Sana03 - Who ate the RaR scientists?

[Zorn]

I got it.
I will see what I can do about the Indians, though without iron and no horses on our main islands a proper invasion will be difficult.
I am playing with the idea of bombarding the cities with large galleons and then taking them amphibiously - with warriors .
Depends on knowledge of lateen sain, of course.

 

[sanabas]

I allmost knew that was a mistake the moment I settled it (or maybe a turn later)

I did not however want to found it 1S either to close to Tonga.... And i did not know what else to do, it seems like THE spot if not for the bonus....

Yeah, I stuffed up by putting Tonga in the wrong spot. Agree, it would be the best spot if it didn't lose the extra food. We could always cash-rush a hardy pioneer in Akiaki, abandon it into the settler and move 1 tile NE. That'll give us a food bonus on grassland to use.

 

[Zorn]

Our Empire looks good.
Before I start, I sacrifice 10 virgins to the volcano gods, just to be on the safe side.

90 - 150 AD

Another indian ship sinks, Hoa gets founded and I improve our cities, generously cash-rushing.

170 AD

Tahuata founded.
I am getting impatient. Seems none of the AIs is getting lateen sail anytime soon, so this war has to be led conventionally. We could build horsies, but horsies vs spears isn`t very nice. So we need at least swords.
I looked for iron, and noticed that the sioux have some, but they also have elephants. Gladly I trade elephants for gems - only to notice that we don`t know elephant riding. Uh, yeah, a .
Grumbling, I buy iron for furs and horses.
The indians are so kind to put a few workers on the shore - an amphibious attack from our warrior gives us two slaves.

190 AD

Mataiva founded
Our warrior, who surprisingly wasn´t attacked heads back to the savety of the ships.
I start building swordmen in many cities.

210 AD

The indians placed new workers on the shore...

Two more slaves.

230 AD

Warrior back to ship, first swords are loaded.
Have fun with the war.

 

[sanabas]

roster:

Sanabas - on deck
namliaM
ThERat
Zorn -
Beorn-El-Feared - playing

Remember, we may now only research Dark Ages. No other science allowed.
Circumventing rate caps is an exploit, please make sure lux% is high enough that we don't do it.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Will have a good read tonight, not sure I can play it as well, right now, though.

 

[sanabas]

Will have a good read tonight, not sure I can play it as well, right now, though.

I'm confused, is that a got it or a request for a swap or what?

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Got it, but playing tomorrow probably.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Pre-Turns: a bunch of MM, mainly to reduce waste on the 20spt Haraiki (swords are 30) and to rotate the buildings around: Outriggers in far-off places, spears/swords/cats closer by.

IT: See they have elephants (nasty ) so I'll wait for a full landing force to go.

T 1.
IT: India gets Zeus

T 2.
IT: Sioux get the Pyramids

T 3.

T 4.
Land the strike force, more coming through.
Tikei working on FP, chosen for its food/commerce ability.

IT: Landing party attacked by an elephant and the spearman survives with 1 HP.

T 5.
Capital is on Palace Gardens.

Tea + Classical Ed from Sioux for 527g
Republic + 98g from Vikings for Classical Ed
Gems to China for 90g

Every able arm is to attack next turn

IT: India attacks with another elephant and redlines another pike. India finishes Chitzen Itza on its continent

T 6.
Lose 2 reg swords capturing Madras

T 7.
Ottomans give us 20g for peace.

T 8.
Bombard went bad, not attacking this turn. FP started at Manihi.

T 9.
5/5 bombard, Lahore takes a toll of one reg sword.

Get barding from Sioux for 225g
Trade Currency off China for Barding + 32g
Trade Mil Training off Mongols for Barding + 13g

Researching Dark Ages, 40%: 4 turns +23gpt.

T 10.
Actually, turn 11, the previous save was 230 AD and I must have miscounted the first uneventful turns. Strike force moved in strike position. The unit feed is still better than the field losses, which is good. More artillery coming as of right now, but later builds might want to be more focused on barracks/swordsmen/badder horsemen (we can trade for horses and have barding).

Redlined an elephant, so far they send one every other turn or every 3rd turn, so the next one *should* come only in 2 IT.

edit: I cut the picture too low but there is a vet pike covering our stack. Other 2 are a landing party that just came around, so it's uncovered.

 

[sanabas]

got it. Don't like india having SoZ, but I like us getting free units. I'll see what I can do.

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Don't like india having SoZ,

No SoZ. ToZ. We had that wonder in DyP long before C3C and the unit spawning came out. ToZ is just like unmodded Oracle.

 

[sanabas]

No SoZ. ToZ. We had that wonder in DyP long before C3C and the unit spawning came out. ToZ is just like unmodded Oracle.

Discovered that as soon as I loaded the game. Silly me.

