Russia's Unique Trait ISN'T Russian Winter?

[Walderschmidt]

I don't really like the idea of a Castle UB for the Russian. There are really good UU that Russia could get instead for example Strelzi (replaces Musketman), T-34(replaces tank), T-72 (replaces Modern Armor), a better nuclear sub or VDV troops( replaces paratrooper).
Considering the Russian created the first airborne forces, they should get a better paratrooper.

You are incorrect. The Germans were the first use paratroopers which they used extensively at the beginning of WW2. It was only after the costly operation at Crete, that Germany stopped using the Fallschirmjaegers as paratroopers for fear of their use being too costly. Fallschirmjaegers were then used as elite ground troops for the rest of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratrooper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallschirmjäger

Impressed by the German attack on Crete and their use of Fallschirmjaegers, the allies (U.S.A. and Great Britain) started to use paratroopers, their use being crtical and extensiv on D-Day.

Wald

 

[King Jason]

Another thing to note; Since cities are largely responsible for their own defense in civ5, unable to be defended by a stack of troops and having their own set of hit-points and whatever other defensive capabilities that get augmented by defensive/military buildings constructed within the city... Having a Fort UB might prove much more useful in this incarnation of civ than in previous ones.

 

[mechaerik]

Geographic traits don't make a lot of sense when in any particular game, Russia may start in the tundra or the tropics.

They could have just called it "Mother Russia" or something (like it used to be called) and make the description say that you suffer attrition damage. No need to make a geographical link.

 

[Schuesseled]

I know, it's just Russian castles\fortresses aren't that famous. Now that I think about it, it seems devs want to make Russia defense\industrial oriented.

Have you not heard of the Gulag?

 

[-FC-Commando]

How about polit buro, replaces barracks and gives +50% military production like military academy.

 

[civ_king]

You are incorrect. The Germans were the first use paratroopers which they used extensively at the beginning of WW2. It was only after the costly operation at Crete, that Germany stopped using the Fallschirmjaegers as paratroopers for fear of their use being too costly. Fallschirmjaegers were then used as elite ground troops for the rest of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratrooper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallschirmjäger

Impressed by the German attack on Crete and their use of Fallschirmjaegers, the allies (U.S.A. and Great Britain) started to use paratroopers, their use being crtical and extensiv on D-Day.

Wald

from your link

In 1935, Captain Geille of the French Air Force created the Avignon-Pujaut Paratroopers Schools after he trained in Moscow at the Soviet Airborne Academy. From this, the French military created two combat units called Groupes d’Infanterie de l’Air.

the Soviets took it up to eleven

 

[wolf_brother]

Yeah but THEY GOT OWNED BY POLAND!

Spoiler :

 

[civ_king]

Wojtek much?

 

[Aeon221]

They could have just called it "Mother Russia" or something (like it used to be called) and make the description say that you suffer attrition damage. No need to make a geographical link.

Or they could call it "but I am le tired"

 

[Mustakrakish]

I'm surprised that Russia's ability is not "AAH MOTHERLAND".
Anyway, their UB Krepost is making even less sense to me than US B-17. Anyone feels the same ?

Yeah I feel the same. Krepost doesn't make any sense and I'm fairly familiar with Russian history.

As I understand not every civ gets both UU and UB, some have 2 UU, so why not do the same with Russia ? As I said in other thread, I would love to see T-34 as Russia's UU, it's as famous as Panzers.

Yep that would make more sense for me too.
I think it's because panzers became iconic for civ and it wouldn't make sense to have 2 unique units in the same category from the same era. Building an army of panzers only to get pwned by an army of t-34

I'm not sure what would make a good UB for Russia.

Given that, russian fortresses are as worthy of making unique as anything. Presumably it replaces castles.

In short, NONE!

I hope there would be 2 UU and 1 UB for every civ.

Not happening.

Have you not heard of the Gulag?

Uh, irrelevant. One infamous prison should should explain castles as UB's?

