hasn't, ..... yet.

 

[MobBoss]

Preachers operate by reading the bible to their followers because their followers often cannot or will not read it on their own.

VERY incorrect. The word is the bread of life and each and every christian is encouraged to read it daily. This is your ignorance showing.

In the past, the majority was illiterate so they couldn't read it. When people learned how to read, they learned just how horribly written the Bible is (not necessarily the contents, but the style) or just didn't care and continued to let the preacher read for them. Regardless, the bolded section is often not mentioned when the commandments are referred to.

You are joking right?

Common Christian copout #639 - Scripture X says something different than scripture Y, but I like X more so X trumps Y. Sure, it doesn't say that it means an automatic go to hell, but the very basic point still stands: God is punishing people for other's actions, which is a very immoral act.

By your standards maybe. But who are you to judge what God does? You are nothing compared to him and you are unable to comprehend the reasons he does things. FYI, if a son continues in his fathers evil ways, and doesnt repent, guess what, he is probably being punished for his own sin as well. The wages of sin is death.

And there is precedent for this, too. God cursed Man to work the fields instead of having things provided for him and God cursed Woman to bleed and put up with child birth. Because of what Adam and Eve did. Oh, and he also punished snakes and made them eat dirt. Either the snake really wasn't the devil, or God just likes punishing a victim of possession, but that's yet another non-sequiter.

Are you a parent? You have any idea how your kids turn out if you dont punish them? Anyway, if you are an athiest, I am sure you dont think God punsihes you at all, so whats your point?

So, how about getting back to the topic of the commandment, or would you rather try and make me look foolish and make ad hominen attacks?

Your intolerance, ignorance and hated are doing a fine job of making you look foolish.

 

[Red Door]

I suppose he could. But where does it say he did?

EDIT: on slavery I mean.

He never literally says it. But, a Christian could have faith that he did. My belief that is that he did say that. But, he could not have said that for all I know.

 

[ironduck]

Sure, there are Christians that go to church every Sunday. It's a lot less common, though, than in America. Yes, I agree that Christians in Europe are a lot more conservative than they are in America.

What?? I just said that christians in Europe are less conservative than christians in America! Not more!

 

[Kayak]

He never literally says it. But, a Christian could have faith that he did. My belief that is that he did say that. But, he could not have said that for all I know.

So one christian could have faith that the Commandments were repealed, say, and that would be ok?

 

[Red Door]

I meant less, let me edit that.

 

[Red Door]

So one christian could have faith that the Commandments were repealed, say, and that would be ok?

Sure, because, again, Christians do not live by The Law of Moses, which the Ten Commandments are part of. This Christian probably wouldn't go to Heaven though.

 

[ironduck]

He did because it was common to hold slaves. He doesn't anymore.

So even though we agree that holding slaves is a bad thing, god still approved of it because it was common?

What you are doing is looking at the words literally!
God can change his mind.

Holy smokes. How does that rhyme with being omniscient?

 

[Japanrocks12]

The Ten Commandments are far from universal moral law, but rather are more of a legal code. The Hebrew Ten Commandments represent the most punishable of offences at the time of the Exodus. The Catholic Ten Commandments represent the greatest taboos of the time in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Red Door]

So even though we agree that holding slaves is a bad thing, god still approved of it because it was common?



Holy smokes. How does that rhyme with being omniscient?

I don't know. I'm not God. God can change his mind.

 

[Red Door]

The Ten Commandments are far from universal moral law, but rather are more of a legal code. The Hebrew Ten Commandments represent the most punishable of offences at the time of the Exodus. The Catholic Ten Commandments represent the greatest taboos of the time in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church.

There is no such thing as the Catholic Ten Commandments.

 

[Kayak]

Sure, because, again, Christians do not live by The Law of Moses, which the Ten Commandments are part of. This Christian probably wouldn't go to Heaven though.

At this point, as much as I regret it, I've got to introduce the "how do you know" response. The whole NT could have been reversed with that logic too, and you would have to take that on faith.

 

[ironduck]

I don't know. I'm not God. God can change his mind.

Has he, to your knowledge, changed his mind before? Regarding slavery, for instance? Or any of the many other laws of god in the old testament?

 

[Japanrocks12]

There is no such thing as the Catholic Ten Commandments.

Yes there is. Both the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church have accepted different versions of the Ten Commandments.

 

[ironduck]

The Ten Commandments are far from universal moral law, but rather are more of a legal code. The Hebrew Ten Commandments represent the most punishable of offences at the time of the Exodus.

It appears there were other things that could get you killed instantly than just the ten commandments in Exodus law..

 

[Japanrocks12]

It appears there were other things that could get you killed instantly than just the ten commandments in Exodus law..

I never said anything about it being the only legal code. But it is, especially if you look at it within the context of the Bible.

 

[Red Door]

You dont know, but that person would've rejected God by breaking one of about 7 of the commandments.
The commandments which Christians usually follow:
1.I am thy Lord
2.Name of Lord in Vain
4.Honor thy mother and father.
5.Thou shall not kill.
6.Thou shall not steal.
7.False Witness.
8 and 9.Coveting
So pretty much everything but Keep Sabbath Holy is kept by the Christians.

 

[Red Door]

Yes there is. Both the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church have accepted different versions of the Ten Commandments.

They have the Canon Laws, but there are 200 of those.

 

[MobBoss]

Has he, to your knowledge, changed his mind before? Regarding slavery, for instance? Or any of the many other laws of god in the old testament?

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. But his mind can be changed. Example: If they had actually been able to find a few more "good" people in Sodom, the city wouldnt have been destroyed. But, unfortunately, there werent any.