Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Pink Dot is an option.
Or we could continue to build an army. Raze Alexandria and build our own city.
Or we could continue to build an army. Raze Alexandria and build our own city.
RSG03 (Deity) - Random Attempt at Redemption
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It's getting quite late for another city, but assuming we want one, we should first ask 'why'.
If it's for coastal access to Tourism cargo ships, then it doesn't even have to be a very good city, but rather than deal with increased tech costs, and all the other things, we can just therefore plonk one down anywhere later in the game when our Tourism is high enough, in my view.
If it's for cargo ships for trade, or to have a 4th city making science,then it should be a better city. The pink spot is not good enough at all for this. A better spot is on the sheep, working the Marble as a first citizen. Later we can GG bomb for the Whales. Run a Food caravan there and it will be bigger in no time, and it has decent production.
But I think we have higher priorities, overall, and there is nothing wrong with 3 city Tradition without coastal cities, esp. when its not a continents map.
If it's for coastal access to Tourism cargo ships, then it doesn't even have to be a very good city, but rather than deal with increased tech costs, and all the other things, we can just therefore plonk one down anywhere later in the game when our Tourism is high enough, in my view.
If it's for cargo ships for trade, or to have a 4th city making science,then it should be a better city. The pink spot is not good enough at all for this. A better spot is on the sheep, working the Marble as a first citizen. Later we can GG bomb for the Whales. Run a Food caravan there and it will be bigger in no time, and it has decent production.
But I think we have higher priorities, overall, and there is nothing wrong with 3 city Tradition without coastal cities, esp. when its not a continents map.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Three cities is where we'll stay then.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Back to playing. We’ll stay with three cities for now.
Our ivory for citrus deal with Lizzy ran out.
IBT – Pachacuti wants to still be our banker. Not at the moment.
Then we get this good news:
Our ivory for citrus deal with Lizzy ran out.
IBT – Pachacuti wants to still be our banker. Not at the moment.
Then we get this good news:
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Here is the way the chess board lies at the start of the war. I think I read somewhere that the AI does a poor job of conducting warfare. I have to say that this is a pretty good starting position for the Assyrians.
I will try to maximize damage to units that can capture a city.
I will try to maximize damage to units that can capture a city.
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Oh dear, well it was fun playing with you. Nothing against you personally Bugsy, but that's an undefendable position. I'm sure he'll have Sinai really quickly and to lose a city at this stage means we can't really win. There's no shame in resigning if we don't want to play out the misery.
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stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
whelp, well that's it then. I suppose a 2-3 city Liberty CB rush may have worked
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Turn 106 Barely make a dent in the long sword. Take out a horse. Red line the siege tower.
Here is the present status:
Change our builds to comp bows.
IBT We lose the yellowed comp bow, but Ashy doesnt do much of anything except move around. If I had that position and those units, Paris sur Sinai would be mine. The AI is not a good tactical player.
Turn 107 Kill the siege tower and another horse. Bugsys civ education continues. I can see that I can find out a units promotions in the attack window. As expected Ashys forces are battle hardened. Most have the cover promotion which is why our ranged units arent making a dent.
Here is the present status:
Change our builds to comp bows.
IBT We lose the yellowed comp bow, but Ashy doesnt do much of anything except move around. If I had that position and those units, Paris sur Sinai would be mine. The AI is not a good tactical player.
Turn 107 Kill the siege tower and another horse. Bugsys civ education continues. I can see that I can find out a units promotions in the attack window. As expected Ashys forces are battle hardened. Most have the cover promotion which is why our ranged units arent making a dent.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
IBT – Lose an archer.
Turn 108 – Education is in. Select engineering next. Kill a spear. Yellow line a horse and a treb.
IBT – We lose another archer. Ashy’s behaviour is just bizarre. The Doge wants to do a research agreement. Sorry, I’m going to use that for an upgrade if I ever get a chance. Ramses enters the renaissance and we get a spy.
Turn 109 – A bunch of horses for gpt deals end with Pachacuti. Kill a horse and a warrior. Upgrade an archer. Sell the 3 horses back to Pachacuti for 2 gpt & 69g.
Put the new spy in Ashy's capitol.
Turn 108 – Education is in. Select engineering next. Kill a spear. Yellow line a horse and a treb.
