ZeletDude
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thank you
and sorry about the R/L issues, Rl is more important than this i just wanted to let you know.
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SCENARIO: Age of Imperialism II- 1923-1953
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thank you
and sorry about the R/L issues, Rl is more important than this i just wanted to let you know.
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
With RL issues I meant my dissertation and legal clerkship. Nothing more (it is enough).
Adler
Adler
Adler17 can you fill me in on what I need to get the Kaiser Shipyard pedicon issue resolved?
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
I just had a look in that error message. I had none. I will reupload the files, soon. Perhaps the new version will have eradicated it. I guess it is a corrupt file.
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Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Someone had a problem with a Soviet plane and upgrading. What error was it?
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Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
I will upload the new files tomorrow. I have now no time left. Sorry.
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ZeletDude
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okay but can you tell us when its uploaded in a post or w/e because i dont want to keep checking
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
I have problems with uploading. I am sorry, but I hope I found a solution now. It looks promising. I hope to be ready tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.
Adler
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I have gone as far as I plan to go on AOI II. I wanted to make some comments, after I finished. I have to confess that I did not really complete the scenario.
I played on Admiral level (Sid) as I found AOI I very easy. I stopped after I owned all of North America and South America as well as all of Africa.
Here is the count of cities at that point for all the remaining nations. I have 159 cities.
Edit:
Looked at the wrong page, it is actually 167 cities.
I played on Admiral level (Sid) as I found AOI I very easy. I stopped after I owned all of North America and South America as well as all of Africa.
Here is the count of cities at that point for all the remaining nations. I have 159 cities.
Edit:
Looked at the wrong page, it is actually 167 cities.
Many of the issue that forced me to stop, was the same ones I disliked in AOI 1 version 3.0.
The most grievous is the Raw Materials. I had over 5700 points and another 63 RMs on the way home. This represents about 2400 RM units gathered by hand and moved and captured.
This would be bad enough, but looking at the score screen you can see the number required. It is 100,000 points! It may be a scaling issue, but in any event I would loose my mind trying wrangle that many RM units to the home front.
Two more issues in common center around the pedia. It was missing information and had some misleading or erroneous data. There were a large number of entries where the words were overlaying each other and hard to read.
In addition to those points, many had no information, other than the cost. Missing on some structures was the corruption impact.
I grant you that the effort required is very large and I understand the desire to not correct them.
The biggest pedia error was the corps. I have not seen any leaders. I looked in the editor and I see that the units I checked one, do not allow leaders?
The numbers of ships granted to start the game was just enormous. The AI making all those transports types compounds this. They want to run all those RM units home. They would be better off making troops.
Ships have too large a movement allocation. Later ships can cover up to 12 tiles. This lets you get all over the map in a flash on the S map. I play lots of games on 250x250 and 31 nations. No ship gets more than 8 moves. It should take time to go around the world.
I also feel that lethal bombardment for the ships is too strong. I was able to take down some early towns using that. Later the large numbers of boats let me paste other towns to soften them up too easily.
Small point, but often the research tree pointed one way and actually went in the other direction.
UN or League of Nation not actually able to build, do not know why. The editor does not show any restrictions.
Still seeing the money bug with Persia. Siam was a two-city nation and I took it down and got over a 140k very early in the game? At one point Persia had over 1.6 million and demanded 100 in gold from me? I had about 130 cities then, they had 8.
They could not even reach me, so it was a C3C got you. The next largest AI had only 286K, with scores of cities.
I reported the problem with the Kaiser Shipyard, but no answer was giving. It is not a corruption issue as it is the only thing I ran into so far. This does lead to one thing that bothered me with II and I. Why did no one ever incorporate the fixes?
Why make all the new players jump through hoops trying to get the correction in place?
I found that the large population was another thing that makes the game easier for humans. It is harder in terms of play. I mean that it is easier as I do not really have to be worried about happiness.
I have scores of specialist in nearly all cities. Harder in that flipping specialist is a nightmare when you have a pop of over 40 and really hard over 60. You will have to concentrate or you end up flipping the wrong citizen as they are packed in so tightly.
Fortress may be harming the AI, but not the player. I suggest that is the case, as I saw almost no towns switch hands. I saw a number of battles where the attacker just smashed into the fortress and died.
It was not a problem for me, as I will bring bombardment to bear from planes, boats and artillery. I will land enough units to get the job done. I watched France and Spain go at each other in typical AI fashion. Piecemeal, here an attacker there 2 or 3. Once in while more than 3, but never enough to win.
It goes without saying that a ton of work was done by all parties to get all the modifications in and done quite well. The Art was excellent. I especially like the Montana and the CVA United States of America, just superior.
Anyway I decided to make this post to help with any future efforts to update the mod. I know everyone tells me the RM is the thing, but it is just a fun buster IMO. It takes you out of the scenario and is so tedious.
