RR6 - I am Legend

[nocho]

Got it, but most probably won't play until tuesday night to allow a bit of discussion.

i'd have a tendancy to settle magenta, have a go at the oracle and settle the Gspy.

i think we need to get a bit of military going as well before somebody get the wrong idea about our empire.

Sounds good, although I don't know about that roloist Oracle... Maybe I'd rather get another settler out quickly to settle white-dot-1W-or-1NW to grab the marble and the gold.

Eridu can pump some units. After the monument finishes next turn I'd unqueue the granary and build barracks and then some units. Eridu won't grow in a long time anyway, unless it will get some more farms. And maybe you should whip the Ziggurat in Kish now.

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Trying for the oracle seems quite a good idea.. But I'd definitally would change the location to Eridu. It's pruducing same amount of hammers but won't pollute our Spy pool and it will need the culture to sneak the corn from memphis.. And as I'd still settle white dot after magenta (or 1W as nocho purposed) without waiting for too long I'd keep Uruk settler spamming..

Techwise I'd go for math or ABC after wrinting and would take CoL from Oracle to enable philo to get to natio on the direct way..

 

[Tatran]

Lurker's comment :
I couldn't find the right formula for 5% spread, but this is close

(total city + total spread )*0.05

 

[Ad Hoc]

Finslly managed to get a short set played, decisions required at the end

The most exciting things that happened

Our exploring warrior got whacked trying to sneak past a barb city

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Writing in, start on Alphabet for the spies

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and Ur founded

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and where i stopped (or nearly, i moved a worker after the screenie and then saved again.

Oracle and a great spy next turn,

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Tech screen at the moment

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[nocho]

Looks good, although shouldn't we rather want to trade for alpha instead of researching it ourselves? 3 AIs already have it. I'd rather tech the typical aesthetics for instance.

We could get alpha and other stuff for the tech we take from the Oracle. Metal casting I presume?

I guess we should settle the GSpy and build a SY with the next one if we get one.

 

[Grey Fox]

Lurkers Comment:
Can be good to have a few beakers invested in alpha so its easier to trade for.
So now is a good time to switch if you intend to.

 

[LKendter]

We won't be able to get alpha in a trade. Look at what they want, it is almost nothing. Far to little go get alpha with.

 

[r_rolo1]

I gave a quick look at the save....

First, when did boudi got hands full? I would be willing to bet that her target is Wang, but ....

As Greyfox seems to be MIA, I'll do his part of .... why on earth is our cap working 2 unimproved non-riverside grass tiles? Putting it to grow mode ( working farm + rice ) will give us the oracle in the same way and atleast one more coin

Well, now the $ question.... do we expand more and rely on scientists for a while or do we start putting our empire in shape? I really would like to put one or two more cities running, but we are already @ 30% and with no prospects of rapid recovery...

Gspy ... settle or make a SY now? This will be a long game, so surely the SY will win at long run, but in short run settling wins ( and the 3 beakers of the settled Gspy would help )

On tech trading.... well, i really don't expect to be able to buy alpha in some usable time. Most surely we will need to do it in the good ol fashion

LK is up, Greyfox ( if around ) is on deck

 

[bestsss]

lurker's comment @Rolo:
why don't you trade whatever you take from oracle. On Monarch AI will trade CoL for alpha w/o even thinking twice?

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Looking good so far.. But there's still one question remaining: Why did you went for the Oracle in Uruk instead of Eridu while getting out another settler in Uruk? Please don't get me wong.. I won't blame you in any way I just wont to learn!

By the way Rammy has a settler on hands in Memphis so it seems he's getting the marble, gold, horse site..

For next turnset:
First I'd vote for finding green dot to get another production site online.. Meanwhile I'd switch Eridu from library to some more military as Boud is already in WHEOOHRN mode..
As I said earlier I'd still take CoL from Oracle and maybe we should tade this for alpha.. I'm not sure whether giving up a monopol, but this way we'd save quite a lot of turns..
After ABC I'd purpose currency next, as the trade roudes will pay for two more cities I think..

