RLC#2. The Immortal Gandhi.
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pigswill
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I do find it very tempting to sneak a peek at shadow games. Its a temptation I've resisted so far but its always there. Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to have a seperate thread for shadow games. Maybe something to be discussed at another time.
What can be discussed immediately is whether moving the warrior SW helps or hinders decision making:
Not faerie gold at all. Just surf n'turf.
What can be discussed immediately is whether moving the warrior SW helps or hinders decision making:
Not faerie gold at all. Just surf n'turf.
Settled my prophet in city instead of waiting to build hindu wonder in Athens after it was captured. Oh well. Sparta went with a few losses and Athens next. A real nice city which was extremely food rich. Let him live with his last city as the war had really hurt my tech rate. Got most of his techs even though sailing/meditation and hunting I couldn't get.Not I got col and cur and was trying to get my economy back on its feet but can only tech at 10%. Anyway after 10 turns of peace Pericles was no more. With my remaning 10 axes I went west to take a couple of barb cities. Not many that poped up on this continent though
pigswill
fly (one day)
Some people say you play too fast.
Some people say you play too slow.
You play because you want to play the way you play
Unless someone shows you a better way to play.
That's why I'm playing this game.
Everyone's future is written like a script.
Free will is an illusion born of denial of fate.
You make the choice you were fated to make.
Some people say you play too slow.
You play because you want to play the way you play
Unless someone shows you a better way to play.
That's why I'm playing this game.
Everyone's future is written like a script.
Free will is an illusion born of denial of fate.
You make the choice you were fated to make.
with neg 15 
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pigswill
fly (one day)
Maybe the days of 1000 posts before starting belong to a bygone era of lost innocence when civ 4 was young and still finding its feet.
In the absence of advice to the contrary I settled in place:
There I was chasing pots of faerie gold. In the immortal words of Dorothy "There's no place like home".
I don't think I've ever started an offline game with double gems. In case anyone was wondering this was the first start I 'rolled' and worldbuilder was not involved.
Counting up tiles in BFC we've got 2 gems, rice, 1FP, 4 grass (2 riverside), 6 plains, 4 grassland hills (ghills) and 2 plain hills (phills). 16 of these (everything except the 'specials') are covered in forest.
Its certainly a strong start. The next question is how to exploit it. We start with mysticism and mining. Agriculture will certainly be involved as will BW for chopping.
Ideas on how to exploit this for maximum benefit would be welcome. I'd reckon worker first is obvious and researching agric followed by BW but the best order to improve tiles will be a key issue (and of course a chance for our fast worker to strut his/her stuff).
In the absence of advice to the contrary I settled in place:
There I was chasing pots of faerie gold. In the immortal words of Dorothy "There's no place like home".
I don't think I've ever started an offline game with double gems. In case anyone was wondering this was the first start I 'rolled' and worldbuilder was not involved.
Counting up tiles in BFC we've got 2 gems, rice, 1FP, 4 grass (2 riverside), 6 plains, 4 grassland hills (ghills) and 2 plain hills (phills). 16 of these (everything except the 'specials') are covered in forest.
Its certainly a strong start. The next question is how to exploit it. We start with mysticism and mining. Agriculture will certainly be involved as will BW for chopping.
Ideas on how to exploit this for maximum benefit would be welcome. I'd reckon worker first is obvious and researching agric followed by BW but the best order to improve tiles will be a key issue (and of course a chance for our fast worker to strut his/her stuff).
An after thought at settling. I took the view that the game would not give just 2 resources at start.
I looked at the fog and noticed the grassland to the south of the capital. On this basis I moved the warrior south at start. The game rarely gives random grasslands on their own.
I then SIP. The city to the west with 3 food resources will make a good city anyway.
I looked at the fog and noticed the grassland to the south of the capital. On this basis I moved the warrior south at start. The game rarely gives random grasslands on their own.
I then SIP. The city to the west with 3 food resources will make a good city anyway.
Prechop on a move?
Like a roading on a move [mover worker one tile and building part road] - for fast worker on flat forests sometimes you can squeeze extra turn of prechop by moving on forest prechoping and let say moving on resource next turn.
BornInCantaloup
Agent of Chaos
Looks strong, very gambit-friendly start. Worst thing about high commerce tiles is the low production associated. To make up for it, you need to grow your city.
