Sana03 - Who ate the RaR scientists?

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Thanks a lot for the RaR enlightenment

I've winded up a few games on my own, so I'm starting to find my way in the AA/MA/IA trees. Modern to be studied soon. That way I'll be a bit less ignorant for future reference

 

[namliaM]

Preturn
LOL the workers near Hiva and Hao are like I left them ...
Nothing to do... Mostly as I am a bit lost...

IT Haraiki Bombard> Toll House
Jenne Monument> Forge
Jenne> Sell Philosopers school, Sell Worker Housing
Tonga Market> Toll House
Taenga WIndmill> Toll House
Japan Start Circus Maximus

1@960AD Treb Hits, New Defender
Hold on the attack untill the Trebs can "get down"
Trade Gunpowder to Ottomans for Education+476
Gift England up to speed .... So they can slow down the ever advancing Ottoman
Gao: Sell Philo school, Worker Housing
Timbuktu: Cool Counselor, Sell Worker Housing
Trondheim: Sell Workerhousing
Bergen: Sell Philo School, Worker Housing, School Of Scribes

IT: Haraiki Toll House> Bank
Manihi Elephant Rider> Toll House
Manuhangi Forge> Port

2@970AD Trebs Reveal there are 3 defenders at Diffa, taking 6 hp in total
Templar (5/5) Attack 2/4 Pike in Diffa, lose 2hp
6/6 Elephant Attack 2/4 Pike in Diffa, Take 1 hp, Elephant dead...
6/6 Elephant Attack 2/4 Pike in Diffa, Perfect kill, Ah the RNG
6/6 Elephant Attack 1/4 Pike in Diffa, Perfect kill, Take settler and a worker
Take Diffa> Harbor
Switch timbuktu to Port
CA says Bergen, Jenne & Timbuktu are about to Riot, I check but all is OK.
Must have been WW.

IT:Ottomans want to talk> Trade Terr map + Phisics for Terr map+ 777g
Bangalore Wind Mill> Toll House MM it a little to grow still in 2 but get some extra commerce.
Pukapuka Market> Toll House
Calcutta Forge> Wind Mill
Karachi Major Port> Forge
Niau Riots?! That was not even on CA?! Change engeneer into clown
Nuka Hiua Roits?! Again not on CA?! Change engeneer into clown
Hikueru riots?! Create Engineer
Fangataufa Riots Create Engineer
Manuhangi riots Create Engineer
Lose supplies of silk & Cotton, That may just be the reason for the riots...

3@980 Create 3 engineers in Delhi, cost: 2gpt
Change Lahore to TOll house
Change Bombay to Guil Hall

IT: Mongols and Arabs sign a trade embargo against us... Oooh....
Tikei Guild Hall> Toll House
Manihi Toll House> Bank
Tonga Toll House> Guild Hall

4@990

IT: Sioux come calling He overs tea in trade for Gems + 28gpt, Not about to feed the beast...
Hiva Forge> Toll House (Change Clown to Engineer)
Fata Huka Guild Hall> Toll Hall
Ua Pou Guild Hall> Bazaar
Akiaki Market> Wind Mill
Aratika Spearman> Courthouse
Mataiva Forge> Port

5@1000 The pref turn a mongol Kublai transport slipped thru Near Bergen
Junk 5/5 attack 3/3 Kublai Perfect kill.
Create Engeneer in Bergen
Lhore Toll House> Bazaar
Change Delhi to 3 bankers
Change Jenne to harbor
Change to banker from engineer in Bergen
Create 4 Engineers in Bangalore to finish Toll house in 1
Change engineer to Clown In Tokelau

IT: Tikei Toll House> Courthouse

6@1010 Not much... (Short-)Rush everything everywhere that I think will work.
Treasury starts at 7.134, ends at 1.212. Spend nearly 6.000 on rushing... LOL

IT: Delhi Wind Mill> Town clock (with 4 engineers)
Bergen Wind Mill> Major Port (to Replace Aqueduct, save 1gpt)
Bangalore Toll House> Bazaar
PukaPuka Toll house> Cavalier
Timbuktu Port> Courthouse
Tematagi Port> Major Port
Calcutta Toll House> Bazaar
Hiva Toll House> Bazaar (+ change banker into Engineer)
Karachi Toll House> Bazaar
Fata Huka Toll House> Cavalier
Mataiva Port> Major Port
Taenga Toll House> Bazaar
Nuka Hiua Port> Major Port
Tokelau Forge> Port
Tureia Major Port> Toll house
Fangataufa Courthouse> Toll house

