RFC South and South East Asia

[Civciv5]

Files get rated when they're used; I don't know if your contributions meet the community's demand (I like your LHs but my mod isn't able to include them so I can't judge them). Give it time, from what I've figured you mainly covered less known subjects so it's not surprising that only a few people tested them.

Blackmailing people to rate your files won't get you honest replies anyway - do you really want the opinion of people whom you forced to give it?

On the wasting time aspect: you said nobody contributed yet. That's plain wrong. "Only posting in this thread" IS already a huge contribution, if only moral, and you should be grateful for it (I as a modder myself am quite content with this kind of "reward"). Others, like BenZL, have offered their direct support. What else do you want?
If people start giving up on continuing this it's because you're not reliable. Why invest time and involvement into a mod whose author could just stop the other day because he desires new models or ratings?

Why does your mod is "not able" to include them?
Kfufu was a great Egyptian pharaoh.Maybe Seondeok is too close with Wang Kon at time dates.
Same for Samaratungga,but he was the greatest leader of Srivijaya,not Dharmasetu.
Setthathirat can't be used because there is no Laos.
And Le Thanh Tong not,because there is no Vietnam.
Are they less known subjects?
They are just as famous as the avarage leaderhead.
And see this LH?
It was rated within two days,because SiabotLieh has many "followers" and I haven't one.
I downloaded your mod "Dawn of Civilization".
It's awesome!
But why do you keep using this terrible LH,when you can use this far better LH or this one.
Unless you're a more for Amra and not Seasnake or cybrxkhan.
I don't know why but I don't like that LH,the background is unpleasant and the LH is weird looking.
But I changed switched LH's in the game wich I prefer.
Maybe I should try uploading my mod somewhere,so people can "look" and "help".

 

[spaceman98]

Never mind

 

[Civciv5]

Never mind

What "never mind"?
Not never mind.

 

[Leoreth]

I downloaded your mod "Dawn of Civilization".
It's awesome!

Thanks.

Why does your mod is "not able" to include them?
Kfufu was a great Egyptian pharaoh.

I have two Egyptian rulers for the BC period, and would like each to represent distinct eras (Ramesses for the Old to New Kingdom and Cleopatra for Ptolemaic Egypt). Another leader would lead to changes that are too fast and you won't be able to see either often. I also needed the "slots" for later leaders representing medieval and modern Egypt.

Same for Samaratungga,but he was the greatest leader of Srivijaya,not Dharmasetu.

That's debatable.

Maybe Seondeok is too close with Wang Kon at time dates.
Setthathirat can't be used because there is no Laos.
And Le Thanh Tong not,because there is no Vietnam.
Are they less known subjects?
They are just as famous as the avarage leaderhead.

Basically yes. See, if someone makes a LH of a well known European leader people can associate more with them than with Asian ones, simply because of their knowledge.

And see this LH?
It was rated within two days,because SiabotLieh has many "followers" and I haven't one.

Yes, and he gathered it by a long time of work and convincing people by its quality alone, not forcing them to follow him.

But why do you keep using this terrible LH,when you can use this far better LH or this one.

I'm aware of both of these, but my current one comes closest to how I picture Naresuan.

Unless you're a more for Amra and not Seasnake or cybrxkhan.

This is where you're missing the point.

 

[Civciv5]

Dharmasetu was not a conqueror nor a great builder.
Samaratungga was a conquered and a great builder,he built Borobudur.
Maybe I can try making some "Naresuan" leaderhead?
Or maybe I should delete all my files and quit the modding community?
As my files will probably never be rated and I can't rate them myself.

 

[Leoreth]

Let's get that straight: you started modding to get someone's ratings?

 

[Linkman226]

Lost cause is lost. But I'll give it one last shot:

You enter modding because you want to mod, i.e., you want to make changes to the game that you enjoy. It is ultimately for your edification, and secondarily it can become the pleasure of others as well. But you make a mod because you would like to play that mod, NOT because you want to gain fame, prestige, and ratings.

 

[Civciv5]

I just don't want to wait a year until they are rated.
Nobody appreciates my work.

 

[Tigranes]

Nobody appreciates my work.

I have an urge to ask you -- how old are you? All your files are rated now. A+ is what you get. I like your work, I like Belgium, I like Belgian chocolate.

 

[Civciv5]

I have an urge to ask you -- how old are you? All your files are rated now. A+ is what you get. I like your work, I like Belgium, I like Belgian chocolate.

Thanks for rating my files,but are they really 5 stars?
Sorry,but I don't want to tell my age.

 

[Leoreth]

Does it matter? You only wanted your files rated, never said how high

 

[Civciv5]

Does it matter? You only wanted your files rated, never said how high

No,I'm happy that they are rated.
I'm continuing adding civilizations,wonders...

 

[Linkman226]

So I just looked up your download counts:

78
38
46
13
11
11
20

217 in total. Not shabby. Not shabby at all.

So I don't see what the complaints are all about. Never mind the rating, the download count speaks for itself.

