Romeo and Juilet

[ParadigmShifter]

It is not as high-brow as you might think, it even gets into extremely popular video games!

Indeed, the "Drama" tech quote from Civ IV.

Plus these famous lines from Romeo and Juliet:

Narrator: In A.D. 2101, all the world was a stage and all the men and women merely players, they have their exits and entrances.

Juliet: What happen ?

Romeo: Somebody set up us the bomb.

Juliet: We get signal.

Romeo: What!

Juliet: Main screen turn on.

Romeo: It's you!!

King Richard III: How are you gentlemen!!
King Richard III: All your base doth belong to us.
King Richard III: You are on the way to destruction.

Romeo: What you say!!

King Richard III: You have no chance to survive make your time.
King Richard III: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....

Juliet: Romeo!!

Romeo: Take off every 'MONTAGUE'!!
Romeo: You know what you doing.
Romeo: Move 'MONTAGUE'.
Romeo: For great justice.

 

[JZ_UK]

But they even explain half of them in the margins!

Weren't no margins when I read Shakey boy writing went to the edge son, we gotz paper that was like wafer thin bark, font was somewhere between size 6 and 8 and footnotes? Endnotes?! We didn't get none of them, no sirey we had to sweat for our culture sonny!*



*May or may not be a true account of Roman Catholic education in the United Kingdom... its actually closer to reality than I'd like to remember -.-

 

[Irish Caesar]

^

Actually, now that you mention it, my personal copy of Julius Caesar only has a few footnotes for where words used completely don't exist anymore; the books we read in high school had more notes and stuff with them, though.

 

[The Yankee]

In short, the same people who are to blame today for much of the problems of our youth.

So, so tempted to go on a political rant of satire here.

But I suppose that would be the case, although those were closer to the norms of the time.

 

[Shadylookin]

I blame anybody that thinks, getting married after knowing the other person for only 3 days, is a good idea.

 

[On Yer Flour]

Indeed, the "Drama" tech quote from Civ IV.

Plus these famous lines from Romeo and Juliet:

Narrator: In A.D. 2101, all the world was a stage and all the men and women merely players, they have their exits and entrances.

Juliet: What happen ?

Romeo: Somebody set up us the bomb.

Juliet: We get signal.

Romeo: What!

Juliet: Main screen turn on.

Romeo: It's you!!

King Richard III: How are you gentlemen!!
King Richard III: All your base doth belong to us.
King Richard III: You are on the way to destruction.

Romeo: What you say!!

King Richard III: You have no chance to survive make your time.
King Richard III: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....

Juliet: Romeo!!

Romeo: Take off every 'MONTAGUE'!!
Romeo: You know what you doing.
Romeo: Move 'MONTAGUE'.
Romeo: For great justice.

Move "MONTAGUE'. For great justiiiice!!!!!!!

 

[The Yankee]

Romeo: Take off every 'MONTAGUE'!!
Romeo: You know what you doing.
Romeo: Move 'MONTAGUE'.
Romeo: For great justice.

That's wrong on at least 37 levels.

Let's hope I don't live that long!

 

[Tee Kay]

Ok. First of all this is an average book to read. Though it isn't meant to be read. The play wasn't bad. We've been studying it in English for a few months now and exams are coming up. I can't be bothered studying so I thought I'd post here. The question in the exam is probably got something to do with the question 'Who is to blame?' So anyway, discuss.

Lol I had to study it in class too. Last term I did an essay on the EXACT SAME TOPIC so I know what you're talking about.

I blame Shakespeare.

 

[Tee Kay]

I blame anybody that thinks, getting married after knowing the other person for only 3 days, is a good idea.

It was more like three hours iirc.

 

[obliterate]

Lol I had to study it in class too. Last term I did an essay on the EXACT SAME TOPIC so I know what you're talking about.

I blame Shakespeare.

I thought of doing that but it's a bit hard to write 500 words about that.I think I'll blame themselves. They did commit suicide after all.

 

[Taliesin]

Shakespeare cannot be overrated, though it's fair to say that Jonson's "Would he had blotted a thousand" quip has some merit. Romeo and Juliet is the lamest Shakespeare play I've read, but it's still definitely worth reading and studying. It's a little bit strange to argue about who is to be blamed, since the play is a Fated tragedy in which the principals possess no tragic dignity whatsoever. "Blame Shakespeare" is the only sound option, though for an in-story scapegoat my vote is for Romeo.


I'd also like to take a moment to second scherbchen's recommendation of Rochester, who after Milton and Dryden is generally regarded as the finest English poet of the seventeenth century. He died at thirty-three, worn out by drink and syphilis, but in doing so he left behind a body of poetry truly epic in its rudeness. Some samples:

Much wine had passed with grave discourse
Of who f---s who and who does worse,
Such as you usually do hear
From them that diet at the Bear,
When I, who still take care to see
Drunkenness relieved by lechery,
Went out into St James's Park
To cool my head and fire my heart.
But though St James has the honour on't,
'Tis consecrate to prick and c--t.