350AD: Trades are available. End the mongol embargo. 3 techs to the vikings get tropical fruit, 16gpt & 40 gold
4 techs to Mali get horses & 5 gold
Barding to Ottomans gets elephant training, 3 gpt, 170 gold.
We were importing elephants, now we can use them for units. Switch a lot of builds around, we can build barracks as of a few techs ago, so there's no reason to build non-veteran units.

360: Heavy WW kicks in. Kill 3 spears and a 'phant and take Bombay, we lose 5 or so swords in the process.
Make peace with India, they hand over Calcutta & 20 gold

370: Research Dark Ages, and get presented with a tech picture straight out of the "how to play middleman" textbook.

Gems to Mongols for Lateen Sail.
Lateen to India for Athletics
Athletics & Lateen to Ottomans for Invention
Invention & 20 gold to India for Theology
Theology & 240 gold to Ottomans for Milling
Milling to India for 256 gold & 15gpt, bankrupting them.

Net result: We pay 4 gold & gems to get 5 techs & 15 gpt.

Establish an embassy with the Mongols, we now have the with everybody, they'll complete sun tzu's in 2 turns.

380: Moving Akiaki 1 tile S will give us rice on grass, and 2 extra shield rich mountains that no other city reaches, so I decide to abandon it into a hardy pioneer.

390: Mongols build Sun Tzu's.
Sell Athletics to mongols for 260 gold
Athletics, Theology & Milling to Sioux for 1200 gold
Nuka Hiua founded

400: Akiaki refounded, Hereheretua, Tokelau & Hikueru founded.

410: Middleman textbook lesson again, net result is Horse Breeding, Clockworks, Fundamentalism & 38 gpt for 594 gold
Rekareka founded

IBT: Elephant deal ends

420: Manihi builds FP
Haraiki starts Angkor Wat, the cities on the W island can really use the culture and the happy face, as corruption is making pushing up the lux rate ineffective, and being over ocean means lux resources don't help either.

IBT Iron deal ends

440: Tureia founded

450: Tikei starts Heroic Epic
Fangataufa founded
Manuhangi founded
Middleman page #3: We get 947 gold, Stirrup, Vassalage & Drama for free.

The islands:

SAVE

 

[sanabas]

roster:

Sanabas -
namliaM - playing
ThERat - on deck
Zorn -
Beorn-El-Feared -

Remember, no more research is allowed.
Circumventing rate caps is an exploit, please make sure lux% is high enough that we don't do it.

 

[namliaM]

Got it

Aside from killing some evil Indians
I have no idea what the general game plan is at the moment.

I will wait (atleast) 24 to get some ideas....

 

[sanabas]

Dunno that there is a specific plan at the moment. Get Angkor Wat built will be a help, and get the last few cities founded on our islands too. No killing Indians yet, we're at peace for another 12 or so turns I think. But we can set up, land the new invasion force, and be all set to eliminate them after those 12. Apart from that, just keep getting infra built, and use partial cash rushing if it will help, we're making a fortune. Don't build worker housings, they'll expire shortly, but forge, both mills & town clock should be in all our core cities. And check for the chance to play middleman on the trades. So far, the 3 or 4 leading AIs have done different research finishing at similar times, so we've been able to buy one, sell it on for another one, and sell that second tech back to the first AI for the cash we originally paid. Basically it's giving us techs for free.

 

[ThERat]

great turns, guys. Let's prepare for another final Indian war. We better get rid of them and het their wonders as well. Do we still have elephants to build, besides great fighters they can road as well for us.

 

[sanabas]

We have horses, but no iron or 'phants. They might be available to buy though. (I hope they are, otherwise it was a bad mistake by me to let the trades end. 30+gpt for iron was a bit steep when I wasn't going to be using it for at least 5-10 turns) We still have access to basic horse units, and the 4/1/3 resource free unit. Our next war after wiping india should be to acquire iron. Haraiki is at 40spt, so 80 shield units to build would be nice. Or it can be MMed for growth and 30ish spt.

Oh yeah, and one more point for those unfamiliar with RAR. Don't build Aqueducts in coastal cities. Port+Major Port is cheaper, and provides culture and a trade bonus.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

I noticed that about the ports but it's most likely I didn't apply it.

Middleman page #3: We get 947 gold, Stirrup, Vassalage & Drama for free.

 

[namliaM]

Preturn Nada

IT: Japan comes calling, Appearently we have troops in their borders... OK OK
Hatutu Port> Major Port
Marutea Harbor> Port
Taenga Harbor> Forge
Vikings start Circus Maximus

1@460AD zzz

IT Ua Major Port> Bazaar
Niau Riots change Tax into Clown, Change to Forge
Akiaki Harbor> Forge

2@470AD Create taxman in Tokelau

IT Tatokoko riots?!
Manihi Windmill> Town Clock

3@480 Change Ua to Windmill
Only 'real' option is to trade Vassalage to india for Mona, However I do not think we want to be facing pikes...
So Instead...
I buy Lit from Ottoman for 862g
Trade Lit to India for Mona+8g
Trade Lit to Sioux for WC+33g
Sell Mona to Ottoman for 310g

IT Tonga Port> Windmill
Indians start Shangri la
Lose our supply of tea!

