I'm not that enthusiastic about going for conquest either. When the game's won I normally like to play it out quickly to it's natural conlusion. We did it in S-02, so I think the novelty factor's over. However, I agree with Asperger that it would have been cheesey to win without taking on the strongest AI, but we've done that and proved we have the best trained army on this landmass so I would be in favour of going for the domination win.
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angeleyes
mood indigo
sooooo said:
Look at Isabelles power graphic, it's 2x as high as ours. I just don't like winning an aggressive game with domination while there is an opponent which power is bigger than ours (but the AI is too stupid to attack us).
I agree with domination if every other civ is weaker than we are but that's not the case here imo.
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
ahh - Its me. This is a 'got it'. Is this game showing that deity is 'easy' if you remove the tech component?
Well it's easy if you don't have to build libraries and cottages too! I quite like this variant, especially the huge armies the AIs have. I think it may have some legs. I wish there was a setting where the AIs had the production bonusses like they do here, and are as aggressive, but don't storm away in tech.
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
My aim this round was to take four english cities and relegate Lizzie to two cities on an island to the West and 1 tiny city on the mainland but squeezed behind one of Alex's cities in the South. Here are the four cities that I have targetted ...
My secondary aim was to get us ready to attack Bella. We have a very very long front with Bella and so any attack would leave lots of holes for counter attacks. I have sent all units built during my round to border cities. Bella has also reinforced those two little towns on the East - sending forces through our lands. There wasn't much I could do about that because we needed open borders to fight Lizzie.
From memory, I build a few buildings (whipping barracks in newly captured cities that would have starved anyway). All other units ordered up were Artillery. I am still waiting for someone else to discover Assembly Line. I also dialed down our tech to build up some cash to upgrade all of our units to infantry when possible.
We have tonnes of units designed to take Warwick and Nottingham (North West) but only a handful of units in the area to take Coventry and Phrygina (ex-barb city?). The battle for Warwich, Nottingham and Coventry were just a matter of moving units around, bombing down the walls, suiciding a few artillary (or not - these units rock) and killing off the remaining units. Lizzie was stuck behind her walls just waiting for the axe to fall. She had plenty of chances of attacking and killing off some units but only attacked 6 times - she won 4, lost 2 ... and get this result ... one of her losses!!!!
While defending, Rifleman defeats (3.50/14): English Infantry (Prob Victory: 4.1%) ... that probability of victory is for OUR unit!
This lack of aggression from the AIs make these games a lot easier than they should be. Here is the result of her inactivity ...
The only city that I was having trouble with was Phrygina - I just didn't have enough units and I didn't send any down there - wanted to populate the cities for the Bella attack. I went close but ... Anyway, there are four unpromoted artillary on their way (NOW) and some heavily injured units heading back to coventry to heal ... here is the situation ...
Here is my suggested attack plan for Bella ...
... and here are the units that we have at our disposal ...
... and our power curve with the insert showing the power situation at the start of my round ...
The Save
My secondary aim was to get us ready to attack Bella. We have a very very long front with Bella and so any attack would leave lots of holes for counter attacks. I have sent all units built during my round to border cities. Bella has also reinforced those two little towns on the East - sending forces through our lands. There wasn't much I could do about that because we needed open borders to fight Lizzie.
From memory, I build a few buildings (whipping barracks in newly captured cities that would have starved anyway). All other units ordered up were Artillery. I am still waiting for someone else to discover Assembly Line. I also dialed down our tech to build up some cash to upgrade all of our units to infantry when possible.
We have tonnes of units designed to take Warwick and Nottingham (North West) but only a handful of units in the area to take Coventry and Phrygina (ex-barb city?). The battle for Warwich, Nottingham and Coventry were just a matter of moving units around, bombing down the walls, suiciding a few artillary (or not - these units rock) and killing off the remaining units. Lizzie was stuck behind her walls just waiting for the axe to fall. She had plenty of chances of attacking and killing off some units but only attacked 6 times - she won 4, lost 2 ... and get this result ... one of her losses!!!!
While defending, Rifleman defeats (3.50/14): English Infantry (Prob Victory: 4.1%) ... that probability of victory is for OUR unit!
This lack of aggression from the AIs make these games a lot easier than they should be. Here is the result of her inactivity ...
The only city that I was having trouble with was Phrygina - I just didn't have enough units and I didn't send any down there - wanted to populate the cities for the Bella attack. I went close but ... Anyway, there are four unpromoted artillary on their way (NOW) and some heavily injured units heading back to coventry to heal ... here is the situation ...
Here is my suggested attack plan for Bella ...
... and here are the units that we have at our disposal ...
... and our power curve with the insert showing the power situation at the start of my round ...
Spoiler log :
The Save
A well presented report as usual Ruff 
. Hmm, looks like we are about to start a war with a much more powerful AI, now who could be up to take the toughest few turns? ... Oh it's Cosmichail! 
This SG is going to make Cosmic an expert in defending against huge AI stacks 
. Or maybe we need a 10 turn breather to finish off Lizzy and position our forces. Don't know because I can't look at the save yet.
sooooo
mike p
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Cosmichail - UP
blid - On Deck
Asperger
. Hmm, looks like we are about to start a war with a much more powerful AI, now who could be up to take the toughest few turns? ... Oh it's Cosmichail! This SG is going to make Cosmic an expert in defending against huge AI stacks . Or maybe we need a 10 turn breather to finish off Lizzy and position our forces. Don't know because I can't look at the save yet.sooooo
mike p
ruff_hi - Just Played
Cosmichail - UP
blid - On Deck
Asperger
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Take a look tonight and likely get it tonight too.
