Schiavo autopsy: brain shrunk to half the size, even if given water would have died

[wit>trope]

However, the doctor explicitly stated he found no evidence of foul play.

From the BBC:

He said he found no DIRECT evidence of foul play. But the fact that there was no evidence of the eating disorder and heart attack or whatever that her husband said caused her collapse is INDIRECT evidence of foul play since if he were telling the truth, you'd think they'd find SOME evidence for his version of the story.

 

[FriendlyFire]

He said he found no DIRECT evidence of foul play. But the fact that there was no evidence of the eating disorder and heart attack or whatever that her husband said caused her collapse is INDIRECT evidence of foul play since if he were telling the truth, you'd think they'd find SOME evidence for his version of the story.

???

So no DIRECT evidence of WMDs is INDIRECT evidence of WMDs.
Now why didnt I think of that ?
You know that works vise versa right ?

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Seriously all those years in a coma, all those doctors, all the challenges at the supreme court and now an autopsy as well.

 

[Jeff Yu]

So Terry Schiavo's brain is less than half the size of a normal person. That makes her different from her countless supporters.......how? Those people were just as brainless, and they were technically alive and sentient.

 

[wilbill]

He said he found no DIRECT evidence of foul play. But the fact that there was no evidence of the eating disorder and heart attack or whatever that her husband said caused her collapse is INDIRECT evidence of foul play since if he were telling the truth, you'd think they'd find SOME evidence for his version of the story.

Likewise there was no direct evidence that she died of bubonic plague, a fall from a 20-story building, anthrax, dengue fever, or a shark attack. Which one of these would you consider to be a possibility, since, by your logic, there's now indirect evidence of all of them?

I find the Schindler family's (and your) attitude toward Michael Schiavo to be distressingly un-Christian. After the release of this autopsy information, speculation about his involvement in her death approaches being slanderous.

 

[Renata]

He said he found no DIRECT evidence of foul play. But the fact that there was no evidence of the eating disorder and heart attack or whatever that her husband said caused her collapse is INDIRECT evidence of foul play since if he were telling the truth, you'd think they'd find SOME evidence for his version of the story.

Did you even read the article?

There was:
No EVIDENCE of foul play. None, zero, zip.
No PROOF of an eating disorder. There was EVIDENCE of an eating disorder all along, in her diminished potassium levels after she collapsed. Just no proof, since there are other possible causes.

In other words, her husband's belief that bulimia caused her collapse has long been supported by evidence, although it couldn't be proved then and can't be proved now. Her parents' accusations didn't have a shred of support from the evidence when they were made and are even less defensible now that autopsy has ruled out a few means of foul play that would have left tracks in the body.

Renata

 

[IglooDame]

He said he found no DIRECT evidence of foul play. But the fact that there was no evidence of the eating disorder and heart attack or whatever that her husband said caused her collapse is INDIRECT evidence of foul play since if he were telling the truth, you'd think they'd find SOME evidence for his version of the story.

So the lack of DIRECT evidence that God exists is thus INDIRECT evidence that he does not exist.

Hmmm... that sounds like twisted logic, doesn't it?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Schiavo autopsy: brain shrunk to half the size, but still larger than Tom Delays

Washington - Tom Delay's Press Secretary dismissed reports this morning that Terry Schiavos shrunken brain was larger than his boss's brain. "Her brain may have been larger, but was Ms. Schiavo introducing legislation in Congress? Was Ms. Schiavo fighting the entrenched Wasington bureacracy? The answer is no. Clearly when it comes to brains, quality is more important than quantity. Honestly, this topic is a waste of time, Id much rather discuss the Majority Leaders position on shooting Federal judges."

 

[IglooDame]

Schiavo autopsy: brain shrunk to half the size, but still larger than Tom Delays

Washington - Tom Delay's Press Secretary dismissed reports this morning that Terry Schiavos shrunken brain was larger than his boss's brain. "Her brain may have been larger, but was Ms. Schiavo introducing legislation in Congress? Was Ms. Schiavo fighting the entrenched Wasington bureacracy? The answer is no. Clearly when it comes to brains, quality is more important than quantity. Honestly, this topic is a waste of time, Id much rather discuss the Majority Leaders position on shooting Federal judges."

Not much to discuss, "standing, kneeling, or prone?"

 

[Scrimshaw]

He said he found no DIRECT evidence of foul play. But the fact that there was no evidence of the eating disorder and heart attack or whatever that her husband said caused her collapse is INDIRECT evidence of foul play since if he were telling the truth, you'd think they'd find SOME evidence for his version of the story.