One last thing, the no raze issue. I did not use the mod for razing. It had no effect. I may have missed the count in the first 19 turns as I thought the AI did raze one town. I am not sure that they did, I may have gotten he count wrong.
I know they never raze a town after that point. I razed 40 or about that many. At the point I stopped the game had 364 cities left.
The most grievous is the Raw Materials. I had over 5700 points and another 63 RMs on the way home. This represents about 2400 RM units gathered by hand and moved and captured.
This would be bad enough, but looking at the score screen you can see the number required. It is 100,000 points! It may be a scaling issue, but in any event I would loose my mind trying wrangle that many RM units to the home front.
Two more issues in common center around the pedia. It was missing information and had some misleading or erroneous data. There were a large number of entries where the words were overlaying each other and hard to read.
In addition to those points, many had no information, other than the cost. Missing on some structures was the corruption impact.
I grant you that the effort required is very large and I understand the desire to not correct them.
The biggest pedia error was the corps. I have not seen any leaders. I looked in the editor and I see that the units I checked one, do not allow leaders?
The numbers of ships granted to start the game was just enormous. The AI making all those transports types compounds this. They want to run all those RM units home. They would be better off making troops.
Ships have too large a movement allocation. Later ships can cover up to 12 tiles. This lets you get all over the map in a flash on the S map. I play lots of games on 250x250 and 31 nations. No ship gets more than 8 moves. It should take time to go around the world.
I also feel that lethal bombardment for the ships is too strong. I was able to take down some early towns using that. Later the large numbers of boats let me paste other towns to soften them up too easily.
Small point, but often the research tree pointed one way and actually went in the other direction.
UN or League of Nation not actually able to build, do not know why. The editor does not show any restrictions.
Still seeing the money bug with Persia. Siam was a two-city nation and I took it down and got over a 140k very early in the game? At one point Persia had over 1.6 million and demanded 100 in gold from me? I had about 130 cities then, they had 8.
They could not even reach me, so it was a C3C got you. The next largest AI had only 286K, with scores of cities.
I reported the problem with the Kaiser Shipyard, but no answer was giving. It is not a corruption issue as it is the only thing I ran into so far. This does lead to one thing that bothered me with II and I. Why did no one ever incorporate the fixes?
Why make all the new players jump through hoops trying to get the correction in place?
I found that the large population was another thing that makes the game easier for humans. It is harder in terms of play. I mean that it is easier as I do not really have to be worried about happiness.
I have scores of specialist in nearly all cities. Harder in that flipping specialist is a nightmare when you have a pop of over 40 and really hard over 60. You will have to concentrate or you end up flipping the wrong citizen as they are packed in so tightly.
Fortress may be harming the AI, but not the player. I suggest that is the case, as I saw almost no towns switch hands. I saw a number of battles where the attacker just smashed into the fortress and died.
It was not a problem for me, as I will bring bombardment to bear from planes, boats and artillery. I will land enough units to get the job done. I watched France and Spain go at each other in typical AI fashion. Piecemeal, here an attacker there 2 or 3. Once in while more than 3, but never enough to win.
It goes without saying that a ton of work was done by all parties to get all the modifications in and done quite well. The Art was excellent. I especially like the Montana and the CVA United States of America, just superior.
Anyway I decided to make this post to help with any future efforts to update the mod. I know everyone tells me the RM is the thing, but it is just a fun buster IMO. It takes you out of the scenario and is so tedious.
One last thing, the no raze issue. I did not use the mod for razing. It had no effect. I may have missed the count in the first 19 turns as I thought the AI did raze one town. I am not sure that they did, I may have gotten he count wrong.
I know they never raze a town after that point. I razed 40 or about that many. At the point I stopped the game had 364 cities left.
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
I want to answer your points:
I agree. It was more a test to see, how many are enough. I want to have a victory because of points not before the late war/ cold war period. I decreased that to 10.000 points.
The pedia is not working as I had no time to make one but decided to make one on my own. Still I haven't the time to do so. Nevertheless I decided to publish it as it is still a playable scenario.
The number of ships as they were in duty in history or would have been on 01.01.1923. However, the capital ships were added as I didn't want to allow the building of these ships too early.
The ships got their speed after a system. A destroyer is usually faster than a battleship. And that should be reflected. Perhaps for the small map a slight decrease should happen. I will think it over.
There is only lethal sea bombardment, no lethal land one. High rof is justified due to the use of torpedoes. The price to have for such system is the "misuse" against land targets. But that's more a hard coded problem, as you can't distinguish between sea and land units.
I know. However, I had no time to make new graphics for that. Sorry.
Strange. No idea, why that could not be built.
No idea, how Siam could earn so much money so early. Nevertheless even small nations demand gold from time to time. AI.
I found no bug. Sorry, if I overread it. What error exactly does happen? I will try it again.
No idea what you mean.
It is ever a debatable thing to change the requirements of the city growth. However, I still think this way like it is now is the better one.
