RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[gilgames]

Lithuania:

Like gambling on a russian roulette!!! I mean it. Thus I have to tell you: it was a love at first sigth. No usual religion constraint but own old gods, a small nation how bear to dream big (hugh) and almost did it. You start in the cesspit of east. Surrounded by a dead, a strong and a rising power.
UHV: 1 and 2, Let's play this russian roulette: Settle your capital, preferably Kaunas on iron, and the rest, all conquered city build pagan shrine, then culture or vaivadija, nothing else. The only exception is Kaunas, who build infiite bajoras. take the inital army promote the to city attack, and bo berserk. From Novgorod to south...take as many city you can, before the russian does! skip only smolenks it will flip. when the plague and barbs ar gone, aim for the culture uhv. if got that, build defense everywhere beside basic economy. 3. The uhv refers to the civ, but it means only the region to take!!! however if you met the 2. uhv you got it all, an be proud!!!
UP: a must have, UU: not so goodm but dont have else, UB: awesomely good!!
This civ will provide you a nerve-racking and exiting challange. I rate it 10/10

 

[gilgames]

Austria: just tried, not played serously nad looked very easy to me...but will do so later.

Ottomans:

I am strong, I am awesome, but how fast? Another time racer civ....
Issue: My historical knowledge may trick me, but i fell so, that the firt too goal was mixed up in RL. and they first took asia minor and than the eu part.... and the date: 1453 when ottomans captured Contantinapol !!! not the whole balkan!
UHV: After the flip, build barack+stable and set them to infinte knights... while taking Istambul! After it focus ALL ur power to north in europe and neglect the east side, Byzantz iant a threat at all
Be very very quick about ur business, oh and burn Ragusa to have same place for the bosnian city (i know is very historcal to take it, but its so small, na place even for a half one). If you managed this in time a dozen of knight will earse the rest of east. So you got a golden age? dont care! just focus on the third one!!! Hungary may give you an open border too!! (cant belive) 'couse you gonna be so powerfull. around 1550 i had 80+ stabiliy But austria, amass all the knight you can and prepare to an onslaught!! in additon the idiot AI may build an additional city in that province!. You aint depends on techs, stability not an issue, it must work on monarch too..
UP: its a crap (sry), UU: Great stuff, useable!, UB: same as UP
Summary is power vs time, good challange, i rate them 9/10

 

[gilgames]

Muscovites:

Pretty the same as Ottomans, just a bit less time pushed. I'm annoyed, that the initail capital is not moscow, but i know this way is it historical (could you put on that spot a town?)
Endless hunger, Endless land. I won with them back in 1.0, since then I saw that the 20% has increased (not in munbers), but still not a problem, just a few more settlers...
UHV: 1, there is nothing else to do, but kick the mongols out of your land, cant be a real issue. 2, see as above, do what you have to...grab all land you see from baltic to Serkel. 3, Your trivial choise is Istambul. DoW on ottomans or whoever is in ur way and keep him under pressure. During that time: force 2 cities to build knights and 1 closer to build bombards. Unite them under the walls of Istambul and open fire. Not big story.
UP: awsomely usefull (stability 50-80), UU: not bad, UB: built them for stab. only...
Summary suggest me: if you like organize a real emipre its your choise. I rate them 6/10

 

[gilgames]

Sweeden:

I am a lion? indeed, I am a LION. I have doubt its capability to complete the uhvs, but it was easy.
The most extrem surprise was the productivity: an avarage city built university in 3 turns!
UHV: 1, take ur inital army under the walls of Tonsberg, and take it. the rest shuold done in time, but less problematic. If done, organise your state, build guildhalls and soldattorps, improve land...ect. Expand carfully till 1700. 2, should not be an issue. 3. 2 galleon can carry all troop you recruit to the mainland. take all the costal cities and prepare several settlers in case of emergency and trade for stone! its important. The onyl thing will stop you is stability!! build any stability you can in conquered cities!!!
UP: its ok, UU: dissapointed me, usually with 70-80-90% to win, and died! omg, UB: its gorgeous
Summary shows, sweeden is a production powerhouse, insane number of units per turn! with moiderate challange level. I rate them 7/10.

Never tried Netherlands: but it doesnt seems very difficult....

Thank for your attentions, thats it for now. I told everything what i wanted from now on, I wont spam the topic this way.

 

[merijn_v1]

We really appreciate your feedback. But could you please combine some posts next time. I lost the overview.

 

[gilgames]

As I told it, there wil be no next time. If i post something again, it will be a regular one!! and I thought if i post the civs separatly, it helps to overview them. So im sad it doesnt worked well

 

[AbsintheRed]

As I told it, there wil beno next time. If i post something again, it will be a regular one!! and I thought if i post the civs separatly, it helps to overview them. So im sad it doesnt worked well

no problem at all!

 

[CrossRFC]

As I told it, there wil beno next time. If i post something again, it will be a regular one!! and I thought if i post the civs separatly, it helps to overview them. So im sad it doesnt worked well

Here's a free formatting tip that will convey the style you were going for with separate posts: put each paragraph in a spoiler tag, in one post. That way it doesn't take as much space because you can open and close spoiler tags individually.