That's fine, you don't have to believe husbands version of the story. He's not a doctor and maybe her collapse was not caused by an eating disorder. That does not mean it was foul play. Maybe something else caused it that was never properly diagnosed...

People have heart attacks all the time where the EXACT cause isn't known. There are dozens of things that can cause heart problems. My dad had a heart attack (he lived) and they didn't even try to tell him why. Cholesterol? high blood pressure? Overall weakness of the heart? It was a one time thing so maybe he had a potassium deficiency? They never said, never cared to look. Just jumped on rehab and control of risk factors that may or may not have caused it.

My point is only that it was suggested at the time that an eating disorder was the cause but how sure were they? How close did they look? We will never know I guess.

Just so I don't look too foolish, it was a heart condition of some kind that caused her collapse right? It's been weeks since I've heard anything on this and I didn't read these articles posted here. Silly I know but I have some confidence left in my memory.

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050615...Tndyl4A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Autopsy results have been released for Terri Schiavo. The main points:
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These results are about as surprising as finding that a man who had died of a gunshot wound to the head had a hole in it.

 

[wit>trope]

A Florida prosecutor is now looking into the possibility of foul play being involved. The Florida prosecutor agreed to investigate this after being asked to do it by the Governor of Florida. This is one of the discrepancies that is the cause of the prosecutorial investigation:

"In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie McCabe, the governor said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5:00 am on February 25, 1990, and he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about 4:30 am. He called the emergency services at 5:40 am."

First, why does he contradict himself by saying that it was 5 AM in 1992 when he said it was 4:30 AM in 1990. Further, whether it was 5 AM or 4:30 AM, if it was at 5 AM, then that's a whopping 40 minute delay in calling emergency services and if it's at 4:30 AM it's a whopping 70 minute delay. So by his own self-contradictory testimony there was a 40 to 70 minute delay. Why the delay? This is very strong circumstantial evidence that there was foul play. Don't be surprised if other evidence turns up and he ends up getting indicted.

People have heart attacks all the time where the EXACT cause isn't known.

The autosopy was not even able to determine that it was a heart attack that led to her condition. The cause of what led to her disabled condition was not able to be determined at all. Anyway, as I wrote above, a Florida prosecutor is now looking into this.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news...ION_OF_DELAYED_EMERGENCY_CALL_FOR_SCHIAVO.asp

Prosecutor to probe accusation of delayed emergency call for Schiavo

TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) - Governor Jeb Bush said yesterday that a prosecutor has agreed to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, citing an alleged time gap between when her husband Michael found her and when he called for an ambulance.

Bush said his request for the probe was not meant to suggest wrongdoing by Michael Schiavo.

"It's a significant question that during this ordeal was never brought up," Bush told reporters.

Michael Schiavo's attorney has said his client called for help right away.

In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie McCabe, the governor said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5:00 am on February 25, 1990, and he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about 4:30 am. He called the emergency services at 5:40 am.

"Between 40 and 70 minutes elapsed before the call was made, and I am aware of no explanation for the delay," Bush wrote. "In light of this new information, I urge you to take a fresh look at this case without any preconceptions as to the outcome."

 

[Louis XXIV]

Isn't the case a little cold (especially with an inconclusive autopsy)?

 

[VoodooAce]

It isn't to those who already knew, but perhaps it is to those who were on the opposite side.

Those 'on the opposite side' ignored all credible medical evidence before this came out, I doubt they'll come to their senses now.

It was clear all along that they would manipulate the facts, even straight out lie, to support their cause, whatever that might have been.

This case was something of a microcosm of the way a lot of righties react these days. They demonized the husband and accused him of all sorts of attrocities despite an utter lack of any evidence he'd done anything wrong.

Just shows the lengths (depths) they'll go to.

 

[Stylesjl]

Shes dead now, and those idiots tortured her to death by starving her i hope truily hope they are happy for what they decided to do

They should of injected her or gassed her it would have much easier

Thats why i support eutheinesia

 

[FriendlyFire]

Bush said his request for the probe was not meant to suggest wrongdoing by Michael Schiavo.

ROFLMAO

Bush orders a enquirey into Michael Schiavo. (Most likely as a form of pay back).

EDIT: My bad I failed to read the whole post before replaying.
Hits self for suggesting that Bush vigiously oppossed the 9/11 commission.

 

[Scrimshaw]

A Florida prosecutor is now looking into the possibility of foul play being involved. The Florida prosecutor agreed to investigate this after being asked to do it by the Governor of Florida. This is one of the discrepancies that is the cause of the prosecutorial investigation:

"In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie McCabe, the governor said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5:00 am on February 25, 1990, and he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about 4:30 am. He called the emergency services at 5:40 am."