IBT – We lose another archer. Ashy’s behaviour is just bizarre. The Doge wants to do a research agreement. Sorry, I’m going to use that for an upgrade if I ever get a chance. Ramses enters the renaissance and we get a spy.
Turn 109 – A bunch of horses for gpt deals end with Pachacuti. Kill a horse and a warrior. Upgrade an archer. Sell the 3 horses back to Pachacuti for 2 gpt & 69g.
Put the new spy in Ashy's capitol.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
IBT Lose an archer.
Turn 110 Paris sur Sinai took a hit from something. Maybe that redlined horse. Kill the horse. Redline another horse outside Paris sur Le Nil. Kill a comp bow and another horse. Get a great general.
Here is the present situation:
I would say all is lost if it wasnt for the bizarre tactics of the AI. Ill post the save and let the team decide how we want to proceed.
Turn 110 Paris sur Sinai took a hit from something. Maybe that redlined horse. Kill the horse. Redline another horse outside Paris sur Le Nil. Kill a comp bow and another horse. Get a great general.
Here is the present situation:
I would say all is lost if it wasnt for the bizarre tactics of the AI. Ill post the save and let the team decide how we want to proceed.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
If we wish to proceed (and right now I would suggest that we do):
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stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
Since it's still early, AI *might* accept white peace. It's kind of pointless though because he will come back to harass us soon after, so we further delay our proper path. I'd tech to workshops and get a pair of Pikes in between
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
What is our "proper path"? This is deity. I don't think there is some kind of formula that you have to follow to win.
stormtrooper412
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I mean in the sense of aiming for a culture victory.
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CV is the only VC for which you can't mess around too much with the path, ST is right. If we don't get Sistine, LtoP, GT or Uffizi, it's gonna be one of those hellish endgames. Right now we're seriously behind, so if we survive (which I think is really unlikely, since if all those Trebs fire the city is gone), we wouldn't be able to afford any more setbacks.
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
Ok, so, what's the plan? What's next for techs, SPs, faith? Looking at the numbers, we will get neither (maybe a tech though) but it's worth keeping an eye ahead.
I get that, immediately, I'm defending against the barbarian invasion from across the Great Wall of Tables Turned. That will occupy all of my preoccupation, gold and production. But do I try to sneak in infrastructure? Do I make horses, pikes or catas?
Got it, will play tomorrow most likely.
I get that, immediately, I'm defending against the barbarian invasion from across the Great Wall of Tables Turned. That will occupy all of my preoccupation, gold and production. But do I try to sneak in infrastructure? Do I make horses, pikes or catas?
Got it, will play tomorrow most likely.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Hi Jan. I'll slot you in here somewhere if we last that long. 
I was think we wanted to get to machinery and crossbows, that's why I went for engineering. As for infrastructure, when you can do infrastructure
, we need to replace our caravans for cash flow.
I was think we wanted to get to machinery and crossbows, that's why I went for engineering. As for infrastructure, when you can do infrastructure
, we need to replace our caravans for cash flow.
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
Plan
Tighten knuckles, grind teeth.
110, Pre-flight
Tech set to machinery, should start it within my set (1T + 5T to the pre-reqs)
Pledge protection for Tyre and reach 51 influence from 31.
Nuts!
IBT: All trebs (repeat: all trebs) move.
T 111:
Engineering -> Guilds
Kill 1 overexposed treb, misclick and fail to kill 1 pikeman
IBT: Lose 2 bows and our companion. Ouch.
T 112:
Nil CB -> Horseman
Kill a pike and 2 trebs
IBT: Decline OB with pacha
T 113:
2 units can capture sur-Sinaï next turn. I go see Ash and he's all like "Sure, this war is foolish. Let me write that down on my tablet, for posterity"
He takes white peace.
Embassies shared and Incense for copper, too. What a decent guy.
Immediately change builds to 2 caravans and 1 university. Units towards which we made progress remain in queue.
IBT: Give Ash open borders. I'd rather fight him on a single front, if it so helps his treb manoeuvers.
T 114:
Tyre opens a Tech quest. That's a promising way into a mercantile CS.
T 115:
Science quest from Kiev, right on time! Guilds -> Machinery
The zulus will go to war for a single gpt. Knock yourself out, buddy! (No, literally.)
IBT: Happiness is doing ok so I don't renew Shaka's silk for our 9gpt.