7@1020 zzz

IT: Haraiki Bank> Cavalier
Bombay Guild Hall> Toll House
Tikei Courthouse > Cavelier
Tatakoko Forge > Bazaar
Knights Templar> Templar
Tonga Guild Hall> Bank
Ua Pou Bazaar> Toll House
Akiaki Town Clock> Slave Market
Hatutu Town Clock> (Sell worker housing) Courthouse
Reaowr Town Clock> Slave Market MM For much more food (4 vs 1) less shields tho (only 5)
Ottoman Start Magellans Voyage

8@1030 Change Engineer in Thuata to clown

IT
Lose spices & Wool
New trade: BAH! 7g+4gpt+Education+Tropical Fruit+ Furs+ Gems for spices and wool...
It should only affect the main island, and everybody is very happy there. I skip it...
Madras Guild Hall> Slave Market
Darn Bergen Riots, create a clown, This may be much bigger Skip thru everything, seems to be OK...
Manihi Bank> Cavalier
Hao Courthouse> Bazaar
Tahuata Courthouse> Bazaar
Herheretua Wind Mill> Bazaar
Hikueru Courthouse> Port
Sioux start Magellans Voyage

9@1040 !!!! Magnetism is out there !!!! Get it !!!! Get it !!!! Must have it !!!!
First I renew the deal with Japan, Get Spices, Wool and Terr map and give Physics, Tropical Fruit, Gems, 83g
Ottoman wants Horses For Magnetism, No no ... Make that 938g instead...
MM Everything
Change Delhi to Bazaar & Shortrush it to 1 turn
Change Trondheim To port
Change Tikei to Bank & Shortrush it
Change Jenne to Courthouse and rush it
Bergen put clown back to work
Rush the Major port in Tematagi
Rush the port in Tokelau.

Except for "specialist farms" there are no more specialist in our empire!!! Kewl

Hmz, I want want want the East India Company

IT: Haraiki Cavalier> Cavalier
Delhi Bazaar> Slave market (Turn engineers into Bankers, no wasting engineer shields!)
Bombay Toll House> Slave Market
Jenne Courthouse> Harbor
Tematagi Major Port> Toll House
Diffa Harbor> Courthouse
Ua Pou Toll House> Slave Market
Akiaki Slave Market> Toll house
Marutea Major Port> Courthouse
Tokelau Port> Major Port

10@1050 Upgrade trebs To Bombards
Upgrade Swordman To Bushi

Sioux just got Political Philosophy
I left very little in the Kitty for the next set. Only 93g Earning now 780 gpt! comming from 561 10 turns ago. Them Toll Houses, markets, banks and all are doing their jobs properly ...
We can do with 1 or 2 pioneers to settle some near lost spots. eg. West of GAO and N of Fangataufa.

Most units we have are at or around Bergen (near all bombards, just upgraded them, are in Trondheim)
There probably are some units left on Goto's, Sorry for that. But I did not realise my turnset was up... Its all good (I hope)

We are Matchlock down on Sioux and Ottoman. And Political Philo down to the Sioux extra.
I have not exchanged anything with the Mongols, fighting... that is.. I only took 1 boat (load) But the troops are (near) ready to start landing if we want.
Due to the little warring, no MGL and NO IP.
As for the International Port locations, in order of Commerce gain:

Name     Corrupt Court WaterTiles Waste +Commerce +Shields
Hatutu       15%     N         15   15%     12.75    12.75
PukaPuka     11%     N         12    7%     10.68    11.16
Hereheretua  37%     Y         16   25%     10.08    12
Madras       20%     Y (CI)    11   13%      8.8      9.57
Haraiki       0% Capitol        6    0%      6        6
Taenga       46%     Y         11   46%      5.94     5.94
Reaowr       45%     Y         10   33%      5.5      6.7

The top 3 are very close together...

Oops there it is

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

I'd go with Hatutu, who'll benefit even more from it with a court. Nice chart

 

[sanabas]

Jenne> Sell Philosopers school, Sell Worker Housing
Gao: Sell Philo school, Worker Housing
Bergen: Sell Philo School, Worker Housing, School Of Scribes

Name     Corrupt Court WaterTiles Waste +Commerce +Shields
Hatutu       15%     N         15   15%     12.75    12.75
Hereheretua  37%     Y         16   25%     10.08    12

I was about to go WTH did we build science buildings for, until I realised that they were all conquered cities. My bad, I should have checked the viking cities I captured for obsolete/illegal buildings.

Hereheretua gets my vote for IP slightly ahead of Hatutu, 1 extra water tile is good, and that should give it enough spt to build summer or winter palace, which we get with absolutism.

Hmz, I want want want the East India Company

Yes please. Haraiki should be able to throw it up pretty quickly.

