[GS] Science victory - GS - Elimination thread

[Icicle]

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [13]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [26]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [12] (15-3) Controversial and unpopular opinion - Indonesia is a worse science civ than Korea.
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [27]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21. Kristina/Sweden [9]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [25]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [16]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27] 26+1 I have seen some absolutely silly hive-mind calamities in these elimination threads, but triple downvote on Korea in a Science Victory contest with more than half the field remaining may be the all time most silly.
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [29]

 

[whacker]

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [13]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [26]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13] (12+1=13) Yep, on water maps Indonesia can easily challenge Korea in SV. Strong adjacency bonus for every district, solid unique improvement, decent faith generation+free Pantheon. Probably the best UU for water maps. (a stronger, faster frigate that comes at mercenaries and does not require niter...it really does not get much better than this). I have no clue how Indonesia can be rated so low in a SV.
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [27]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21.Kristina/Sweden [6] (9-3=6) Not geared towards a SV at all.
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [25]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [16]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [29]

 

[Disgustipated]

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [13]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [26]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [27]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21.Kristina/Sweden [3] = 6 - 3. Just not suited for Science victory at all as mentioned above. Scientist points that may or may not get you 1 great scientist is not a game changer. Not to mention many bonuses don't come into play until mid game.
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [25]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [16]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [28] = 27 + 1 The only way these threads would have any validity is if everyone voted played each civ on the same map and limited their number of cities to something like 10. I certainly won't, took a year for me to play all the civs as is. But I will imagine the civs being limited to the same map settings and number of cities. Nubia is my fastest Science victory by far, but also had many more cities than Korea. Korea can do it with less cities and is closest perhaps to being a true tall civ. This civ can accomplish a SV under harsher conditions than the other civs on this list which rely on better conditions.
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [29]

 

[Beaver79]

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [13]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [26]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28] = [27 + 1] He can get high adjacency for all districts and not have to keep rain forest.
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21.Kristina/Sweden [3]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [22] = [25 - 3] I'm confused. So it's ok to go to war to pillage stuff with Norway for a science victory, but it's not ok to go to war with Genghis to take stuff for a science victory. Is it ok to peacefully take cities with Eleanor? I find all of those things make for a faster science victory. With that said I'm voting against Pedro because I don't like his low production, low pop, high adjacency cities.
30. Pericles/Greece [25]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [16]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [28]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [29]

 

[enKage]

Slightly earlier cause I go to bed earlier

Slowly it becomes popularity thread, not SV thread, so we may expect to have Cree eliminated before Friday, as one guy after so many elimination games still not understand it is rude to downvote everyday the same

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [13]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [26]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21.Kristina/Sweden [3]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [22]
30. Pericles/Greece [25]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [16]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23] 26-3 I don't want to downvote Kristina and Catherine again. Somehow the most boring civ ever and the most overrated one was ranked higher than Aztec (!), Vicky, Dido (!), and believe it or not, even higher than Alex and Pericles (!!??? the world went mad). Having non existing UU, UI not worth working, "benefitting" from non exiting casus belli and favoring the worst district to keep other bonus running, only science factor rescues Scotland from being bottom tier civ, let's say, Khmer tier. Strong GP generation is very good and enables getting Hypatia on deity and others (if no Korea in game), but you need to be high on ammenities to get this. And you know what others do that time? Sell ammenities, buy builders / settlers / units, EXPAND. And who cares +10/+20% bonus prod and science, when playing nearly every other civ your empire would be at least 50% larger, in terms of size of cities, number of cities or usually both? Oh, I forgot culture. Any bonus to district limit? Any bonus to growth / housing to reach district limit to build theatres? None. Sorry Bruce, in my eyes you are just a weakling. And AI proves your weakness as Scotland in most games is nothing but a background.
SV is a very complex victory condition, unlike for example religious. Having none direct bonuses to science, but many uniques working good together (Aztecs, Inca, Maori, Cree, Japan, Indonesia, kongo, Vicky, Gorgo...) is often better than direct bonus to science. Not to mention all mentioned civs have also planB and often C for science victory if A fails due to map / other conditions.. Scotland has only plan A.
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [28]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [30] 29+1 Culture is very important for SV. Wilhelmina gets high adj to IZ and campuses, but we tend to forget she gets the highest adj for theatres squares and can pump culture from theatres better then anyone. Surely deserves leading now.

