Rick Perry

[RedRalph]

Not really, America is being pretty stupid right now, and secession is constituionally protected regardless of what the courts say.

No it isn't. Would it bother you if Obama suggested all the red states should secede?

 

[Elrohir]

He's got a charming demeanor, a lot of money, and does seem like a genuinely lucky, yet disciplined politician.

He's also incredibly dangerous, and the idea of a Perry presidency is as frightening to me as a Palin or Bachman presidency, albeit for slightly different reasons. (Incompetency vs. craziness vs. sociopathy) He represents much of what is wrong with the contemporary Republican party, and is the exact opposite of what we really need. I'm also not really a fan of his continual flirtation with treasonous ideas; I can't trust him to actually enforce the Constitution, which is the barest qualification for the presidency. I really don't think there's any way I could vote for him. I'd probably vote for, and perhaps actively support, Obama if that's the choice we're given -- incredible, I know, but Perry genuinely seems that dangerous to me. I'll talk the mediocre devil I know over him.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Seconded. Everyone seems to want to talk up his job-creation record, but it should also be noted that wages in Texas are generally lower than the national average. We have the highest percentage of minimum wage workers of any state. And in addition, some of the highest rates of poverty, high-school dropouts, and teen pregnancy in the nation.

Perry has largely achieved the appearance of fiscal responsibility with accounting tricks. Not to mention federal stimulus money. The fact is, Texas, like just about every other state, is in deep financial manure. The education cuts which Perry has presided over are a testament to this.

Libertarians also take note: Perry pushed through a requirement for all pre-teen girls to get the Gardasil vaccine, with virtually no review and over the vocal objections of parents and schools. Could it have had something to do with the massive contributions he got from big pharma? Fortunately, this was one of the few cases where he had to back off.

In short, if anyone wants to take Rick Perry's Texas as a role model for how the U.S. as a whole should be run, they should be aware that they're really buying into a future as a sleazy 3rd world banana republic.

He also supported the NAFTA superhighway.

 

[Dreadnought]

Why is it that Obama is a Nazi-Stalinist-Communist-America hating tratior, yet Perry is someone to be admired, despite having literally called for seccession and for essentially expressing his desire to destroy America via leaving it?

Who said Obama is a "Nazi-Stalinist-Communist-America hating tratior"? Are you making generalizations again?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Why is it that Obama is a Nazi-Stalinist-Communist-America hating tratior, yet Perry is someone to be admired, despite having literally called for seccession and for essentially expressing his desire to destroy America via leaving it?

Woah, hold on a minute, you're saying stuff that I didn't actually say. I never said Obama was any of the things that you say I did. (Let alone something I just realized the coorelation about, Obama is BLACK, him being a white supremacist, which is what Nazism is, would be quite ridiculous.)

Second of all, if you think Texas leaving America would "Destroy it" you are admitting the value of Conservative ideas

Third of all, I admire the guy's guts, and his willingness to say that the Constitution is superior to the leadership that happens to be in Washington right now. I never said I absolutely agree with everything he's done.

 

[useless]

Delete this.

 

[GhostWriter16]

No it isn't. Would it bother you if Obama suggested all the red states should secede?

Yes, (Unless he was kidding) because the Federal government is a Federation of the soveregn fifty states, each of which are only in the United States for common goals and conveinience and hold the Constitutional right to leave when they please (The states existed before the country.) And for the record, it would "Bother me" if a Republican President said the same to the blue states as well. Why? Because the Federal Government isn't soveregn, the states are. And only the states can initiate secession.

Also:

@Useless- Not all Socialism is created equal, besides the fact that Obama is really more of a social democrat than a real socialist.

 

[Dreadnought]

We can all play this game, too!

 

[NBAfan]

Seconded. Everyone seems to want to talk up his job-creation record, but it should also be noted that wages in Texas are generally lower than the national average. We have the highest percentage of minimum wage workers of any state. And in addition, some of the highest rates of poverty, high-school dropouts, and teen pregnancy in the nation.