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EDIT: Uh and regarding the Riches of Siberia, considering you won't be playing in Siberia, that name is making me nervous. If Russia will start near or on tundra, that makes me even more nervous. That would be just annoying. It's not like all of Russia lays on tundra and it's not like Russians can utilize tundra better that say Canadians or US in Alaska.

 

[onedreamer]

I would love to see T-34 as Russia's UU, it's as famous as Panzers.

uhm... no, they aren't.

 

[Dragonflow]

You are incorrect. The Germans were the first use paratroopers which they used extensively at the beginning of WW2. It was only after the costly operation at Crete, that Germany stopped using the Fallschirmjaegers as paratroopers for fear of their use being too costly. Fallschirmjaegers were then used as elite ground troops for the rest of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratrooper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallschirmjäger

Impressed by the German attack on Crete and their use of Fallschirmjaegers, the allies (U.S.A. and Great Britain) started to use paratroopers, their use being crtical and extensiv on D-Day.

Wald

Well the Germans were the first to use Paras in combat, but the Russian created some of the worlds first Paratrooper divisions and after WWII the Soviets had the largest and best airborne force in the world. So a better Para makes more sense as a Russian UU rather then for any other Civ, except Britain and the US.

 

[Mustakrakish]

uhm... no, they aren't.

uhm... yes, they are

 

[Alki]

Anyone who knows anything about ww2 knows T34s.

Not that they were particularly better than the German counterparts, they weren't, but they were very simple engineering and were cheap and simple to make. And Russia made lots and lots and lots of them.

In fact German tanks, 1 on 1 v a T34, were better designed, and more well made but we didn't see the numbers of Panthers, Stugs or Tigers that we did T34. A T34 UU would be cheaper to produce than other tanks. Much cheaper.

 

[Souron]

Surely Katusha's are more famous then some tank.

 

[Alki]

Some tank? It was most highly produced tank of the war and one of the most highly produced tanks of all time.

 

[civ_king]

Yeah I feel the same. Krepost doesn't make any sense and I'm fairly familiar with Russian history.



Yep that would make more sense for me too.
I think it's because panzers became iconic for civ and it wouldn't make sense to have 2 unique units in the same category from the same era. Building an army of panzers only to get pwned by an army of t-34



In short, NONE!



Not happening.



Uh, irrelevant. One infamous prison should should explain castles as UB's?

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EDIT: Uh and regarding the Riches of Siberia, considering you won't be playing in Siberia, that name is making me nervous. If Russia will start near or on tundra, that makes me even more nervous. That would be just annoying. It's not like all of Russia lays on tundra and it's not like Russians can utilize tundra better that say Canadians or US in Alaska.

Siberia would also have lots of plains

 

[deanej]

uhm... yes, they are

No, they aren't. I've never heard of them but I have heard of Panzers.

 

[Mustakrakish]

No, they aren't. I've never heard of them but I have heard of Panzers.

And you are... a representative of humankind?
If history knowledge or general common knowledge is not enough, if you need a popular reference, watch the "top 10 tanks ever" or something like that by BBC maybe, I don't remember.
I could use the same "argument" about panzers. I first heard of T-34. Yet I'm not stating T-34 being more significant/famous/whatever. Don't take this in a bad way, but ALL people I know (with whom I talked about ww2) seemed to know about T-34 as much as panzers.
I myself don't exactly know what panzer supposed to be. What are panzers? A generalization of German tanks of ww2? There were as far as I know what? 7 models? Panzer I, panzer II, panzer III, panzer IV, panzer V panther, panzer VI tiger, panzer VII tiger II. T-34 is one famous model, clear and simple. As I pointed out I understand panzers being iconic in civ and why they're used.

From our loved wikipedia :

The invasion of the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa signalled an enormous change in German tank development. In July 1941 36 Panzer and motorized infantry divisions were assigned to the invasion fielding over 3000 AFV's. In June 1941, these tanks first encountered the Soviet T-34 and the German tanks were outclassed in every aspect of battle performance.

Something is not right here...

 

[Mustakrakish]

Siberia would also have lots of plains

lol well that just changes everything