T 116:
Chop chop
IBT: Decline Pacha's research agreement, same as before: I'll buy a worker with that cash. Liz is living large with zulus at the gate and a Great Mosque in the capital.
T 117:
Buy a worker in the capital.
Grenoble Caravan -> CB (although university is tempting).
Caravan will go from Nil to Cusco methinks.
T 118:
Next caravan headed to Thebes. Now at +53 gpt. That's our crossbows.
T 119:
Quiet
T 120:
Grenoble and Sur-Sinaï are both islamist now.
State of the republic:
Notes:
London is about to fall, from the north as York is theirs still, to the invading zulus.
Pacha and Ramssess are still on top of the leaderboard by virtue of their wonders, religions and culture.
Not a single treb fired at us. Nice luck, but we need walls in Sur-Sinaï in case luck doesn't renew its subscription.
We're about to get a prophet of our own to even up the religious scales, now would be a good time to discuss enhancer's beliefs.
Depending on what VC path we want to undertake from this point, a detour through accoustics (as next tech) would open up the rationalism tree in time for our next SP.
There are no specialists hired anywhere as of yet. We might want to get Writer's guild in the capital before a uni.
To be remembered in 2 turnsets from now: blitz sailing and optics to boost us up for CS tech quests.
Roster:
janmagn <= ?
Olodune <= up?
Stormtrooper <= on deck?
Consentient
Bugs
Beorn <= just played
Tighten knuckles, grind teeth.
110, Pre-flight
Tech set to machinery, should start it within my set (1T + 5T to the pre-reqs)
Pledge protection for Tyre and reach 51 influence from 31.
Nuts!
IBT: All trebs (repeat: all trebs) move.
T 111:
Engineering -> Guilds
Kill 1 overexposed treb, misclick and fail to kill 1 pikeman
IBT: Lose 2 bows and our companion. Ouch.
T 112:
Nil CB -> Horseman
Kill a pike and 2 trebs
IBT: Decline OB with pacha
T 113:
2 units can capture sur-Sinaï next turn. I go see Ash and he's all like "Sure, this war is foolish. Let me write that down on my tablet, for posterity"
He takes white peace.
Embassies shared and Incense for copper, too. What a decent guy.
Immediately change builds to 2 caravans and 1 university. Units towards which we made progress remain in queue.
IBT: Give Ash open borders. I'd rather fight him on a single front, if it so helps his treb manoeuvers.
T 114:
Tyre opens a Tech quest. That's a promising way into a mercantile CS.
T 115:
Science quest from Kiev, right on time! Guilds -> Machinery
The zulus will go to war for a single gpt. Knock yourself out, buddy! (No, literally.)
IBT: Happiness is doing ok so I don't renew Shaka's silk for our 9gpt.
T 116:
Chop chop
IBT: Decline Pacha's research agreement, same as before: I'll buy a worker with that cash. Liz is living large with zulus at the gate and a Great Mosque in the capital.
T 117:
Buy a worker in the capital.
Grenoble Caravan -> CB (although university is tempting).
Caravan will go from Nil to Cusco methinks.
T 118:
Next caravan headed to Thebes. Now at +53 gpt. That's our crossbows.
T 119:
Quiet
T 120:
Grenoble and Sur-Sinaï are both islamist now.
State of the republic:
Spoiler Tech :
Spoiler Demographics :
Spoiler Overview :
Notes:
London is about to fall, from the north as York is theirs still, to the invading zulus.
Spoiler :
Pacha and Ramssess are still on top of the leaderboard by virtue of their wonders, religions and culture.
Spoiler :
Not a single treb fired at us. Nice luck, but we need walls in Sur-Sinaï in case luck doesn't renew its subscription.
We're about to get a prophet of our own to even up the religious scales, now would be a good time to discuss enhancer's beliefs.
Spoiler :
Depending on what VC path we want to undertake from this point, a detour through accoustics (as next tech) would open up the rationalism tree in time for our next SP.
There are no specialists hired anywhere as of yet. We might want to get Writer's guild in the capital before a uni.
To be remembered in 2 turnsets from now: blitz sailing and optics to boost us up for CS tech quests.
Roster:
janmagn <= ?
Olodune <= up?
Stormtrooper <= on deck?
Consentient
Bugs
Beorn <= just played
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