And honestly, I would be as satisfied with 0 downloads as 300,000 if I knew that I had made something of good quality. Unless you're somehow insecure about the quality of your work (you shouldn't be, it's quite good) I don't see what's the point of this ratings-mongering.

 

[spaceman98]

Downloads are a far more important than ratings and far more meaningful.

 

[Civciv5]

I think that The_J will close this thread because I use "illegal music",if that happens everything is lost.
I know there are many people who use "illegal music".

 

[Tigranes]

Don't trouble the trouble, until the trouble troubles you No modder is expecting to contact composers. Also, do you know how to replay on your private messages?

 

[BenZL43]

Uh...
Tell me how could you conclude Samaratungga is the greatest ruler of Sriwijaya? --"

Eventhough Samaratungga is the one who built Borobudur and Prambanan (together with Rakai Pikatan), there is no good source than imply he is actually a ruler. Even if he was a real king, under his reign, Jayavarman the governor at Khmer, break free and form the Khmer Empire.

Jayavarman can't form Khmer Empire if Samaratungga is powerful and his empire is stable.

Historian still trying to identify him with Rakryan i Garung, which is a Medang 5th ruler.

However, the ongoing debate seems to favor his son, Balaputradewa (who bring Srivijaya to her golden age), or to Dharmasetu (who incorporated many teritorries from Ishtmus of Kra and glorify it; yet Dharmasetu's parent is from Srivijaya and from Sunda. He then control Kra, Sumatra, Sunda and Java).

And actually, Dharmasetu is Balaputradwa's grandfather. All three generation of Dharmasetu, Samaratungga and Balaputradewa is the most time where Srivijaya proper together with Syailendras.

Samaratungga can be considered Srivijaya because he also rule Sumatra based on his marriage with Dewi Tara (Srivijayan princess) that born Balaputradewa..
but culturally and hereditary, Samartungga is more to Mataram Kuno (eng : Medang) (Java) than to Srivijaya (Sumatra).

 

[BenZL43]

My thought on Ramkhamhaeng.

I'm Southeast Asian myself, and some of my relatives are Thais.
None beside the one Leo use is really close to what I've seen the real-life Thais are, especially the latter one.

Uh. my English is really bad right now, sorry.

 

[Civciv5]

Uh...
Tell me how could you conclude Samaratungga is the greatest ruler of Sriwijaya? --"

Eventhough Samaratungga is the one who built Borobudur and Prambanan (together with Rakai Pikatan), there is no good source than imply he is actually a ruler. Even if he was a real king, under his reign, Jayavarman the governor at Khmer, break free and form the Khmer Empire.

Jayavarman can't form Khmer Empire if Samaratungga is powerful and his empire is stable.

Historian still trying to identify him with Rakryan i Garung, which is a Medang 5th ruler.

However, the ongoing debate seems to favor his son, Balaputradewa (who bring Srivijaya to her golden age), or to Dharmasetu (who incorporated many teritorries from Ishtmus of Kra and glorify it; yet Dharmasetu's parent is from Srivijaya and from Sunda. He then control Kra, Sumatra, Sunda and Java).

And actually, Dharmasetu is Balaputradwa's grandfather. All three generation of Dharmasetu, Samaratungga and Balaputradewa is the most time where Srivijaya proper together with Syailendras.

Samaratungga can be considered Srivijaya because he also rule Sumatra based on his marriage with Dewi Tara (Srivijayan princess) that born Balaputradewa..
but culturally and hereditary, Samartungga is more to Mataram Kuno (eng : Medang) (Java) than to Srivijaya (Sumatra).

Yes,but he was the ruler of Srivijaya and reigned over the empire at its zenith.
He conquered parts of Thailand and Cambodia.
I will not change the leader and I will use Sri Sanjaya as ruluer of the Kingdom of Medang.
And I already planned to use the Dharmasetu LH as Sanjaya,ruler of Medang.
Because there simply aren't enough leaderheads available and I'm making LH's special for this mod.

My thought on Ramkhamhaeng.

I'm Southeast Asian myself, and some of my relatives are Thais.
None beside the one Leo use is really close to what I've seen the real-life Thais are, especially the latter one.

Uh. my English is really bad right now, sorry.

Please do not tell that you want that I use Amra's terrible LH of "Ramkhamhaeng".
I will not use that LH in any of my mods,never.
In that case the answer is no.
And I already added Ramkhamhaeng with seasnake's one.

 

[BenZL43]

Samaratungga is Javanese.
He is a Medang king who coincidentally also ruled Srivijaya because of marriage!
And Srivijaya get into his Zenith because of Dharmasetu. Samaratungga isn't the one who conquer Southern Thailand (Langkasuka, Trambalinga, Pan Pan) or Khmer, but Dharmasetu did! Samaratungga even is the one that let Khmer go.

And I never say I recommend Ramkamhaeng for your mod.
I am trying to help Leo stand his ground ON your accusation.

Pretty fed up now. --"