And settling the GSpy should be a no brainer!!

 

[LKendter]

It is in the queue.
Will wait to tomorrow for more ideas on Oracle tech and research path.

 

[nocho]

lurker's comment @Rolo:
why don't you trade whatever you take from oracle. On Monarch AI will trade CoL for alpha w/o even thinking twice?

Yeah, that's what I said as well, so I fail to see why LK and rolo say we can't get alpha in trade. MC has even higher beaker value than CoL, alpha should definitely be tradeable. Then I'd head for aesthetics.

Actually looked at the save now...

The capital can be microed to finsih Oracle and grow directly in 1 turn, I suggest we do that and start on a settler. If we can still get the gold/marble place that would be nice, otherwise that site south east (green dot?).

Kish can work silver for extra cash. I think in general the whip should be used more lavishly, personally would have whipped the zigg in Kish much sooner and the granary in Lagash.

Finally, I think Eridu needs some farms and agree with TS that it better focus on military instead of a library. The capital could use some cottages.

 

[r_rolo1]

Nobody will me if I say that i forgot that you get a tech with oracle, right? This is what you get for not making the oracle for quite a while I guess said that, not sure if we should take CoL from it : we have ziggurats from priesthood, the land is too food poor for caste system and we don't need the religion ( we still need budha for diplo BTW ) . Monarchy or MC look far more useful at this point, to be honest.

About settling the GSpy.... not exactly a no brainer SY + Ziggurat + Palace = settled GSpy in terms of by it self.... and given that we made the oracle in the same spot we had the GW, it is possible ( not likely, but possible ) that this GSpy is the last we have in this game

About settling ... maybe we could be bold and try to settle a city near boudica , in those FP in the west it is one of the better spots we can still settle, it would help block boudi ( that looks to be in the way of being the 200 kg gorilla of this game ) and would probably catch budha , a thing we sorely need for our diplo.... but it would clearly be a very expensive move to make as well.

 

[nocho]

No we won't you, maybe just , or . is a bit too drastic I suppose!

I'd take MC, for the highest beakers, maybe somebody would give monarchy for it if they have it, the other way around is more difficult.

Good point about the spy, maybe the SY is better, especially once we start using the spy slider. Edit: Ziggurat + Palace + Spy must be 18, that's better than (Ziggurat + Palace)*2=12. On second thought I like settling still better and hope that second GSpy will be born nonetheless, since slider use will be far away still.

Settling near Boudi may be asking for trouble... Why not just expand towards her later by force...?

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

About settling the GSpy.... not exactly a no brainer SY + Ziggurat + Palace = settled GSpy in terms of by it self.... and given that we made the oracle in the same spot we had the GW, it is possible ( not likely, but possible ) that this GSpy is the last we have in this game

As we'll be able to hire a spy with the Ziggurat that would make a 5:2 chance for the next Spy (yes bit less as we won't run the spy the same time oracle comes in..). So I'm pretty sure this spy won't be the last in this game..

About settling ... maybe we could be bold and try to settle a city near boudica , in those FP in the west it is one of the better spots we can still settle, it would help block boudi ( that looks to be in the way of being the 200 kg gorilla of this game ) and would probably catch budha , a thing we sorely need for our diplo.... but it would clearly be a very expensive move to make as well.

Agree to this idea.. But lets build the settler somewhere else than in Uruk in case we want to get him out as soon as possible.. As I said above I'd build a Ziggurat there to hire at least one spy..

Techwise: I'm fine with MC as well. As long as we won't bulb philo ivery soon MC even sounds to be the better idea!

 

[Silu]

Lurker harassment:

Nobody will me if I say that i forgot that you get a tech with oracle, right? This is what you get for not making the oracle for quite a while I guess said that, not sure if we should take CoL from it : we have ziggurats from priesthood, the land is too food poor for caste system and we don't need the religion ( we still need budha for diplo BTW ) . Monarchy or MC look far more useful at this point, to be honest.