Log doesn't say, are the Mali extinct? Or do they have a settler on a boat somewhere?


roster:

Sanabas -
namliaM -
ThERat - playing
Zorn - on deck
Beorn-El-Feared - autoskip 13th-18th July?

Remember, no more research is allowed.
Circumventing rate caps is an exploit, please make sure lux% is high enough that we don't do it.

 

[ThERat]

things are looking good, got it, tonight

what are we aiming for? domination? or just kill everyone around? or do you want space ( I actually dread that, worse without research)

 

[sanabas]

If an emperor AI can research us all the way to space before 2050 I will be amazed. Domination or conquest works for me, just depends which we hit first. Then try the game again on Deity.

 

[namliaM]

I was about to go WTH did we build science buildings for, until I realised that they were all conquered cities. My bad, I should have checked the viking cities I captured for obsolete/illegal buildings.

We have no funds going toward research thus, no use of the "illegal" buildings, it just cost us a bit of gpt. But in the end al that gpt will suck you kitty dry...
Thusly I think I do know a bit more about why AI are more suck at RaR. They are not smart enough to scrap obsoleet buildings.

Hereheretua gets my vote for IP slightly ahead of Hatutu, 1 extra water tile is good, and that should give it enough spt to build summer or winter palace, which we get with absolutism.

Them palaces are sort of FPs right? Lower corruption and such?! Then I am all for it as well.
Does the summer/winter palace mimic the FP in everyway?! Meaning upping the OCN and such?

Yes please. Haraiki should be able to throw it up pretty quickly.

I read about it in the civilopedia. You get some building, you cannot build by hand, in every town/city you own. That building ups the happyness, not that we need it.... but its nice...

Log doesn't say, are the Mali extinct? Or do they have a settler on a boat somewhere?

Yep as dead a doornail.... and then there were 7....

Edit: We must be carefull to not overdevelop them outlaying city's no use for a forge in a 1spt ?! or a Toll House in a 1 gpt ?!

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-Turn
wow, the empire is huge
start to move junks towards Mongolia

1. 1060AD
drop a stack of units on mountain in Mongolia
do not trade just yet

IT no attack from Mongols

2. 1070AD
get political philo from Sioux for ridiculous 1600g + 1 lux
trade it for matchlock and 550g to Ottoman
Sioux got metalurgy already
attack Hovd, lose one phnat but take town

3. 1080AD
Siouxs are the runaways, they have absolutism now as well
only now realize that Mongols and Siuox share Island so I sign them in for 260g hoping they will slow a little in their tech development
defeat 2 units at Hovd

IT retreat 2 units but lose 1 defender in Hovd

4. 1090AD
rushed harbor in hovd gives us tea as another lux
defeat 3 attackers at Hovd
Ottoman know metal now as well
trade England matchlock for a lux, reduce lux to 20% and we make 1036gpt

IT defeat 3 units lose 1

5.1100AD
since it is insanely expensive to buy techs, steal safely and succeed
get absolutism, sell it to Ottoman for metal and 1400g, that's better

IT lose another units on defense
get Summer palace message

6. 1110AD
upgrade a bunch of units in Hovd after rushing a rax
attack and take Dlangzanda

IT Japanese demand horses, tell them to shove it and they bugger off
no Mongol counters

7. 1120AD
steal juris prudence and sell to Ottoman for 1700g
swap Bombay to Summer palace

IT Arabs join Sioux to fight Mongols

8. 1130AD
set up attack on Tabriz

IT lose a unit on counter

9. 1140AD
attack and manage to take Tabriz
expand borders with a slave
take Island town of Darhan, safely steal mercantilism

IT Japan joins in the fun against Mongols
Bombay builds Summer palace, we get central bank message

10. 1150AD
discover a small Island way south
East India is due in 6 turns, central bank in 8
we currently make 1236gpt and have 4300g in the kitty, enough for steals

our stats are 31/53

 

[sanabas]

Them palaces are sort of FPs right? Lower corruption and such?! Then I am all for it as well.
Does the summer/winter palace mimic the FP in everyway?! Meaning upping the OCN and such?

Yep, AFAIK they up the OCN too.

I read about it in the civilopedia. You get some building, you cannot build by hand, in every town/city you own. That building ups the happyness, not that we need it.... but its nice...

Ups the cash by 50% I thought. I'll have to check.

we currently make 1236gpt and have 4300g in the kitty, enough for steals

Stealing's definitely more cost-effective now, over 1k gpt is great.

roster:

Sanabas - on deck if I've got the dates wrong and Beorn is already on autoskip
namliaM -
ThERat -
Zorn - playing
Beorn-El-Feared - on deck?/autoskip 13th-18th July?