I guess I will sound like a scratched disk but greek lands are more than enough for the domination limit and far more easy to take with the choking point. Like Ruff said, we have a long borderline hard to defend with spain.
I would surely understand attacking spain for the challenge but we should wait until we complete the railroad network on those borders and the next line inside before attacking. We should make this workers priority. With the 10 movement points, we would easily defend against spain, at least on our side of the map
I would surely understand attacking spain for the challenge but we should wait until we complete the railroad network on those borders and the next line inside before attacking. We should make this workers priority. With the 10 movement points, we would easily defend against spain, at least on our side of the map
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
my worker actions were railroads on productive tiles (woodmills, mines) and then connections to the cities
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Will be playing later today.
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Turn 1
Worker stuff
Move artillery toward wounded stack at Coventry
Turn 2
Kara starts a destroyer
London starts a destroyer
Troop movement
Turn 3
We discover assembly line.
Cori starts infantry
Coventry out of revolt start theater
Turn 4
Olmec starts infantry
Philly starts infantry
Worker stuff
WW is bad right now.
Turn 5
Going to take Phrygian and settle for peace with Lizzy
She is weakened quite a bit and won’t threaten us anymore.
Soon we need to take on the monster Izzy.
Kara builds infantry
Whip theater in Coventry
Turn 6
Hua starts barracks
We take Phrygian
Made peace with Lizzy. Starting buildup for Izzy now. She gave us Leeds and gifted it to Alex and he is pleased now but won’t go to war with Izzy.
(Alterior motive for taking leeds. One less city for Liz and another city that costs Alex.)
Turn 7
Worker stuff
WB finished in Kara
Turn 8
Nott out of revolt start theater
Stacks in: London, Phrygian, New York, Beshbalik
Upgrade few rifles to infantry
Turn 9
Olly aqueduct
Atlanta starts factory
Teno starts factory
Tlateloko starts inf
Tiwan starts inf
Turn 10
Kara finishes infantry
Worker stuff
Upgrade a few rifles to inf
Move units
Turn 11
Olmec starts aqueduct
Some tactical info for the war:
Turn 12
After looking thinking about declaring.
Washington start infantry.
Isabella builds Apollo
Texcoco finishes sam start infantry
Turn 13 (wartime)
Olly starts destroyer
We discover electricity
We declare war on Isabella
Turn 14
We loose a few nothing too serious.
I expected more from Isabella.
Infantry takes out cavalry
Infantry takes out cavalry
Artillery takes out cavalry
Artillery takes out cavalry
Take out 3 more cavalry and 2 artillery
Turn 15
Phrygian comes out of revolt and start theater.
Lots of cavalry/sams attack Washington
It would appear Izzy has lots of cavalry which many showed up at Karakorum.
She emptied out Minaon (two inf and one sam left)
Take out 7 or 8 cavalry at Kara only a few wounded left.
We take Oxford.
The Save
Worker stuff
Move artillery toward wounded stack at Coventry
Turn 2
Kara starts a destroyer
London starts a destroyer
Troop movement
Turn 3
We discover assembly line.
Cori starts infantry
Coventry out of revolt start theater
Turn 4
Olmec starts infantry
Philly starts infantry
Worker stuff
WW is bad right now.
Turn 5
Going to take Phrygian and settle for peace with Lizzy
She is weakened quite a bit and won’t threaten us anymore.
Soon we need to take on the monster Izzy.
Kara builds infantry
Whip theater in Coventry
Turn 6
Hua starts barracks
We take Phrygian
Made peace with Lizzy. Starting buildup for Izzy now. She gave us Leeds and gifted it to Alex and he is pleased now but won’t go to war with Izzy.
(Alterior motive for taking leeds. One less city for Liz and another city that costs Alex.)
Turn 7
Worker stuff
WB finished in Kara
Turn 8
Nott out of revolt start theater
Stacks in: London, Phrygian, New York, Beshbalik
Upgrade few rifles to infantry
Turn 9
Olly aqueduct
Atlanta starts factory
Teno starts factory
Tlateloko starts inf
Tiwan starts inf
Turn 10
Kara finishes infantry
Worker stuff
Upgrade a few rifles to inf
Move units
Turn 11
Olmec starts aqueduct
Some tactical info for the war:
Turn 12
After looking thinking about declaring.
Washington start infantry.
Isabella builds Apollo
Texcoco finishes sam start infantry
Turn 13 (wartime)
Olly starts destroyer
We discover electricity
We declare war on Isabella
Turn 14
We loose a few nothing too serious.
I expected more from Isabella.
Infantry takes out cavalry
Infantry takes out cavalry
Artillery takes out cavalry
Artillery takes out cavalry
Take out 3 more cavalry and 2 artillery
Turn 15
Phrygian comes out of revolt and start theater.
Lots of cavalry/sams attack Washington
It would appear Izzy has lots of cavalry which many showed up at Karakorum.
She emptied out Minaon (two inf and one sam left)
Take out 7 or 8 cavalry at Kara only a few wounded left.
We take Oxford.
The Save
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
And so it starts - good job. Next, someone will be mentioned that a domination victory where we didn't attack Alex isn't really a domination victory 
angeleyes
mood indigo
ruff_hi said:And so it starts - good job. Next, someone will be mentioned that a domination victory where we didn't attack Alex isn't really a domination victory
you are absolutely right
in my solo games i've rarely reached the modern times, maybe that's why i want to lengthen this game. But from now on i agree with everything. I'm sure Blid now is going to give me enormous stacks and an exhausted Bella
angeleyes
mood indigo
have a nice evening, i can wait
Edit: i see, France is taking revenge against Italy....
Edit: i see, France is taking revenge against Italy....
angeleyes
mood indigo
OK, got it
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