I think there’s a very strong historical case for the flirtatious agenda, and I am all for it’s inclusion. It’s not strange at all to think of a ruler courting political alliances through diplomatic marriages (even if sometimes they were pursuing different people in private). Think of it like politically uniting the kingdoms, and maybe Cleoxander’s biological child can rule the combined empire afterwards.
People also need to keep in mind that this agenda doesn't neccesairly need to break realism.
If there's any gay leaders in the mix they can simply be told "Never have this trait", as is case with Devout for Jadwiga, since it would clash heavily with her historical one. Leaders can have Exclusive Agendas that will simply never show up.
On the other hand, leaders can also have preferred traits (although they're limited to one of that type only, which is why Gandhi will ALWAYS have Nuke Happy and why Teddy will ALWAYS have Environmentalist, because they're programmed to roll this one). I bet my money Cleopatra will have a preferred Fliratious agenda.
People also need to keep in mind that this agenda doesn't neccesairly need to break realism.
If there's any gay leaders in the mix they can simply be told "Never have this trait", as is case with Devout for Jadwiga, since it would clash heavily with her historical one. Leaders can have Exclusive Agendas that will simply never show up.
On the other hand, leaders can also have preferred traits (although they're limited to one of that type only, which is why Gandhi will ALWAYS have Nuke Happy and why Teddy will ALWAYS have Environmentalist, because they're programmed to roll this one). I bet my money Cleopatra will have a preferred Fliratious agenda.
But what's the point of hidden agendas if they're almost always the same?
There are many strikes against this agenda. If implies that only heterosexuals are flirtatious, it removes agency from the player, and it's just entirely not necessary with so many other agendas floating around. It should be removed.
I'd expect a diplo-friendly agenda to bear names like "Chatty", "Talkative", "Gossip Girl" w/e over Sycophant, yeah.
I see no issues with the Firtatious agenda. Many of the leaders in the game were notorious Femme Fatales/Dreamboats and so were many historical leaders not added (like Henry VIII, Napoleon and Catherine the Great). Power makes people attractive, it's simply human nature (since powerful/strong men/women make better mates and therefore guarantee better/stronger offspring). An opposite agenda to this should be "Unflirty" or "Chaste": Leaders who feel awkward interacting with members of the opposite sex (which would make sense for Jadwiga, for example) for their own purposes. (homosexuality, chasteness, history of abusive relationships, or some other reason)
Adding a homosexual agenda for the heck of it is a bad idea for a history simulator like Civ, since Homosexuality was mildly ignored at best and banned as a punitive offence at worst until the Information Era.
also, Gandhi isn't always Nuke Happy. I've sometimes rolled him as Paranoid as well. (and Populist too, i think?)
I'd expect a diplo-friendly agenda to bear names like "Chatty", "Talkative", "Gossip Girl" w/e over Sycophant, yeah.
I see no issues with the Firtatious agenda. Many of the leaders in the game were notorious Femme Fatales/Dreamboats and so were many historical leaders not added (like Henry VIII, Napoleon and Catherine the Great). Power makes people attractive, it's simply human nature (since powerful/strong men/women make better mates and therefore guarantee better/stronger offspring). An opposite agenda to this should be "Unflirty" or "Chaste": Leaders who feel awkward interacting with members of the opposite sex (which would make sense for Jadwiga, for example) for their own purposes. (homosexuality, chasteness, history of abusive relationships, or some other reason)
Adding a homosexual agenda for the heck of it is a bad idea for a history simulator like Civ, since Homosexuality was mildly ignored at best and banned as a punitive offence at worst until the Information Era.
also, Gandhi isn't always Nuke Happy. I've sometimes rolled him as Paranoid as well. (and Populist too, i think?)
I'm not sure that anyone has suggested adding a homosexual agenda. I'd much rather see the flirtatious one removed entirely. It's simply bad for the game.
I like that every leader has a fixed primary agenda, but I'd like to see them have several random hidden agendas rather than just the one, provided these were sensibly assigned, it would help to give each leader a unique personality.
I like that every leader has a fixed primary agenda, but I'd like to see them have several random hidden agendas rather than just the one, provided these were sensibly assigned, it would help to give each leader a unique personality.
Give them several agendas at once and let them play according to the agenda. If someone liked planes, make him build some. Someone that likes advanced civs -> focused on science etc.
Give them several agendas at once and let them play according to the agenda. If someone liked planes, make him build some. Someone that likes advanced civs -> focused on science etc.
Give them several agendas at once and let them play according to the agenda. If someone liked planes, make him build some. Someone that likes advanced civs -> focused on science etc.
I think agendas that you can't control add a good variety to the game, and would like it if they popped up occasionally. I also think the leaders ought to be programmed with more distinct personalities. While I dislike fixed hidden agendas (which seem to fly in the face of the "hidden" notion, while also diminishing variety), if it meant the leaders had personality I would enjoy that. Unfortunately, even those leaders which almost always have the same agendas (e.g. Teddy, Gandhi) tend not to have distinct, consistent in game personalities. In contrast, V had the personality tables, which allowed the devs to program more distinct characters.
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