Berzerker
Deity
Trump 'tolerated' this because the Saudis are buying our weapons
what an amoral putz
what an amoral putz
Why were 15 people needed to come over to the consulate ?
those 15 "tourists" for 1-2 days easily detectable and trackable ?
Why was it so easy for the Turkish to get that recording ?
Interesting to see whether IMF head Christine Lagarde, planned to speak at the conference, will do that.A high-profile investment summit in Riyadh later this month is rapidly becoming a fiasco as prominent businesses and media groups have pulled out over Saudi Arabia’s alleged involvement in the disappearance and possible murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
The president of the World Bank, Jim Yong Kim, said he would not be attending, and the Financial Times, Bloomberg, CNN and CNBC have withdrawn as media sponsors.
The world’s business elite were due to attend the Future Investment Initiative (FII), which begins in the Saudi capital on 23 October. However, some of the companies involved say they are withdrawing pending the outcome of investigations into Khashoggi’s disappearance, while others have pulled out unconditionally.
Saudi Arabia’s ambitious Vision 2030 project – the brainchild of the kingdom’s de facto ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman – is strongly dependent on overseas investment, and the apparent shunning of the prestigious FII conference will be as disturbing to Saudi policymakers as the more distant threat of a US-imposed ban on arms sales.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/12/saudi-arabia-fii-conference-withdrawal-jamal-khashoggi
The Guardian was reporting that heaps of delegates are pulling out of that conference, and it might be cancelled. MBS seems to have massively miscalculated here, and overstepped his bounds. Some of his half-brothers may move against him if the Turks have evidence of his personal involvement.And why did it happen when he visited the consulate, guaranteeing that it must have been done ordered by the Prince bin Salman ?
And why was it done just before a big conference on the pet project of Prince bin Salman, the Vision 2030 project ?
Interesting to see whether IMF head Christine Lagarde, planned to speak at the conference, will do that.
I have seen reports that he was wearing an internet watch that was connected too his mobile phone that was left out side. If this is correct the Turks may have recorded the transmission or have access too the phone.
Now the Turks say they have an audiotape of the arrest, torture, & murder.
A guy went into the consulate and did not come out again.Problem is the Turks have proven themselves to be pathological liars and nothing they say can be trusted. So I won't believe the Turks have this supposed audio tape until I hear it. And even then, I'm going to need some kind of verification that the Turks didn't fabricate it.
A guy went into the consulate and did not come out again.
He's not there now, and the country running the consulate can't explain it.
The facts, at least, makes the Turkish story realistic. Which makes me willing to assume the audio tape is real.
I'm not saying the fact that this guy was murdered by the Saudis is the part they are lying about. I'm saying the Turks having this supposedly damning audio tape of it is what I don't believe. Not because the idea of such a tape existing would be completely outside the realm of possibility, but rather because Erdogan's regime has a propensity for being dishonest.
If the base story is convincing, what possible reason would they have for fabricating evidence? What do they stand to gain by making things up for something that is true and everybody acknowledges is probably true?
and more experts are saying it is highly unlikely a watch could have gathered this intel. The Turks are lying about it to cover up that the have the consulate bugged.
A guy went into the consulate and did not come out again.
He's not there now, and the country running the consulate can't explain it.
The facts, at least, makes the Turkish story realistic. Which makes me willing to assume the audio tape is real.
and more experts are saying it is highly unlikely a watch could have gathered this intel. The Turks are lying about it to cover up that the have the consulate bugged.
I think Britain should hold a referendum on leaving Saudi Arabia.This is my opinion too.
For what it is worth, I don't see any benefits in the UK government jumping on the bandwagon
and joining in and making quasi imperial demands of Saudi Arabia to explain things.
We should merely very noisily install some deliberately very obtrusive TV monitoring
systems around all the entrances to the Saudi Arabia embassy in London.
Seriously, the more I read, the more I believe that the Turks bugged the consulate. Although that raises the question of why the Saudis were stupid enough to torture and murder a guy in a room that had been bugged.
It's not in our national interest to do so.
I find it surprising that those tapes, or some parts of it, are still not made public after so many days.
To be fair, this is a pretty good reason not to invade someone. Not the only good reason, but still a good one.
Unfortunately that hasn't always stopped it from happening in the past.