Having a lot of poor migrant workers causes that I would think.

Does it bother you that he has made seperatist remarks regarding your country? Cause if someone from Wexford or Leitrim tried that here, Gorey or Carrick-on-Shannon would end up like Grozny

Maybe it would restrain his use of Federal power?

Perry has his faults, but who doesn't? He's probably the best guy for the Republicans.

 

[useless]

Didn't mean to de-rail.

 

[Dreadnought]

What's your point, dreadnaught? Doesn't matter if it happened to bush, what matters is that people assumed and called Obama an American hating socialist, whilst Perry displays his flagrant desire to split from the US; Aka being a traitor.

But I don't see you calling him out.

Wow.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Maybe it would restrain his use of Federal power?

Perry has his faults, but who doesn't? He's probably the best guy for the Republicans.

That all depends how you define "Best guy."

Best chance for a Republican to win? Mitt Romney. Because centrists are drawn to the center. Of course, people like me think he (Romney) has no principles and so wouldn't vote for him even if we could, but people with principles beyond "Don't murder people for no reason" are a minority.

Best candidate for the Republican base? Possibly him, or Bachman.

The candidate that I'd actually support? Ron Paul hands down. The only one that has legitimate dedication to liberty rather than power (Of the semi-major candidates.)

 

[useless]

Nevermind.

 

[Dreadnought]

I'd support Mitt if he won the primary, but I'd much rather see a different candidate. I've always had a soft spot for Herman Cain, just because it'd be nice to have a real businessman in the White House.

 

[emzie]

Bush executed innocent people too. He also mocked Karla Faye Tucker (although she admitted she was guilty). Didn't hurt him, even when his opponent was an incumbent VP after 8 years of peace and prosperity. Don't see why people will care now. (Not saying it's right, just saying they won't care.)

ETA: Edited to remove Perry photo

I was going to argue, and then noted some resident conservatives continuing to defend Perry. Guess you're right. That's a bit depressing.

I'd support Mitt if he won the primary, but I'd much rather see a different candidate. I've always had a soft spot for Herman Cain, just because it'd be nice to have a real businessman in the White House.

I don't think I've ever seen a Godfather's pizza.

 

[Dreadnought]

So? Again, it doesn't matter (in the context of this thread) given that Obama is the current POTUS, and allegations of him being a traitor are still bandied about, but here's a guy who is openly calling for rebellion, and strangely those that brand Obama a traitor are silent about Perry.

Firstly, your dramatization for Obama doesn't quite fit this thread either.

Secondly, you can label people anything you like. Those billboards need only to be sponsored by a single individual to be posted. I could post a billboard that states "Obama is an Alien," and it doesn't matter how many people agree with me.

Thirdly, and probably most controversially, secession =/= rebellion.

Forthly, I could just as easily retort that those that brand Perry a traitor are silent about Obama's leadership in the white house.

 

[Zack]

My parents hate the guy, and they're very conservative/religious and have lived in Texas for over 15 years.

He's as power-hungry as they come.

 

[Leoreth]

You guys are so silly!

Herman Cain looks like a President should, too. Slightly older, with a good posture, tough looking...I think Obama looks too young.

I know. I guess I even know what you mean. Although on some photos he also fits the movie corrupt corporate executive cliche ...

Not really, America is being pretty stupid right now, and secession is constituionally protected regardless of what the courts say.

Yeah, because teenagers have more authority in interpreting the constitution than the institutions whose job it is.

 

[Zack]

EDIT: Nevermind, don't want to derail the topic. Delete.

 

[duckstab]

Not really, America is being pretty stupid right now, and secession is constituionally protected regardless of what the courts say.

The judicial branch interprets the Constitution. What's constitutionally protected, for better or worse, is exactly what the courts say.

Now, one can argue whether or not states or other political entities have a right to secede, the Constitution notwithstanding. But the fact is, under the current interpretation of U.S. law, secession is illegal and not constitutionally protected. If you want to do it, you have three options: Amendment, Convention, or successful armed revolt.