Remember, no more research is allowed.
Circumventing rate caps is an exploit, please make sure lux% is high enough that we don't do it.

 

[Zorn]

Got it, will play later.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Not on deck, skip me from now as I won't have the time today

 

[Zorn]

So far I have played six turns, and last turn war weariness started. It is still bearable, but if we want to go for a conquest/domination win we should think about a different government. Since we know absolute monarchy, I´d suggest revolting to that. Any objections?

 

[sanabas]

No objections here, as we don't have soc dem or commie available anytime soon.

 

[namliaM]

Corruption going from Rampant to Problematic.. Dont know which is worse...

Rate cap from 70 to 90%

Still cash rush...

Better stealing...

We actually have WW? With 30% Luxrate... geezzzz

I like the better stealing part (vet spies) but a bit weary of the Corruption (not sure how that works out) but I would hate to lose the extra commerce from republic....

 

[Zorn]

Preturn:

I notice that we still have some offensive troops on the indian island. Holliday is over guys, back to work.

T1-T5

The war with the Mongols is a bloody mess. Both of us use units with high attack and low defense, so nearly every attack results in a kill. I wish we had some more defenders there.
Nevertheless we capture Xianyang, wich gives us the slave trade.


T6-T10

Slave trade doesn`t really help our WW, and several cities riot.
After one failed attempt, we stole theory of warfare from the Sioux (or Iroquise? I always mix these two up).
I renewed the luxury deal with japan, but have to give them additional horses.
As for the war, we captured Nanjing.
We approach on two other directions as well, the last shipment of troops mad us strong enough to start another attack in the south.
Militarywise I focussed on building mainly pikes, because I found us lacking them dearly. There are a few shipments en route, but they might be just enough to do garrison duties.
Progress was a little slow, because I waited for the cannons to catch up, wich consumed time.
One ship is heading to the former malinese island, to pick up some troops left there.
War weariness is bearable, after the first wave no other cities rioted, so I decided to chicken out of the decision wheter to revolt or not and leave that to the next player.

 

[namliaM]

I think you are mistaken about the WW....

When you took the slave trade we got free Slave Markets everywhere. The slave market gives a nice production boost of 25%, makes 2! people unhappy in its city. This is compounded by having other wonders. Quite a few of them add unhappy faces to the 2 of the slave markets. So there may actually be more unhappy faces due to the slave markets, but at least 2!

This is more than likely to be the cause, not the WW. IMO

 

[Zorn]

I checked the reason. The salve markets did cause unhappiness, but there was also WW.

 

[sanabas]

got it....

 

[sanabas]

Preturn: Safely steal economics from ottomans for 1800ish
Economics to Sioux gets Music theory, Leadership, 700 gold
Music theory to ottomans for 800 gold
steal cavalry tactics off sioux at the 4th attempt
buy flintlock from the sioux for 2000ish and 2? luxes (forgot to write it down)
Sell cav tactics & flintlock to ottomans for 3000ish? (forgot this one too)
Revolt, draw 7 turn anarchy. no WW, less corruption definitely beats democracy's commerce bonus

1255: zzz

1260: Capture Ulaanbaatar, mandalgovi

1265: economics & flintlock to japan for newtonian synthesis and silks
newtonian to ottomans for naval cannon & 350 gold
naval cannon to sioux for 1150 gold, we're in the IA.
Capture Erdenet

1270: zzz

1275: capture almarikh

IBT: mongolian shaolin monk takes mandalgovi back

1280: recapture mandalgovi

1285: we're an absolute monarchy
Autoraze Xinjian
steal steam power from sioux at the 1st attempt
steam, 2 luxes & 300 gold to ottomans for federalism
federalism to sioux for 2800 gold
upgrade 10 junks to clippers

IBT: mongols take back mandalgovi again

1290: recapture mandalgovi again
Finally get an MGL for international port as we attack karakorum
capture karakorum

IBT: Japanese take tsingtao
Sioux take Kazan, and the mongols are gone.

1295: zzz

1300: build 3 privateers, sink 3 ships, get 1 prize ship
Hurry international port in Utirik (16 coast/sea squares to work)
Haraiki is on Estates General
3 district courts have been built, as soon as we know modern legal system we need to build supreme court.
We're currently not at war, we can either try and hit the sioux, or use our fleet of clippers to switch islands, and take the arabs and japanese, who are behind on techs.

save



roster:

Sanabas -
namliaM - playing
ThERat - on deck
Zorn -
Beorn-El-Feared - autoskip until 18th July

Remember, no more research is allowed.
Circumventing rate caps is an exploit, please make sure lux% is high enough that we don't do it.

 

[sanabas]

namliaM, you there?