Rise of Asia

[Dark Sheer]

Speaking of Map, I am currently making my own 256x256 China Map for my ROTK Scenarios. And I discovered a great tool called EarthExplorer. Its free verion can generate topographical map for the whole global. All you need to do is pick the country. And since the tool also allow you to save the map in bmp format, all you need to do is edit the bmp file generated then use bmp2bic to create your CivIII map.

 

[Blue Monkey]

... I discovered a great tool called EarthExplorer. Its free verion ...

How about a link?

 

[ShiroKobbure]

well, should we have a bronze resource?
what are all the resources you have?

 

[Dark Sheer]

You can download EarthExplorerDEM3.5 here :

http://www.motherplanet.com/download.htm

If you like it then you can pay for the full version of course.
Get the DEM version cause thats the one with topo map. The non-DEM version gives satelite map instead.

 

[Blue Monkey]

well, should we have a bronze resource?
what are all the resources you have?

Having not made a mod before, I'm not sure how much my advice is worth, but I would wait to make any firm decisions as to resources until unit lines/tech tree are in shape. Between mods like TAM, DYP, etc. plus the offerings here, we should be able to come up with just about any icon we want.

Thanks, Dark Seer. I've downloaded the Mac version, and will work on developing bmp from that.

 

[Goldflash]

Well, having made a mod before, I have to say you're exactly right, Blue Monkey.

 

[aaglo]

well, should we have a bronze resource?
what are all the resources you have?

To be a nitpic:
Bronze is not a resource, it's an alloy of copper and tin (IIRC, it was something like 7 parts copper, 1 part tin). And copper is quite common on earth, but tin is harder to find. So if you need resource for bronzeage items, have a resource called tin. (it was usually available at hills and rivers, but since rivers are between the tiles, you could think about adding tin to floodplains perhaps )

 

[Blue Monkey]

... So if you need resource for bronzeage items, have a resource called tin.

IIRC that's the solution TAM uses.

... it was usually available at hills and rivers, but since rivers are between the tiles, you could think about adding tin to floodplains perhaps

The maps I've been looking at, in Asia tin would end up in hilly areas adjacent to rivers anyway.

 

[aaglo]

uh... yeah, forgot completely, that this will not use a random map

 

[The Last Conformist]

TAM has both copper and tin resources. Of course, it's also got a "copper age" before the Bronze Age, and so some units require only copper.

As was hinted at earlier, copper-arsenic alloys are also known as "bronze", and are rather similar in general properties.

 

[Blue Monkey]

My thinking as to tin/copper is that historically the need for access to both resources probably drove a lot of trade between east Asia and the civs bordering the Indian Ocean. Not to mention political/military expansion. Irrawady River region was an area that was continually disputed and conquered over a generation or two. The only resources there that would be worth all that effort that I know of would be the proximity to both tin and copper. It's up to Shirou if he wants to lock down two strategic resources just to simulate that.

 

[7ronin]

For much of its early history Bangladesh was part of first the Maurya and later the Gupta Empires. As the Gupta Empire declined, the Gauda Kingdom was established around 600. Later around 700, a Gauda king named Shashanka greatly expanded Gauda's borders to coincide with what we now refer to as Bangladesh. He is sometimes referred to as the first king of Bengal.

 

[Blue Monkey]

... a Gauda king named Shashanka ... is sometimes referred to as the first king of Bengal.

Good info! Can you track down any sculptural or other images that could be the basis for a leaderhead?

 

[7ronin]

Good info! Can you track down any sculptural or other images that could be the basis for a leaderhead?

I've been looking but even written information is pretty slim. He was a Buddhist king and at that time I think, except for their jewelry, they pretty much all looked alike.

 

[Dark Sheer]

I've been looking but even written information is pretty slim. He was a Buddhist king and at that time I think, except for their jewelry, they pretty much all looked alike.

From what I have read, Shashanka is more a hindu king and he procecuted buddhist His name is recorded in the Journey to the West (The real one, not the novel with the monkey god btw )

 

[7ronin]

Oops, Dark Sheer is correct. Shashanka was Hindu and anti-Buddhist.

I've attached a generalized map of ancient Bengal which should provide some city names. At the height of his power, Shashanka controlled a good bit of the area around the Ganges.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Has anyone thought of a good UU for Burma yet btw?

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

Burma could perhaps have a unique worker unit called the "Kywan" with an "All terrain as roads" ability. The "Kywan" were "slaves", but not in the European sense. They could move through the ranks and people in the Classical Period of Bagan would move in and out of the "kywan" and "asan" (freemen) status either due to personal prosperity (or lack thereof) or to avoid certain responsibilities ("kywan" of monasteries were typically more secure than even people of "asan" status).

 

[7ronin]

Here are some possible techs appropriate for ancient Asia (a few may have already been mentioned) - some of them might be more appropriate as wonders.

Ceremonial Burial
Shamanism
Religious Tradition
Writing
Literature
Poetry
Irrigation
City Planning
Shipbuilding
Advanced Shipbuilding
Naval Warfare
Navigation
Calendar
Wheat Cultivation
Rice Cultivation
Mandate of Heaven
Imperial Bureauracy
Emperor Cult
Hinduism
Taoism
Shintoism
Confucianism
Buddhism
Mohism
Kingship
Military Tradition
Military Strategy
Military Tactics
Castle Building
Bronze Working
Iron Working
Steel Working
Stirrup
Military Cult
Horsemanship
Charioteering
Woodworking
Elephant Handling
Archery
Compound Bow
Crossbow
Advanced Crossbow
Gunpowder
Rocketry
System of Justice
Diplomacy
Court Ritual
Class System
Xenophobia
Sword Cult
Music
Aesthetics
Merchant Class
Foreign Trade
Currency
Money Lending
Banking
Tax System
Spice Trade

...and some wonders
Imperial Palace
Great Wall
Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove
Journey to the West
Ise Shrine
Three Sacred Treasures
Terracotta Army
Bo Tree
Kamasutra
Trading Company
Vedas
Silk Road
Angor Wat
Potala Palace

...and some possible name changes -
Ceylon = Sinhala
Kampuchea = Funan
Tibet = Bod
Siam = Sukhothai (note: Siam as a nation only exists from 1238 C.E.)

...some possible era names -
Age of Bamboo
Age of Jade
Age of Tigers
Age of Dragons

 

[Blue Monkey]

Burma could perhaps have a unique worker unit called the "Kywan" with an "All terrain as roads" ability.

Sounds like a good choice, but I don't understand why that particular ability. I would make them work faster, not run over the Himalayas.

What about the idea discussed in another thread of an elephant worker?