Rust movie shooting: Alex Baldwin on Trial

[Zardnaar]

The real bullets shouldn't have been on set. Or even anywhere close.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The real bullets shouldn't have been on set. Or even anywhere close.

Yes, and the armorer has been convicted.

 

[Farm Boy]

Actors can not be expected to examine prop firearms and deduce whether they are safe or not. That's why you have an expert on set with that specific responsibility and training.

Should actors also be responsible for examining a car and its brakes, throttle, engine, steering column and so on, before they enter and drive in it while shooting a scene? No, because that's ridiculous. That's the prop masters job.

It wasn't a prop. And yes. If you are pointing a gun at somebody, it has one. ****ing. trigger.

Res ipsa. Actor, hiring agent, producer, killer.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

...So when is the movie coming out? Or will this be like that Jerry Lewis clown movie?

 

[amadeus]

Or will this be like that Jerry Lewis clown movie?

Now THIS is the movie I really want to see.

Idea: make all actors pass mandatory background checks, a gun safety course, and stringent licensing subject to mental health checks and reviews. See how Tim Robbins likes it.

 

[EvaDK]

It wasn't a prop.

Any inanimate object that an actor interacts with in a film, is by definition a prop.

I have no idea of your motive to deny that classification in this instance.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

It wasn't a prop.

Yes, it was. Things that are touched, handled, etc. are props. Speaking from experience here, as someone who worked backstage in musical theatre - mostly on the props crews.

As I mentioned upthread, sometimes props included guns. The only ones I ever dared handle were the ones that had no ammunition of any kind, or were deliberately constructed to look like a gun but not actually be capable of shooting anything.

One rule about any weapon on a set or stage, whether it's a gun, knife, sword, or something else is that you do NOT aim it at someone unless it's time to use it in an actual scene, rehearsal, or publicity shot and the director or other person in charge (ie. fight coordinator) tells you to.

Here's an example of what not to do on a set:

There is no way in hell that Angel Coulby (Guinevere) should have been allowed to horse around on the BBC Merlin set by holding a sword like that. This isn't from any scene in the series, they weren't rehearsing, and it's not among the publicity shots. This was just the actress recklessly pointing a sword at Bradley James (Arthur) and if anyone had jostled her, she could have actually injured him.

 

[Farm Boy]

Any inanimate object that an actor interacts with in a film, is by definition a prop.

I have no idea of your motive to deny that classification in this instance.

It's a gun.

 

[EvaDK]

It's a gun.

It's a prop firearm.

"A prop gun is a gun or gun replica that is used primarily by movie and television productions or in theatre performances. As a prop, these guns can be divided into non-firing guns (replicas) and firing guns (firearms)."

"Prop firearms are either real guns or specifically made to be blank firing only."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prop_gun#:~:text=triggered muzzle flash.-,Firearms as props,does not have a bullet.

Also, it seems you ignored @Valka D'Ur explaining what a prop is, despite his experience working with props himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prop

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm addressing my conversation with intent.

It remains a gun even if somebody decides to play with it.

 

[Samson]

It is a gun and has all the attributes of a gun, like that it should be handled with care.

It is a prop and has all the attributes of a prop, like it needs to be "played" with.

 

[Farm Boy]

People who kill thier friends in stupid ways while playing with guns are manslaughterers.

Same with cars, and absolute morons like to play with both. Smart people, too.

A bullet in a revolver is not a malfunction.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Also, it seems you ignored @Valka D'Ur explaining what a prop is, despite his experience working with props himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prop

Thank you. Farm Boy tends to not take me seriously even at times when I know exactly what I'm talking about. It's annoying, but expected.

In addition to theatre work, I also spent 12 years in the Society for Creative Anachronism. Modern health and safety is paramount in that organization. You don't mess around with weapons unless you're engaging in training, participating in a court ceremony, or you're doing actual combat. And even then, if a marshal tells you to stop, you don't argue. You stop what you're doing IMMEDIATELY.

Oh, btw... I'm a woman. Pronouns are she/her.

 

[Farm Boy]

I ignore you because the conversations are unpleasant and you've never managed to teach me something I didn't know.

Odds rate the posts beneath reading. Now that we're into rude metaconveration.

 

[Gorbles]

I'm addressing my conversation with intent.

It remains a gun even if somebody decides to play with it.

But that doesn't make it not a prop.

Again, I think the usual problem here is the lack of an explicit point around the semantics, here. And if I'm parsing you right, on this I actually share in your blame of Baldwin. So it's not like I'm coming at this cross-purpose.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I ignore you because the conversations are unpleasant and you've never managed to teach me something I didn't know.

You've never been open to learning things you didn't know, or that contradict your already- set in concrete opinions. I'm not going to compromise what I know to be correct just so you can have a pleasant conversation. The person who goes out of their way to be rude in these instances isn't me.

I'm not the one who first noticed you ignoring me, btw. But it would be nice if you could, just this once, realize that by virtue of my having years of RL experience with things like this issue with prop weapons, I'm right.

 

[Farm Boy]

Tell me more about religion, oh learned one. I could use some more royal in my life.

Nah. You're just consistently a demeaning jerk and I'm over it.

 

[Lexicus]

Actors can not be expected to examine prop firearms and deduce whether they are safe or not. That's why you have an expert on set with that specific responsibility and training.

Should actors also be responsible for examining a car and its brakes, throttle, engine, steering column and so on, before they enter and drive in it while shooting a scene? No, because that's ridiculous. That's the prop masters job.

Baldwin was an executive producer on the film

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Baldwin was an executive producer on the film

I thought the primary role of any [Qualified] Producer was "taking a cut of the profits", rather than actually doing anything or being expected to do anything?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I thought the primary role of any [Qualified] Producer was "taking a cut of the profits", rather than actually doing anything or being expected to do anything?

As mentioned, the producer is responsible for everything to do with a production, regardless of whether they're personally involved.