 

[lotrmith]

Slightly earlier cause I go to bed earlier

Slowly it becomes popularity thread, not SV thread, so we may expect to have Cree eliminated before Friday, as one guy after so many elimination games still not understand it is rude to downvote everyday the same

It's okay, I don't take it so personal that I'll hive-mind downvote a no-question-top-5 SV civ in retribution for someone downvoting my favorite civ that isn't even top 10 material. Russia is my favorite Civ but I helped take it out early because imho it doesn't belong in the top 10 and anything that doesn't rightfully belong in the top 10 isn't worth the effort of defending for a higher place finish.

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [13]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [26]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21.Kristina/Sweden [3]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [22]
30. Pericles/Greece [25]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [13] 16 - 3 Housing doesn't matter when your ideal city size is 7 and when 4 will still suffice. The execution of a good SV is a little complicated but the premise is not. (1) Build campuses. You cannot even meet the SV conditions by any means without first researching key late techs including a blind search through the future era techs. (2) Sprinkle some culture to get recorded history (science boost), a T3 govt (builder project rush ability only really needed for final laser rushes), and *maybe* space agency (further science boost). Even a low culture civ will rocket past these culture goals with a well planned moon landing chop. (3) Pepper some IZs not for the production but rather for some key engineers to increase your space project chopping power. That's it.
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29] 28 + 1 @Icicle said it best

I have seen some absolutely silly hive-mind calamities in these elimination threads, but triple downvote on Korea in a Science Victory contest with more than half the field remaining may be the all time most silly.

Guaranteed half-price 4-adjacency campuses in every city with minimal planning that isn't hurt by chopping adjacent forests or planting adjacent mines (looking at Aus). In fact, adjacent mines further assist with more science. Campus spam either through natural or conquest or both is the #1 deciding factor for a SV. It just so happens that Hwachas (and a significant early tech lead) are infinitely superior to Cree scouts when it comes time to forcefully expand.
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [30]

 

[whacker]

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [13]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23] (26-3=23) Not who he was used to be when knights were more dominant. Still a decent civ, just adjusting the rating a bit.
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21.Kristina/Sweden [3]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [22]
30. Pericles/Greece [26] (25+1=26) Good at everything except conquering. Cheap TD that has good adjacency and gives envois. More envois translate to more science, culture, money, faith and production. The joker card slot is very versatile from start to finish, +5% culture/suzerain starts slow but once it gets roling it is insane.
33. Poundmaker/Cree [13]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [30]

Housing doesn't matter when your ideal city size is 7 and when 4 will still suffice. The execution of a good SV is a little complicated but the premise is not. (1) Build campuses. You cannot even meet the SV conditions by any means without first researching key late techs including a blind search through the future era techs. (2) Sprinkle some culture to get recorded history (science boost), a T3 govt (builder project rush ability only really needed for final laser rushes), and *maybe* space agency (further science boost). Even a low culture civ will rocket past these culture goals with a well planned moon landing chop. (3) Pepper some IZs not for the production but rather for some key engineers to increase your space project chopping power. That's it.

I really dont want to be rude, but this is the worst summary of a well executed SV i have read in a while.

1. The ideal city size is 10 because you want the 50% more science from the enlightenment card.
2. One of the reasons to emphasise culture in a SV is to get to an early t3 goverment so you can actually build all projects with builders, then get to t4 government and +5% science from suzerain card with all the culture overflow from the moon landing. The laser projects should be chopped in afterwards with +30% from t4 government.
3. Engineers are not important for a good execution, the reason why you need some IZs is to power your research labs.

I`m not the kind of guy who wants to tell everybody how to play their game, but if you are roadmapping a good SV this is the most efficient way.
I also apologize for this off topic post, but i had to put this right.

 

[Hogimus]

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10] (13-3) People debating between the actual SV civs, and this oddity is still here. Yes, RNDY lets Eleanor have good a Free Inquiry age, but that's not guaranteed, and it's a dedication that stops after what, the Renaissance? After that, she's vanilla until she can get powered research labs.
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21.Kristina/Sweden [3]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [22]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [13]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31] (30+1)I'll throw Wilhelmina an upvote because I just did a SV as her, and those river adjacencies are very nice!

 

[bengalryan9]

1. Alexander/Macedon [25]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
21.Kristina/Sweden [eliminated] Trimming the list... the reasoning has been previously explained by others.
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [22]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14] (13+1) So my first thought about Cree in this thread was that they don't look like they have much going for them, but then I randomly rolled Poundmaker in my current game and I think there's something there. I find myself in the lead in both science AND culture on deity, despite getting very little in the way of campus adjacencies (I think I have one lone mountain in my territory). Mekewaps and extra food from trade routes lead to large populations which allow you to really take advantage of Rationalism and Grand Opera cards... there's something there. My cities are rocking and rolling production-wise. I didn't start the game with the intention of reaching an SV, but that seems to be the way I'm headed. He's still probably not as good as others on the list, but I think he's better than several still around.
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

This is typically the point where these threads go off the rails as people get a little over-contentious. Deep breath guys, Korea isn't going anywhere.