First, why does he contradict himself by saying that it was 5 AM in 1992 when he said it was 4:30 AM in 1990. Further, whether it was 5 AM or 4:30 AM, if it was at 5 AM, then that's a whopping 40 minute delay in calling emergency services and if it's at 4:30 AM it's a whopping 70 minute delay. So by his own self-contradictory testimony there was a 40 to 70 minute delay. Why the delay? This is very strong circumstantial evidence that there was foul play. Don't be surprised if other evidence turns up and he ends up getting indicted.

I forget exact times all the time when asked when I did something recently if there isn't a landmark to go by (like I just got off work or whatever). Plus he was under stress so remembering the exact time is not easy. I'm off by 30 minutes when asked again about something more then a few days later, I wouldn't take it as a lie.
In my case you'd be lucky to get an exact date from me if you ask far enough in the future.

The autosopy was not even able to determine that it was a heart attack that led to her condition. The cause of what led to her disabled condition was not able to be determined at all. Anyway, as I wrote above, a Florida prosecutor is now looking into this.

Shouldn't they have done more research at the time? Who takes victims husbands word for it unless he's a doctor?

 

[wit>trope]

ROFLMAO

Bush orders a enquirey into Michael Schiavo. (Most likely as a form of pay back).

He didn't order it in the sense of requiring it. He only requested one in a letter and the Florida prosecutor voluntarily agreed to it. So it was ultimately the Florida prosecutor's decision. He found Governor Bush's request to have merit.

 

[wit>trope]

I forget exact times all the time when asked when I did something recently if there isn't a landmark to go by (like I just got off work or whatever). Plus he was under stress so remembering the exact time is not easy. I'm off by 30 minutes when asked again about something more then a few days later, I wouldn't take it as a lie.

Even if he just got the time off by 30 minutes one of those times and got it right the other of those times, there's still the question of a 40 minute or 70 minute delay in calling emergency services.

You all know that he went public with a girlfriend who he has children with while his wife was in her disabled condition. That's a powerful motive for everything he may have done. He's not exactly the faithful husband type.

 

[FredLC]

Well, I will not judge the merits of his faithfullness to the Late Miss Schiavo, but I tell you this: the fact that he bought this batyle in order to do what, in his opinion, was ending her suffering, and that he took all the unpopularity and flaming attached to publicaly defend euthanasia, against major authorities of the country no less, does show that he cared profoundly for her. If he didn't gave a damn for his ex-wife, he would be more than happy to leave her to the care of her parents (and to a life of suffering, at least in his opinion).

Besides, caring for someone that is hopelessly detached to the world is a major commitment, that many people are not willing to do. I can perfectly understand that he didn't feel he should remain chaste until the time of her eventual death, and still see that he did had profound feelings for her.

IMHO, even if he did cheated on her while she was all right (don't know if that is the case, and for your wording it does not seen to be), he redeemed himfelf completely when he didn't abandon her to the religious zeal of her parents.

Regards .

 

[wit>trope]

Well, I will not judge the merits of his faithfullness to the Late Miss Schiavo, but I tell you this: the fact that he bought this batyle in order to do what, in his opinion, was ending her suffering, and that he took all the unpopularity and flaming attached to publicaly defend euthanasia, against major authorities of the country no less, does show that he cared profoundly for her.

No it doesn't. It just shows that:

1. He may have been trying to cover up a crime by having her killed AND CREMATED when she never wanted to be cremated in the first place.

2. Once it got in the public eye, he wouldn't want to reverse course at any point anyway even putting aside a motive for covering up foul play since reversing course at that point would just ruins one's reputation.

If he didn't gave a damn for his ex-wife, he would be more than happy to leave her to the care of her parents (and to a life of suffering, at least in his opinion).

He didn't care for her fully. He ordered that therapy be not given to her. One of the nurses who witnessed this has now spoken out. She tried to help Terri with something but was told by him that she couldn't since that was "therapy."

I can perfectly understand that he didn't feel he should remain chaste until the time of her eventual death, and still see that he did had profound feelings for her.

You don't express profound feelings for someone by continuing to cheat on them and live with another woman.

I don't know why you talk about her parents' "religious zeal" since according to her husband, they aren't very religious.

BTW, the lead lawyer for the Gore side in Bush versus Gore -- the US Supreme Court case that decided the 2000 election -- has expressed sympathy and support for Terri Shiavo and her family's plight, saying for example that the US Court of Appeals ought to stay the withdrawal of food and water from Terri (back when she was still alive).