4@490 zzzz
Create taxman in Nuka Hiua

IT Bombay Barracks> Windmill
Madras Forge> Port
Fata Huka Wind mill> Town clock
Hatutu Major Port> Windmill

5@500 Sioux have Feud, they want Mona + 1172 Ack! wait for it !
Nobody has any gold to meantion execpt Otooman + Sioux

IT Spanish DoW Ottoman
Haraiki Angkor Wat> Trigger GA Palace Gardens MM Haraiki (now at 55spt) to grow in 1 and have 45spt. Then 55spt next turn = 100= Palace Gardens
Hereheretua Harbor> Courthouse
indians start Voyage of Discovery
English start Shangri La
Sioux start Great Lighthouse

6@510 Change Bombay to Port
MM Everywhere getting a little more every now at 338 gpt.

IT: Tikei Heroic Epic> Port
Pukapuka WindMill > Town Clock
Ahe Riots ?! Create taxman

7@520 Aratika gets taxman-ed

IT: See elephant shuffle around in Indian country
Tematagi Harbor> Courthouse
Minihi Town Clock> Forbidden Gardens
Rekareka Harbor> Forge
Darn! I forgot to MM Hariaki!
Viking complete Lighthouse in Bergen

8@530 Trade WC to Indians for Naval Spirit + 27g (could have gotten some gpt instead, but we want them out... so....)
312 for Mona from the Sioux
Feud for Naval + 331 to the sioux
OR... Feud + 26g for Naval + Mona from the sioux

Feud for Naval + 338 to the Ottomans

Deside to do Feud+26g for Naval + Mona to the sioux

Indians will trade Mounted Archery (monopoly!) for Vassalage +25g

IT: Palace Gardens in Haraiki> Barracks
Hey !!! 40spt? Lost 5 ! Ah, worker housing is out!... Sell housings...
Create Clown in Tatakoko (do not sell worker housing here)
Ah, not even the happy face counts, sell it after all...
Bombay Port> Major Port
Tikei Port> Bazaar
Lahore Barracks> Port
Hiva Riots?! Did i miss that? Again?! Create Taxman
Nuka Hiua Harbor> Courthouse
Sioux, Ottoman Start Shangri la

Guess I should have waited on the Feud trade much longer to keep on using them worker housings....

9@540 Tahuata creates Clown
Sioux have Crop rotation! Still no gold out there
The ottoman are taking over their Island, Spain is down to 1CC and england is 6 techs behind the pace of Ottoman... Should we help England along?
The sioux are techleaders dispite their bigger brother Mongols on their Island

IT: Mongols come Calling, they offer embargo vs Chinese + 16g ... Sure...
Sioux too come calling... He offers Tea, wants Gems+16gpt+19g ... Do not want to fuel him (at the moment)
Haraiki Barracks> 1 turn Horseman!
Tatakoko Major Port> Forge
Ua Pou Windmill> Courthouse
Tokelau Harbor> Courthouse
hikueru Harbor> Courthouse
Sioux start Voyage of Discovery
Lose our supply of Tropical Fruit
Lose Horses

10@550 Create taxman in Hao (Forge in 1)

Our peace deal with india is up next turn.. Then we have another 15gpt deal with them, for 1 more turn.
Oops they know Vassalage now.... Trade Feud for Mounted Archery + gold and go get them!!

Haraiki can produce 1 turn horsemen for 2 more turns to the shield.
We have 3737 and are at 366gpt ( I did not use any cash to rush )
Some workers are fortified on the islands, I did not have anything to do for them....

Feel free to bash on me for any and all mistakes...

 

[sanabas]

Sounds good. Nice trading too. No point hoarding that much cash, may as well rush things if it will help, courthouses especially. With all the riots, are you checking all the cities manually each turn, or using a program like mapstat or civassist? They'll make it much harder to miss riots. (But still very possible, trust me.)

Only a couple of turns until we can finish off india, yeah?

roster:

Sanabas -
namliaM -
ThERat - playing
Zorn - on deck
Beorn-El-Feared -

Remember, no more research is allowed.
Circumventing rate caps is an exploit, please make sure lux% is high enough that we don't do it.

 

[ThERat]

got it, taking out India, right? well, are we aiming for another government by the way? What are the longer term plans? Conquest? I think we should decide how we want to win this so that we can play with that in mind. If we go for conquest, I suggest to start taking out the enemies one by one starting with the bigger threats.

I will play this tomorrow since today is my better halfs birthday.