I saw also cities with fortresses falling to AI nations, but with great losses. However, it is the bad use of artillery causing this problem generally. So indeed it is only a small obstacle for a human player. But still a good one to prevent too early wars.
Thank you! It was indeed a pain of work!
I hope I came to a better solution now.
AI seldomly razes cities but it does. I accidentally played without the patch and remarked it only after two cities were found razed. Nevertheless I am still against razing in general.
Adler
I agree. It was more a test to see, how many are enough. I want to have a victory because of points not before the late war/ cold war period. I decreased that to 10.000 points.
The pedia is not working as I had no time to make one but decided to make one on my own. Still I haven't the time to do so. Nevertheless I decided to publish it as it is still a playable scenario.
The number of ships as they were in duty in history or would have been on 01.01.1923. However, the capital ships were added as I didn't want to allow the building of these ships too early.
The ships got their speed after a system. A destroyer is usually faster than a battleship. And that should be reflected. Perhaps for the small map a slight decrease should happen. I will think it over.
There is only lethal sea bombardment, no lethal land one. High rof is justified due to the use of torpedoes. The price to have for such system is the "misuse" against land targets. But that's more a hard coded problem, as you can't distinguish between sea and land units.
I know. However, I had no time to make new graphics for that. Sorry.
Strange. No idea, why that could not be built.
No idea, how Siam could earn so much money so early. Nevertheless even small nations demand gold from time to time. AI.
I found no bug. Sorry, if I overread it. What error exactly does happen? I will try it again.
No idea what you mean.
It is ever a debatable thing to change the requirements of the city growth. However, I still think this way like it is now is the better one.
I saw also cities with fortresses falling to AI nations, but with great losses. However, it is the bad use of artillery causing this problem generally. So indeed it is only a small obstacle for a human player. But still a good one to prevent too early wars.
Thank you! It was indeed a pain of work!
I hope I came to a better solution now.
AI seldomly razes cities but it does. I accidentally played without the patch and remarked it only after two cities were found razed. Nevertheless I am still against razing in general.
Adler
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Version 1.1 is online! Have fun! And thanks for the 891 downloads here!
Adler
Adler
Hi Adler17. I was unable to stop and I am close to finishing by domination at 70% pop and 47% land, so I will finish.
What I meant about the jumping through hoops was, players still have to down load several pieces, then put them together. I suspect that this is a daunting task to some and they skip it. As the fixes have been around for some time, I was wondering why they were not incorporated.
This would have let people just do one DL and go.
The Kaiser Shipyard gets a text not found error for WON_SPLASH as I posted a ways back. I was just not sure what was needed to fix it, so I just refrain from building it. I have not found any reports of anyone finishing to game, so I guess no one ran into it. As you mentioned, they would have to also be playing with a specific government, if they did.
I just wanted to see what, if anything it would produce.
On the RM's, I would make them count for more and be produced over a very long time period. I have disbanded hundreds of them, but even that is a pain. I just did a turn where I had around 130 of them, ugh. The worst are in Africa as it is large and has no VP location.
So you have to drag them to a boat and load them. Drag the boat to another continent and unload them. Drag a unit over to capture them and drag it into the town. I had 85 in Africa alone that turn.
Some of the islands are a pain, but do not make that many RM units.
What I meant about the jumping through hoops was, players still have to down load several pieces, then put them together. I suspect that this is a daunting task to some and they skip it. As the fixes have been around for some time, I was wondering why they were not incorporated.
This would have let people just do one DL and go.
The Kaiser Shipyard gets a text not found error for WON_SPLASH as I posted a ways back. I was just not sure what was needed to fix it, so I just refrain from building it. I have not found any reports of anyone finishing to game, so I guess no one ran into it. As you mentioned, they would have to also be playing with a specific government, if they did.
I just wanted to see what, if anything it would produce.
On the RM's, I would make them count for more and be produced over a very long time period. I have disbanded hundreds of them, but even that is a pain. I just did a turn where I had around 130 of them, ugh. The worst are in Africa as it is large and has no VP location.
So you have to drag them to a boat and load them. Drag the boat to another continent and unload them. Drag a unit over to capture them and drag it into the town. I had 85 in Africa alone that turn.
Some of the islands are a pain, but do not make that many RM units.
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Really major changes only one: 10.000 VP are only mneeded to win now.
Minor change: Ships being built in this time were, at least to a part, introduced. But only 8 ships for each nation.
I have no problem in DL it. BTW: Are you members of the Storm over civ forum? IIRC only members can DL from it. That is not a real problem to become member there I think.
Adler
Minor change: Ships being built in this time were, at least to a part, introduced. But only 8 ships for each nation.
I have no problem in DL it. BTW: Are you members of the Storm over civ forum? IIRC only members can DL from it. That is not a real problem to become member there I think.
Adler
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
I tried to get an error but did not find any. Strange.
Well, that was the task: You should have to bring them home. On this way you really have now the possibilities to see AI not ignoring the sea fights.
Adler
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