About settling the GSpy.... not exactly a no brainer SY + Ziggurat + Palace = settled GSpy in terms of by it self.... and given that we made the oracle in the same spot we had the GW, it is possible ( not likely, but possible ) that this GSpy is the last we have in this game

I somehow find it immensely funny that you gave a full dissertation with complicated insight into why it's viable to build the Oracle and forgot why you're building it in the first place Ok ok, I'll stop harassing you now, I promise. Though it's your own fault for doing an interesting SG!

I'd consider settling the GSpy. More beakers and EP (as nocho pointed out) for now, and I strongly doubt it will be the last GSpy - I was under the impression you were going to run a lot of spy specialists later on. Shame that SY doesn't enable spy slots.

 

[r_rolo1]

Lurker harassment:

I somehow find it immensely funny that you gave a full dissertation with complicated insight into why it's viable to build the Oracle and forgot why you're building it in the first place Ok ok, I'll stop harassing you now, I promise. Though it's your own fault for doing an interesting SG!

I'd consider settling the GSpy. More beakers and EP (as nocho pointed out) for now, and I strongly doubt it will be the last GSpy - I was under the impression you were going to run a lot of spy specialists later on. Shame that SY doesn't enable spy slots.

Feel free to harass, as long as it is something constructive

About the GSpy: it seems that no one read what I wrote I said "SY + Ziggurat + Palace = settled GSpy" , not "SY + Ziggurat + Palace = settled GSpy + Palace + Ziggurat" That won't happen until we hire spies or notch the slider up ...

Which brings me to the point I wanted to refer in Silu's post. Technically we could think on running a lot of spies and we probably will do it in one dedicated city ( even if just to get Gspies for SYs ). The problems with doing that early are: a) the land we have here is food poor, so hiring a lot of specs is out, atleast until Bio b) if we start to put EP out, the Ai will try to cover our bet .... and the last thing we want is the AI spending precious resources in espionage when it could be buiding culture

Anyway, as this will be a LONG game, I seriously think that the best thing to do will be going SY all the way ... but again, the particular situation we have now might call for settling, even if for the beakers.

About the oracle tech: probably MC is the best thing to get. Sells well, opens a wonder, so the AI will be reluctant to broker it ( instead of us ) and as we have atleast one metal, forges will be helpful. Well, Monarchy also sells well and we have wines to improve, but probably it is not a wise idea to open Feudalism to the AI

 

[nocho]

I did read what you wrote, just wanted to point out that in the short term settling is better. But on second no, third, thought I'll agree to the SY. We don't really need spy points until well late in the game. Late game with all espionage buildings and the slider a SY in each city, at least every commerce city, of course will win hands down against a settled spy. Even if that's say 300 turns from now, we'd lose 300*6 points until then, but we'll catch those 1800 points up rather quickly with a SY in a city with jail, sec bureau, intelligence agency and the spy slider up.

So right now I'd vote to make a SY with every GSpy we may pop. Maybe I'll change my mind again on 4th thought though.

 

[LKendter]

My vote is Scotland Yard. In the later game we will come ahead. We will need a TON of EP to win this variant. We also need to find a super food heavy spot for GT & NE for an artist farm...
Spies will do most of the work, but I would like a few artist.

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Which brings me to the point I wanted to refer in Silu's post. Technically we could think on running a lot of spies and we probably will do it in one dedicated city ( even if just to get Gspies for SYs ). The problems with doing that early are: a) the land we have here is food poor, so hiring a lot of specs is out, atleast until Bio b) if we start to put EP out, the Ai will try to cover our bet .... and the last thing we want is the AI spending precious resources in espionage when it could be buiding culture

That seems to be the only reason not to settle the GSpy.. But in that case I won't even build SY eather. So for the moment let's keep him for scouting to decide later on (maybe after we got another GSpy) what to do with him!!