 

[gilgames]

That might work, but, still u can be lost in textwall and harder to refer to a qoute' qoute, than a single post! imo
Btw I am a bit dissapointed, because all of you talk about how I posted these, and not about what I posted

ui: Absint fel tudnánk venni a kapcsolatot valahogy? lenne pár kérdésem, de azokból néhány off topic

 

[DC123456789]

The tendency for barbarians to raze cities really needs to be toned down. Anatolia is basically empty after the Seljuks.

 

[gilgames]

The tendency for barbarians to raze cities really needs to be toned down. Anatolia is basically empty after the Seljuks.

Confirmed! I played several start game on monarch, and both of us were right Barbs appeared in my games and made some trouble, in anatolia, they razed 2 cities out of 4 in 200 years. But I was right too, once you are up and running, things are pretty the same, only slower research (which is compensated against viceroy). However I'm dissapointed and realized, why I choosed viceroy. On monarach the fun is lost! 'caouse you have to decide every step and move precisly. Although I'll make some further tests too.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

The Seljuks are nothing compared to the Timurids (Keshiks). Keshiks have no hard counter, and the only soft counter is highly-promoted Knights.

In my latest Ottoman game, Austria reached its full potential because Germany and Poland both collapsed. Austria annexed Swabia, Silesia, Upper Hungary, Lesser Poland, and most of Brandenburg by 1450. From the German cities they control they get access to Teutonic Knights. They Vassalized Hungary after taking 3 Hungarian cities in the north but not before I vultured 2 Hungarian cities in the south. Austria's excellent modifiers really kick in after they get more than a few cities. They are able to quickly come up with SoDs after SoDs while maintaining an excellent tech rate. The siege of Vienna is going to be really fun.

 

[dmitrytrue]

Does castles builded by krak de Chevaliers boost stability? I had 2 almost similar games as France, one with krak and another one without. So, another game without krak much more stable, I control 55% of map. With Krak i never was able to control more than 35-40%. I always thought Krak don't work. Just decided to find out, the result on screenshot. (svn 1060) Btw, more than 1.000.000 gold in treasury ;D

 

[gilgames]

I've encountered a bug a while ago, and now reappeared! If you play Orthodox country, there is a problem on the diplo screen! when I talk to another rthodox AI, it says -2: We hate you due to your religion! or something like this. And they do so, also. any idea about this?

 

[DC123456789]

Did you build the Round Church? That causes a diplomatic penalty with others of the same religion. At least I think it does.

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Did you build the Round Church? That causes a diplomatic penalty with others of the same religion. At least I think it does.

I wanna play as the Papal States and build the Round Church.

 

[gilgames]

Well I used to built it, but not allways

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

France
Beginning is annoying, so many barbarians. Lots of concentration needed.
Happiness and Unhealthiness abundant
Buy a mercenary and take over Bordeoux, and that one Southern French town
Get Armored Lancers and massacre Burgundy, take them over
England spawns, refuse flip. Nothing happens, possibly a bug
Send lancers over Channel and vassalize England
Send lancers into Iberia and save Spain from Cordoba. Spain peace vassals.
I lead Crusades. I vassalize Arabia.
Send Lancers and vassalize Portugal
Take over Genoa with knights at this point
All the while, building almost every single world wonder and being tech leader.
After Notre Dame, happiness is no longer a problem.
All the vassals make unhealthiness not a problem either
Germany is being slaughtered by Poland. Take out Germany.
Vikings declare war, who cares?
Take over Venice before they beat you to a wonder.
Vassalize Hungary really easily as the mongols attack them from the other side.
Give Hungary their cities back to stabilize them.
Austria declares war on us. They begin to take over Hungary, but I am quick --
I take over Swabia and Wien, and they surrender.
Take over and vassalize Bulgaria.
Spain declares independance and declares war. I don't care.
Vassalize Byzantium.
Vassalize Ottomans
Get bored with steamrolling over Europe

 

[dmitrytrue]

France
Vassalize...
Vassalize...
Vassalize...
Get bored with steamrolling over Europe

I would be surprised, if someone wouldn't get bored of such a "rich", full of vassalizing game. Every player, who have at least a tiny expirience can vassalize everything by France or Germany or Spain or Norway, etc. By any civ that starts early enough. Everyone can, vassalizing is for noobs ;D
Thats why, for example I made a challenge to myself, to maintain stability on decent level, capture all cities and avoid collapse. I don't wait, that someone going to do the same, but everyone could come up with his own challenge, if he like this mod.
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But I hope for another balance in future. In one of my games ~ in 1830 year, overexpanded swedes suddenly declared war on me, they had such a huge stack of units, that easily took one of my cities with defenders, like ~15 line infantry, +20 highlevelled curassiers and 10 field artillery, that I used to bombard their stack. And they easely took a city. Near another city ~15 my line infantry in woods+ few field artillery with great difficulty restrained countless swedes. And it is not surprising, one hussar costs only 54 hammers for them, as i remember.
I just didn't expect of this, and long ago stopped to produce military, but anyway, it was awesome, that is was a war, not boring at all, I would like such an active and full of events wars in middle ages.

 

[gilgames]

it was awesome, that is was a war, not boring at all, I would like such an active and full of events wars in middle ages.

Well you got some point! It has really small chance to find yourself in a 30years war, like in ~1640. there is no way to compete with 2-3-4-5 other strong civ at that point, because you already won an uhv or eliminated the rest. If you play a western civ do not meet with the russians (if they do something) nor ottomans (to far) and vica versa.