RIAA strikes again - ISPs to start policing on their own

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Noooooo, these sods are doing it again. [pissed]

So now they've talked a lot of ISps into doing their dirty work for them… without us even having the right to judicial appeal. How long until they get to my country of residence? How long until they can just stop something from their end?
Spoiler :
RIAA chief: ISPs to start policing copyright by July 1

Comcast, Time Warner, and Verizon are among the ISPs preparing to implement a graduated response to piracy by July, says the music industry's chief lobbyist.

NEW YORK--The country's largest Internet service providers haven't given up on the idea of becoming copyright cops.

Last July, Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, Time Warner Cable and other bandwidth providers announced that they had agreed to adopt policies designed to discourage customers from illegally downloading music, movies and software. Since then, the ISPs have been very quiet about their antipiracy measures.

But during a panel discussion before a gathering of U.S. publishers here today, Cary Sherman, CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America, said most of the participating ISPs are on track to begin implementing the program by July 1.

Supporters say this could become the most effective antipiracy program ever. Since ISPs are the Internet's gatekeepers, the theory is that network providers are in the best position to fight illegal file sharing. CNET broke the news last June that the RIAA and counterparts at the trade group for the big film studios, had managed to get the deal through--with the help of the White House.

Sherman told attendees of the Association of American Publishers' annual meeting that planners had always said that setting up an antipiracy program like this could take a year. He told CNET following his panel that the process isn't as easy as turning on a switch.

"Each ISP has to develop their infrastructure for automating the system," Sherman said. They need this "for establishing the database so they can keep track of repeat infringers, so they know that this is the first notice or the third notice. Every ISP has to do it differently depending on the architecture of its particular network. Some are nearing completion and others are a little further from completion."

The program, commonly referred to as "graduated response," requires that ISPs send out one or two educational notices to those customers who are accused of downloading copyrighted content illegally. If the customer doesn't stop, the ISP is then asked to send out "confirmation notices" asking that they confirm they have received notice.

At that time, the accused customers will also be informed of the risks they incur if they don't stop pirating material. If the customer is flagged for pirating again, the ISP can then ratchet up the pressure. Participating ISPs can choose from a list of penalties, or what the RIAA calls "mitigation measures," which include throttling down the customer's connection speed and suspending Web access until the subscriber agrees to stop pirating.

The ISPs can waive the mitigation measure if they choose and not one of the service providers has agreed to permanently terminate service.

The partnership with the major bandwidth providers was years in the making and the deal pumped lots of confidence into the entertainment sector. After the White House and state and federal lawmakers showed support for the deal, leaders at the RIAA and Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) believed they had the momentum to get antipiracy legislation passed in Congress.

They were wrong of course. The Stop Online Piracy Act and Protect IP Act were run off the rails mostly by the tech sector. It will be interesting to see how the tech sector reacts once accused Internet pirates begin having their Web access suspended.
 
The last three words you wrote spell it all out.

"From their end". That's the thing. It's on their end, not yours. They can do with their end whatever they like, because it's theirs.
 
The last three words you wrote spell it all out.

"From their end". That's the thing. It's on their end, not yours. They can do with their end whatever they like, because it's theirs.

What? Do you really think that an ISP should be able to actively monitor your connections without a warrant?


@OP:
Everyone is just going to use Tribler and other untraceable peer to peer methods.

The music industry just pushes harder and harder and digs their own grave.

Semi related - http://www.slashgear.com/ps-vita-ad-funds-anonymous-as-atari-teenage-riot-donates-fee-06216984/



Also related:
http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=streetlight+manifesto
Over the years, record label Victory Records has worked up quite the... um.... reputation from artists it has signed. Let's just say that a number of them are less than pleased. Reader Aaron points us to the latest such example, where the band Streetlight Manifesto has put up a, well, manifesto, asking fans to boycott its albums, because of an ongoing dispute with the label, who it claims isn't passing along royalties owed:
We’re writing today to ask you to please boycott all Streetlight related items by not purchasing any of our records or merchandise from Victory’s website, any traditional CD stores, online third party retailers or any digital distribution service (iTunes, Amazon etc). Victory has a long-time reputation of pocketing all of the proceeds from a band’s music and merch, with shady accounting and generally bully-ish behavior. If you want to support Streetlight, our music and our ability to tour and continue to release music, please make all SM related purchases from our own webstore, The RISC Store (www.riscstore.com), or come out to a show and buy a shirt or cd from us directly. In regards to getting the music we make, you can buy directly from us, or, alternately, we’re sure you can find a way to get the tunes onto your computer that may not be, ahem, traditional… Speaking a Bit metaphorically, there is a Torrent of methods to accomplish this, and Google is your always loyal friend…

Record companies so crooked that artist are actively encouraging people to pirate their music.
 