 

[BenitoChavez]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22] = 25 - 3. I'm downvoting because most of the other warmongers are already gone and this thread seems to focus mostly on peaceful play because otherwise this thread would just be all domination civs. Yet Alex's UA can get basically all the eurekas which is a huge amount of science and culture and is insanely strong that it can't be ignored. Alex is in kind of a weird spot.
2. Amanitore/Nubia [16]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [22]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24] = 23 + 1. In my opinion the best science civ. Gets strong percentage based yields for science and production and basically all the great scientists and engineers. Plus the UI gets extra amenities which is another percentage based yield on top of that. You can also abuse the hell out of the leader bonus if you play the diplomacy game along with doing some exploration. What's not to love? Ok the highlander. I'll give you that.

Another post went on about how they basically weren't a combination of Phoenicia, Germany, India, and Greece. Well no civ is. But even a vanilla civ can still grow their cities to 10 pop, build theater districts, sell amenities/diplo favor/strategic resources to the AI for gold, and whatever else is necessary to build a well rounded civ. The fact of the matter Scotland gets a large direct bonus to the most important yield (science) and a strong secondary yield (production). Only a few other civs can compete with that.
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[Leucarum]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [13] (16-3) Is Amanitore invisible? She's not got much going for her in science compared to the rest of this list...
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [22]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23] I haven't generally enjoyed China games (even though they are mechanically strong) so I haven't won a science victory as them. Held off on voting either way here as a result. I think my next game should be a china/science game to try it out. It definitely looks different.
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18] (17+1) Others have highlighted the importance of culture for a science victory. Don't think they should really be dropping yet given how easily they can grab some early culture and start snowballing.
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[kryat]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [13]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [23] (26-3) It is with great sadness that I downvote the mighty Hansa. It’s a great district that will build your spaceships quickly. But Freddy doesn’t have direct bonuses to science otherwise, unlike most of the others still on this list who are in the 20s. He might be a top 10, but he’s not top 5.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [23] (22+1) Excellent adjacency bonuses, and hoardes Great People.
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[Disgustipated]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [14] = 13 + 1 My fastest science victory ever (I'm including Rise and Fall games) is with her, I feel like I have to give her at least 1 upvote. I don't care what I said about warmongers in my first post. On a limited city basis Korea is tops, but the good thing about this game is it offers flexibility for civs like Nubia. They can't win science with limited cities like Korea, but they can win science with many cities. That counts for something. In case anyone is curious, as I said Nubia is my fastest followed by Kupe which was 39 turns slower on epic speed followed by Cleopatra 4 turns slower than Kupe followed by Korea 3 turns slower than Cleopatra. All epic speed games. 39 turns faster is astonishing, that means something.
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [20] = 23 - 3 One thing I've noticed looking at my hall of fame is how civs that look good on paper, really aren't that fast on my list. Civs like China, Brazil, and yes Germany are very slow turn times. Problem with Germany is it takes a long time to set up your Commercial Hub/Hansa circles. Now you don't really have to do that, especially if going for science victory, but it's kind of nice. You could build campus first, then hansa, then commercial hub. But unless you start in a mountainous area, which I rarely do with Germany, your science still isn't going to be great. My Germany times are always slow. Very fun civ, but they don't really excel at science victory.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[Bangau]

Matthias was mistakingly deleted from the thread a page ago (there was a mismatch between the finish list and the remaining contenders list, so I checked all entries to find out what was wrong). I won't tell who it was, but having over 10K messages and being the most helpful and kind person I know around here on this forum allows for a little mistake like this. ;-)

Also: I love your passion, fellow fanatics, but please stay kind about each others opinions. They are just that, opinions (... on the internet...).

