civmademepoor
Chieftain
Where might one find this pretty atlas?
I will start coding some tome tomorrow, so people can start commenting.
One note: Arabia starts with 10 Ghazi and according to you it is OK, while Bulgaria starting with 10 Konniks is too much
Ghazi is currently second level horse unit, strength of 8. 10 of those can simply mow over Byzantium much more than 10 Konniks (strength 6). I am not sure if Arabia needs more than 3 of those, or maybe even none, just 4 horse archers.
Something else to consider in suggesting starting units is the unique nature of the Cordoba start. Historically, it began in 711 with the landing of Tarik's army of Arabs and Berbers from Tangier. I think we decided a long time ago that they should start in both places. One way would be to start them as they are now, flipping Tangier when they found Cordoba, which seems backward to me.
My idea is for them to start with Tangier (swordsman, archer, missionary, worker, 1 Berber cavalry). With a small army of Berber cavalry(4), 2 missionaries, 1 galley on the south coast. On turn 2 an independent Cordoba and Seville flips to them with Cordoba becoming the capitol (1 archer, 1 swordsman, 1 worker in each). The 4 Berbers would then have the choice of conquering either an independent Valencia or Toledo. Spain would then have to start strong enough to prevent being taken over too quickly (ie. 2 settlers, 2 missionaries, 2 swordsmen, 4 archers). To me this would be the best way to simulate history without either side being being too overpowered.
Something like in the screenshots. What does everyone think?
I think it's a cool idea, personally. More historically accurate - a little bit more interesting than a standard start.
A few concerns: From what I've heard, coding the independent civs is pretty time-consuming though so it might have to wait. From a gameplay standpoint, I have a few questions about balance. Cordoba already tends to score better than Spain - letting them start with three cities in comparison to Spain's two would probably make that imbalance even worse. Also that would mean the Cordoban capital would be in Africa, which might not fit the civ's expansion. Finally, does that affect any of Cordoba's current UHV requirements?
We can make indep cities in NA and let them flip, that is actually easy. We will do that when we get a list of independents (and code it).
It would be better if you make a list:
City name, (x,y) coordinates (get those from excel), year of appearance. i.e.
Belgrade, (40,80), 900 (turn 100). I made the coordinates and year up, but you see the point. It would be the easiest to code later.
BTW I've just been trying for a UHV victory as Bulgaria. I got the monasteries and cathedrals very early and thought I had control of all the required area incl. Macedonia and Greece before taking Constantinople. Took me ages to find the name Misia in Wiki as apparently there isn't a province by that name anymore. Only on ancient maps. It looks like it's the area south and west of the Danube. Is that right?
And does control count if your vassal has a city on the border? Anyway, I conquered Constantinople just before 1400AD but in 1404 it was still saying "Not Yet" for that condition. It's not saying I've failed to do it. Is it saying its not 1400 yet? I'm posting an earlier auto-save and a screenshot. Maybe you can figure it out.
OK. I've started putting them on an excel map for now. I'll send you a list when I'm finished. One question though. Wasn't there some problem a while back about the actual location being 1 tile different from the excel location due to counting 0 as 1 or something? I'm using the excel map from the wiki.