What? Do you really think that an ISP should be able to actively monitor your connections without a warrant?
Just as much as you're entitled to install security cameras and monitor everybody who walks into your house.

A warrant is only required if an ISP intends to actually bring charges against somebody in court. And, according to the snippet quoted in the OP, that won't be happening; repeat pirates will simply get disconnected.
 
Meh I frankly prefer this solution to the heavy handed attempts to federally legislate the internet. My only question is how does the ISP know that what you are downloading is actually pirated material? That's the part I dont understand.
 
Traffic analysis is one way. Even if they can't see what you download, the fact that you're connected to a torrent site and downloading a 4.7 MB file is a good indication of what you're doing. Peeking through the records of the torrent web site to see what files you connected to (before the encryption was applied) would clinch it.
 
What keeps pirates form just renaming everything? At that point ISPs would literally have to download and test the files themselves to determine if a copyright is broken because plenty of independent artists distribute their material by download so just because a 4.7 MB file got downloaded doesnt mean piracy occurred.
 
What keeps pirates form just renaming everything? At that point ISPs would literally have to download and test the files themselves to determine if a copyright is broken because plenty of independent artists distribute their material by download so just because a 4.7 MB file got downloaded doesnt mean piracy occurred.

I do believe they will look at "you downloaded a file from ThePirateBay" and just go with the assumption "you are pirating!". Which, granted, is better than SOPA and PIPA, but still kinda bad. Acceptable, though.
 
For the pirate bay perhaps, but what about once you reach the sites like rapidshare which have plenty of legit downloads on them?
 
They would assume you are pirating. I'm just gonna avoid those sites...

Like I said, it's still pretty bad.
 
They will get some pretty horrific blow back if they start cutting people off for legal downloads. That at the end of the day would almost be worse than the proposed legislation.
 
For the pirate bay perhaps, but what about once you reach the sites like rapidshare which have plenty of legit downloads on them?
I dunno, but I do know they manage to beat that somehow. Seen it happen myself. I think part of it is by lurking on pirate message boards. Frankly, it's extremely difficult to hide pirate material, by renaming or by any other means, because somehow you have to tell other pirates what you've got so they know you've got what they want.

As recently demonstrated by LulzSec, all it takes is one idiot getting careless for the whole ring to get pinched.
 
Comparing hackers being hunted down by feds to pirates being hunted down by ISPs is a bit different. At the end of the day there is really minimal benefit for the ISPs to give this anything but token effort as opposed to the millions of dollars in resources and manhours they would have to sink into it to truly pull it off and investigate.
 
The difference is unimportant and irrelevant here. Hackers, pirates, doesn't matter: if one guy in the group gets careless and gives away what the group is doing (and where that group is!) guess what? Jail time. And I do know the ISP's have done this; I've seen it myself. I've been on pirate message boards, watching the ISP's post at them and watching them get busted. :D And then seeing the boards go completely silent afterwards....... :eek:
 
What group? 99% of pirates arent some sort of organized group, just random people downloading random files. The ISPs would have to monitor their customers and check every download they make in order to actually identify who is actually pirating, that would take an insane amount of resources. So either they are going to justh ave to blind punish without any evidence its actually piracy which is an injustice or they will have to spend millions to properly do it.
 
It will still be cheaper to timeshare a box in the Czech Rep. than to buy off iTunes.
 
Just as much as you're entitled to install security cameras and monitor everybody who walks into your house.

A warrant is only required if an ISP intends to actually bring charges against somebody in court. And, according to the snippet quoted in the OP, that won't be happening; repeat pirates will simply get disconnected.

Sorry bro, the analogy you are looking for is tapping a phone.

And you do need a warrant for that. It's exactly the same thing, it's monitoring a communication line.
 
And you do need a warrant for that.
The government does. ISP's don't.

What group? 99% of pirates arent some sort of organized group, just random people downloading random files.
And those random people find those random files in precisely what way?? Any method used, can be snooped on.

So either they are going to justh ave to blind punish without any evidence its actually piracy which is an injustice or they will have to spend millions to properly do it.
They'll probably do both. Yes, it will take millions in resources, but you need to remember that BILLIONS in profits are at stake. So no, I don't think your molehill is worth the cost of a mountain.
 
Traffic analysis is one way. Even if they can't see what you download, the fact that you're connected to a torrent site and downloading a 4.7 MB file is a good indication of what you're doing. Peeking through the records of the torrent web site to see what files you connected to (before the encryption was applied) would clinch it.
I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about.
 
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