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [14]
3. Catherine/France [4] (7-3) The way I use them, spies (her key ingredient) are useful to protect spaceports and maybe city centers and IZ in a SV. Catching up on science with spies is not something I do very often in a science race. Maybe I'm using them wrong? Not sure. Of the remaining, one of the weaker ones.
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [24] (23+1) To be honest, I have not done a SV with them (yet), but I remember the fastest SV I've seen anyone do (the well known top player from China whose name I don't recall at the moment) was with Qin. The builder charges and getting a bunch of useful wonders way more easy than any other is a science force of its own.
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[Pure24]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [14]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [12] = 15-3. The early science ain't bad at all, but it's more of a compensation for not settling on turn 1. The rest of the bonuses are great, too - especially turn 1 Cartography - but I find to be highly inconsistent.
The other trouble is what it means to be 'good' at Science Victory. Is it how fast you can win, how much science you produce by the time you're winning, the best you've ever done, or which civ really fulfills the best of all of the above, in addition to having a science flavour to them?
Maori DEFINITELY do not 'feel' like a science civ
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [30] = 29+1. I'm sorry, being 'easy' is a bad thing? Yeah, it's a civ even newcomers can play well. Hence, great civ. That some civs require more planning or skill just adds to their difficulty and situational benefit, and accessibility is relevant when determining how good a civ is at going for a particular victorv. I remember a thread once about how you can get great end-game science with any civ, so it being 'otherwise vanilla' isn't really a point against Korea either. I mean, I do think Australia is REALLY good - the options aren't binary, after all. But as for the Korea being 'overrated', I'm not sure it is a well-supported sentiment outside of anecdotes.
What pushes Korea to being the best at Science Victories hands down for me is it's capability in the hands of the A.I. I've never seen any other civ come anywhere close to being consistently as good at competing for a SV. Also anecdotal, admittedly, so I guess it's part the whole fun of such threads. It gets your blood boiling when your personal favourite/hated civ isn't voted your way, I love it!
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[Victoria]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [11] (14-3) does well in SV due to violence pure and simple. As we have voted out nearly every other violent SV I feel this is just here through love
3. Catherine/France [4]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [20]
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21] Added in again as Pure24 missed it,corrected other votes as pennance. My bad tho.
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [24]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [19] (18+1) He just cannot be below Victoria, it would be wrong.
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [11]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21] (20+1) You know what else is nice about her? All those extra trade routes. Perfect for being able to afford buying buildings in your campuses all across your far-flung empire, then re-directing them from your spaceport city for extra production.
9. Eleanor/England [10]
10. Frederick/Germany [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [18] (21-3) Greece is indeed really good for SV, but more so Pericles and his city state synergy and using the International Space Agency card. Gorgo is all about a quick culture rush whose effectiveness peters out over time.
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [12]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [27]
29. Pedro/Brazil [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[Icicle]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [11]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
9. Eleanor/England [7] (10-3) Nothing that really helps that much.
10. Frederick/Germany [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [18]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21] get back in there you
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [28] (27+1) Mountain bias + huge cities = Ez Spaceship.
29. Pedro/Brazil [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [23]
37. Seondeok/Korea [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[lotrmith]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [11]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
9. Eleanor/England [7]
10. Frederick/Germany [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [18]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway[27]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [28]
29. Pedro/Brazil [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20] 23 - 3 Not his time to go yet but worth noting that his science bonuses have a huge opportunity cost. Requires a Holy Holy > Shrine > Temple > Worship for a 10% boost to an individual city, when all that investment could have been much better spent on founding another city. +1 science per converted foreign city is such a small boost, again for investing faith in religious units instead of monumentality settlers (and why not just win RV at that point).
37. Seondeok/Korea [31] 30 + 1 Stronger than Netherlands.
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]

 

[enKage]

It's okay, I don't take it so personal that I'll hive-mind downvote a no-question-top-5 SV civ in retribution for someone downvoting my favorite civ that isn't even top 10 material. Russia is my favorite Civ but I helped take it out early because imho it doesn't belong in the top 10 and anything that doesn't rightfully belong in the top 10 isn't worth the effort of defending for a higher place finish.

The thing is I strongly defend Cree only in last elimination games which were:
UI, where Mekewaps are easily top3 material
Diplo thread where Cree are easily top10 material
SV where Cree are not top10, but top15 material.
All spoilt by someone's sabotage. Let take Poundmaker the place he deserves
And Scotland is not top 5 material, at least not before they remove Pericles, Alex, Seondok, Wilgelmina, Curtin, Vicky, Dido, Qin, Montezuma (...) from game.

Believe me, my first downvote in tourism thread would go to Cree as well as maybe third in religion thread. I reaaly can do it. My first downvote in doplothread went to Alex, my 2nd fav civ

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [11]
3. Catherine/France [7]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
9. Eleanor/England [7]
10. Frederick/Germany [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [13]
15. Gorgo/Greece [18]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [24] 27-3 Too high ranking, when the only thing they offer is pillaging improvements, when AI is poor at developing and repairing land anyway
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [28]
20. John Curtin/Australia [30]
22. Kupe/Maori [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [22] 21 +1 Some love to Aztec. Ceazy strong early game and useful other uniques through the rest of the game (except UI)
28. Pachacuti/Inca [28] - surprised to see so high. But would never downvote to make it level, just because I crazy love their unit which can conquer half of the map to secure science domination
29. Pedro/Brazil [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [26]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [14]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [31]