Now pierced is her virgin zone,
She feels the foe within it;
She hears a broken, amorous groan,
The panting lover's fainting moan,
Just in the happy minute.

Frighted she wakes and waking frigs.
Nature thus kindly eased
In dreams raised by her murmuring pigs
And her own thumb between her legs,
She's innocent and pleased.

This last one, if you can believe it, was accidentally delivered into the hands of Charles II, upon which Rochester fled to France as fast as his legs could carry him:

In the isle of Great Britain long since famous grown
For breeding the best c--ts in Christendom,
There reigns, and oh, long may he reign and thrive,
The easiest prince and best-bred man alive.
Him no ambition moves to seek renown
Like the French fool, to wander up and down
Starving his subjects, hazarding his crown.
Peace is his aim, his gentleness is such,
And love he loves, for he loves f---ing much.
Nor are his high desires above his strength,
His sceptre and his prick are of a length;
And she that plays with one may sway the other
And make him little wiser than his brother.
I hate all monarchs and the thrones they sit on,
From the hector of France to the cully of Britain.
Poor prince, thy prick, like thy buffoons at court,
It governs thee, because it makes thee sport.
'Tis sure the sauciest prick that e'er did swive,
The proudest, peremptoriest prick alive.
Though safety, law, religion, life lay on't,
'Twould break through all to make its way to c--t.
Restless he rolls about from whore to whore,
A merry monarch, scandalous and poor.
To Carwell, the most dear of all his dears,
The sure relief of his declining years,
Oft he bewails his fortune and her fate:
To love so well, and to be loved so late.
For when in her he settles well his tarse,
Yet his dull, graceless ballocks hang an arse.
This you'd believe, had I but time to tell y'
The pain it costs to poor, laborious Nelly,
While she employs hands, fingers, lips, and thighs,
Ere she can raise the member she enjoys.

It kind of makes the notion of censoring naughty words look a bit silly.

 

[Tee Kay]

I thought of doing that but it's a bit hard to write 500 words about that.I think I'll blame themselves. They did commit suicide after all.

Actually, when I told the teacher I was going to blame Shakespeare in my essay, she threatens to fail me.

So in the end, I blame the hallucinating idiot-lovers who got married three hours after they met each other who also happen to be on the opposing side of a blood feud.

 

[obliterate]

Actually, when I told the teacher I was going to blame Shakespeare in my essay, she threatens to fail me.

So in the end, I blame the hallucinating idiot-lovers who got married three hours after they met each other who also happen to be on the opposing side of a blood feud.

She actually treatened to fail you! Typical english teachers.

PS. What school do you go to?

 

[Irish Caesar]

Some blame also falls on the friends for not telling Romeo that rebound relationships always end badly.

 

[JZ_UK]

Rochester, who after Milton and Dryden is generally regarded as the finest English poet of the seventeenth century.

It kind of makes the notion of censoring naughty words look a bit silly.

...does make you wonder why Milton died terrified of what the censors would do if they got hold of him... Coincidently, The Libertine was a great film... what was that line... "I'll come to know your guts in time my boy"

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The issue I have with your argument is that you seem to imply Juliet was right to obey her own conscience and give the finger to social convention, which is something someone living today would say, but which was definitely not the case "back then"

I said no such thing. Personally, I think Juliet was an idiot. But I realize that she did what SHE thought was the right thing to do. After all... considering how important it was for brides to be "untouched" -- how could County Paris accept her after she'd given herself to another man first?

Actually, Juliet's only honorable alternative would have been to take the veil.

 

[JZ_UK]

considering how important it was for brides to be "untouched"

Actually... In Harlot's Ghost by Norman Mailer a character states that in Italy, an unmarried woman had to be "a maiden before and a martyr behind" wonder if that applied to Jules...

 

[scherbchen]

Happy that I am not alone in adoring Rochester

The ultimate performance artist of his time, surely. And handing that poem to Charles II by accident (let me see what I gots in me pockets... oh, this'll do I bet)... not the only time he was banished from court.

Anybody remember how he *seduced* his wife? He kidnapped her...

Meh, in the end it all fuels his persona. Imho even his deathbed conversion is consistent with hif lifestyle. Me, me, me, me... oh bugger, I'm about to die? Well, can't hurt converting now, can it?

 

[The Yankee]

Actually, when I told the teacher I was going to blame Shakespeare in my essay, she threatens to fail me.

So much for thinking outside the box....

 

[JZ_UK]

So much for thinking outside the box....

And really, its not technically wrong... the whole play is Shakey's fault...