--> Worker improves Rice, southern gems, northern gems. That is 1 turn travel before improving any gems.
Then it can chop into worker/settler or farm the floodplains. 1 chop at least is probably welcome before farming. My guess is 2 chops are fine.
It's best to grow before working the mines (especially the hill one) and then stagnate. Best as well to be size 4 and have a farm on the floodplains when you stop stagnating.
vranasm
Deity
i guess Oracle->CS with double gems is very attractive, but would tough to say how to do 
what came to mind was delaying BW a bit ;-) in advance of writing to bulb math while teching CoL and BW.
what came to mind was delaying BW a bit ;-) in advance of writing to bulb math while teching CoL and BW.
BornInCantaloup
Agent of Chaos
Gutsyi guess Oracle->CS with double gems is very attractive, but would tough to say how to do
what came to mind was delaying BW a bit ;-) in advance of writing to bulb math while teching CoL and BW.
Bulbing Maths is a sacrifice of a GP and much production in hiring the scientists.
Oracle-> Construction / Currency would put a lot less strain on Empire management and still be quite ambitious (compared to Oracle->CoL, for example). If skipping BW, Oracle-> Construction can be especially nice with all those forests. Provided there are neighbours, that is.
Problem without chops is that it will take forever to get the first settler out. 15 turns at size4 and 12 at size5 or with the FP farmed.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Oracle>CoL sounds a fine plan to make use of Gandhi's traits (swopping between slavery and caste as required). Not as ambitious as other slings so a lower chance of failure.
It would also be nice to get a settler out before Oracle and BW would help with that.
Obviously it all depends on the map, if I'm sandwiched between Monte and Shaka I may have to reconsider.
It would also be nice to get a settler out before Oracle and BW would help with that.
Obviously it all depends on the map, if I'm sandwiched between Monte and Shaka I may have to reconsider.
vranasm
Deity
Gutsy
Bulbing Maths is a sacrifice of a GP and much production in hiring the scientists.
Oracle-> Construction / Currency would put a lot less strain on Empire management and still be quite ambitious (compared to Oracle->CoL, for example). If skipping BW, Oracle-> Construction can be especially nice with all those forests. Provided there are neighbours, that is.
Problem without chops is that it will take forever to get the first settler out. 15 turns at size4 and 12 at size5 or with the FP farmed.
back in the day it was considered as one of the strongest options for Oracle...interesting how things change ;-).
i guess you have room for size 3 settler and then straight library, run scientists with the plans of strong city 2 which will spam w/s for more expansion.
maybe waiting the first x turns of teching agriculture and scouting can help with the decision (for example no good city 2 spot will shift towards not risking oracle->cs because capital will have more s/w duty)
pigswill
fly (one day)
I'm guessing as a minimum no-one would argue against starting with worker, agric regardless of subsequent choices. I'd agree that even a bit of exploration can make a lot of difference at this stage.
I'm debating if I should explore south at this stage (because its the kind of thing I forget to do for ages) or look where the river goes northwards.
I'm debating if I should explore south at this stage (because its the kind of thing I forget to do for ages) or look where the river goes northwards.
vranasm
Deity
the south will be revealed with border pops...you will most probably not see the sea food there, but it's not important now, because south expansion is bad way
1) you don't have fishing
2) you want to expand towards AI especially if you want to invest into oracle (and maybe the library for the bulb of math)
pigswill
fly (one day)
@Gumbolt. I assume you moved warrior SE putting it S of settler to reveal southern 3 tiles of SIP BFC (ain't abbreviations wonderful, translation available on request). In retrospect this would have been a stronger opening move because its usually better to find reasons to stay put rather than reasons to lose turns moving.
@vranasm. You're right that a southern overlap city is not a good candidate for second city. I'll just have to remember to check south at a later stage.
@vranasm. You're right that a southern overlap city is not a good candidate for second city. I'll just have to remember to check south at a later stage.
TiglathPileser
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Bear in mind that if you do oracle caste system, you can grab 3 quick great merchants while slow teching construction and building warrior*, then connect metal and use the 3*1300 = 3900 trade mission gold to upgrade the warriors for a 20+ stack around 1000BC. The excess gold leftover plus gold from city capture should then tie you over to currency and with some luck feudalism.
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