RIP: John Lennon

[sysyphus]

Well said Birdjaguar, though I don't think one really needs to have been around at the time to appreciate the Beatles for what they were.

The musicianship in that group, save maybe Ringo, was pheonomenal. Their songwriting and arrangements were very clever, give it a good listen sometime if you don't believe me.

I hate hero worship, but I see nothing wrong with honouring a muscial innovator who suggested people start being nice to one another.

Yeah, he was an arrogant cynic, but that's mainly because he cared.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Lennon was a genius songwriter, I just think people overstate his musicality IMHO this became very obvious when the group split up. Harrison had a quite successful solo career, McCartney nearly made it on the basis of folksiness, Lennon mostly flunked. Although I still like to listen to Imagine and Jealous Guy.

 

[Kosez]

Can you imagine the Imagine was on banned-songs list after 9/11. Gee. That tells a lot about 9/11 too, doesn't?

 

[kryszcztov]

I'm a bit shocked everytime I remember that John is dead, because he has always been dead for me (I was less than 1 year old when he was shot down), but I started to listen to music on my own with the Beatles, and I don't know, it's like if he wasn't dead, after this great career...

BTW, my preferred song from his solo career : "Instant Karma".

 

[Che Guava]

A world class a******, but a very talented composer. His kids haven't done too bad either: Sean Lennon's first album is one of my guilty pleasures...

 

[plarq]

Can you imagine the Imagine was on banned-songs list after 9/11. Gee. That tells a lot about 9/11 too, doesn't?

Banned? Why? Could you give me a source with a brief quote (Internet is bad and some of news sites are banned here)? Thanks.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Banned? Why? Could you give me a source with a brief quote (Internet is bad and some of news sites are banned here)? Thanks.

http://www.freemuse.org/sw6621.asp

01 December 2002

Clear Channel: September 11 & Corporate Censorship
A collection of articles which examines the role of Clear Channel as market leader and, as some will say, the biggest corporate censor in U.S. history, with special focus on their role in the censorship debate following the September 11 terrorist attacks.

The day after the September 2001 terrorist attacks, Clear Channel program directors issued a list of "potentially offensive songs" that it suggested stations not play. Many reports referred to the list as a "ban" on the songs, which included all Rage Against The Machine songs, the Notorious B.I.G.'s "Juicy" (which includes the line "Time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade"), John Lennon's "Imagine," Metallica's "Seek and Destroy," AC/DC's "Safe in New York," Bobby Darin's "Mack the Knife," Peter, Paul and Mary's "Leaving on a Jet Plane," and Jerry Lee Lewis' "Great Balls of Fire," and "The Drifters' On Broadway." Clear Channel spokesperson Pam Taylor objected to the list being called a "ban," saying, ""This was an effort to help people be sensitive to the unthinkable environment. It's been somehow turned into some sort of evil attempt to control pop music, and that's absurd."

My favorite from the list is JLL's "Great Balls of Fire" Thank you Clear Channel for helping me be a more sensitive guy.

 

[Che Guava]

I had no idea that Clear Channel was run by such a collection of tools!

 

[amadeus]

A working class hero is something to be.

"Working class hero?" He was a musician.

He was a very good musician, but he should've kept his mouth shut when it came to politics. When people buy records, they buy it for the music, not to give some loudmouth the opportunity to make a big stink about causes they support.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

"Working class hero?" He was a musician.

He was a very good musician, but he should've kept his mouth shut when it came to politics. When people buy records, they buy it for the music, not to give some loudmouth the opportunity to make a big stink about causes they support.

But of course Lynyrd Skynyrd speak for The Common Man.

Because they speak the way you like

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Oh hey, and let's not even get into the idiotic "Christian" "bands"

 

[De Lorimier]

"Working class hero?" He was a musician.

He was a very good musician, but he should've kept his mouth shut when it came to politics. When people buy records, they buy it for the music, not to give some loudmouth the opportunity to make a big stink about causes they support.

It's the name of my favorite song of his. You obviously typed fast once again.

Everyone has the right to speak about anything they want. If you don't like it, you don't buy the records, see the movies, read the books, ect.

 

[Birdjaguar]

"Working class hero?" He was a musician.

He was a very good musician, but he should've kept his mouth shut when it came to politics. When people buy records, they buy it for the music, not to give some loudmouth the opportunity to make a big stink about causes they support.

He was a very rich musician that donated 10% of his annual earnings to causes.

Do you still buy records? Mp3s and CDs are soooo... much easier. I never play my vinyl anymore. BTW, a lot of music is bought for the political messages of the singer. Do you need a list?

 

[plarq]

@Birdjaguar: thanks, and condolescenes to free expression. At least the "ban" was lifted soon after 9.11, wasn't it?

 

[luiz]

A world class a******, but a very talented composer.

That's how I feel as well.

 

[I am the Future]

WE MISS YOU

There are places I’ll remember
All my life though some have changed
Some forever not for better
Some have gone and some remain
All these places have their moments
With lovers and friends I still can recall
Some are dead and some are living
In my life I’ve loved them all

But of all these friends and lovers
There is no one compares with you
And these memories lose their meaning
When I think of love as something new
Though I know I’ll never lose affection
For people and things that went before
I know I’ll often stop and think about them
In my life I love you more

Though I know I’ll never lose affection
For people and things that went before
I know I’ll often stop and think about them
In my life I love you more
In my life I love you more​

 

[Trafalgar]

Is anybody here old enough here to have actually lived through the 60's?

Many of you seem to be seeing John Lennon through rose tinted glasses.

He was a popular musician. He had left-wing political views. He was anti-war.

So what! That doesn't make him some kind of saint. He took drugs, slept

around a lot, made lots of money, had fun and stuck his finger up to authority.

He took himself far too seriously and so are you.

And have a nice day.

 

[Richard Cribb]

Is anybody here old enough here to have actually lived through the 60's?

I was born in 1964, so only partly. I also majored in history on the 17th century and the Thirty Years War, but I was not personally present at neither the battle of Breitenfeld not the Peace Conference at Westphalia.I still think I am allowed to form an opinion about those events, though...

Many of you seem to be seeing John Lennon through rose tinted glasses.

Perhaps. Perhaps everybody does concerning certain people. I certainly don't regarding John Lennon. He is not my favourite musician. I prefer the music of people like Valentin Greff Bakfark. But I find some of his texts, like "Working Class Hero", "Imagine" and "Jealous Guy" to be quite good. And I respect him because, as you said:

He was a popular musician. He had left-wing political views. He was anti-war.

Since I can't find anything wrong with any of those three things, rather the contrary...

So what!

So I find those things honourable, that's what!

That doesn't make him some kind of saint.

I am an atheist. I don't believe in sainthood.

He took drugs, slept

around a lot, made lots of money, had fun and stuck his finger up to authority.

I have a feeling that you perhaps would have liked him more if he had taken drugs, slept around, had fun and worshipped authority.

He took himself far too seriously and so are you.

I did't know him and don't know how seriously he took himself. And you don't know me either and are well advised not to tell me how seriously I take myself. Because it doesn't reflect well on you, to say the least.

And have a nice day.

Thanks and the same to you.

 

[Oruc]

Someone is an arrogant bastard arnt they.
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[Trafalgar]

You have to have lived the sixties to understand. John would laugh at this idolatry. He turned his back on it.