Scores survive Turkish airliner crash in Amsterdam

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And all of a sudden, we're in the news:

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Scores survive Turkish airliner crash in Amsterdam

By TOBY STERLING – 1 hour ago
HAARLEMMERLIEDE, Netherlands (AP) — A Turkish Airlines jetliner plummeted out of the mist and plowed into a muddy field Wednesday near Amsterdam's main airport, but nearly everyone on board — 125 people — survived. The nine dead included both pilots.
The Boeing 737-800 was en route from Istanbul to Amsterdam carrying 134 people when it suddenly lost speed and fell out of the sky about two miles short of the runway at Schiphol Airport, investigators said.
The jetliner broke into three pieces upon impact: the fuselage tore in two near the cockpit and the tail was ripped off. Despite the catastrophic impact, the wreckage did not burn and scores of people walked away.
Survivor Huseyin Sumer said he crawled to safety out of a crack in the fuselage.
"We were about to land, we could not understand what was happening, some passengers screamed in panic, but it happened so fast," Sumer said on Turkish NTV, adding that the crash was over in 5 to 10 seconds.
Another survivor, Jihad Alariachi, said there was no warning from the cockpit to brace for landing before the ground loomed up through the mist and drizzle.
"We braked really hard, but that's normal in a landing. And then the nose went up. And then we bounced ... with the nose aloft," she said, adding that she and her sister scrambled out an emergency exit.
More than 50 people were injured, about half of them seriously.
Authorities said the toll could have been far higher if the plane had not gone down in mud, which lessened the impact and helped avert a fire from breaking out in the ruptured fuel tanks and lines on the underside of the fuselage.
In addition, having reached its destination, the plane would have used up most of its fuel, lessening the chances of a fuel-driven fire. Authorities would not say whether the plane sent out a distress call before the crash.
"The fact that the plane landed on a soft surface and that there was no fire helped keep the number of fatalities low," Turkish Transport Minister Binali Yildirim said, adding that it was "a miracle" there were not more casualties.
The head of the Dutch Safety Authority, Pieter van Vollenhoven, said the plane appeared to have lost speed before crashing and witnesses said it dropped from about 300 feet.
"You see that because of a lack of speed it literally fell out of the sky," he told NOS radio after visiting the crash site.
Four Boeing employees traveling on business were aboard the plane, according to Jim Proulx, a spokesman for the company. All four are based in the Seattle area, he said, but he would not provide further details until their families had been notified.
He said Boeing was sending a team to provide technical assistance to Dutch safety officials as they investigate. The plane's flight data recorders were recovered and were to be analyzed by experts.
Experts say crashes involving modern airliners are more survivable due to engineering advances that have resulted in strengthened structures and fire ******ant technologies used for cabin seats and furnishings, as well as better emergency training of cockpit and cabin crews.
The most dramatic example of passenger survival was the Hudson River landing last month of a US Airways Airbus A320 that lost engine power when it struck a flock of birds. All 155 passengers and crew lived despite the watery landing.
As with Wednesday's crash, most of the survivable accidents have occurred at or near airports, and in most cases, the pilots maintained control, maneuvering to soften the final impact.
"What's notable about all those is that we've seen a number of recent-model aircraft involved in accidents that have been survivable," said William Voss, a former Federal Aviation Administration official and president of the independent Flight Safety Foundation based in Alexandria, Va.
"Decades of lessons have obviously been applied to cabin design and its survivability, and the cabin crews are doing their jobs on evacuation," Voss said.
At first, Turkish Airlines said everyone survived Wednesday's crash. But Michel Bezuijen, acting mayor of Haarlemmermeer, later reported the fatalities. He initially said 135 people were on board, but changed that figure to 134.
Investigators said two pilots and an apprentice pilot were among the dead. Hours after the crash, emergency crews still swarmed around the cockpit, where the pilots' bodies were later removed.
A retired pilot who listened to a radio exchange between air traffic controllers and the aircraft shortly before the crash said he didn't hear anything unusual.
"Everything appeared normal," said Joe Mazzone, a former Delta Air Lines captain who flew with the carrier for 23 years. "They were given clearance to descend to 7,000 feet."
Just before the end of the 52-second recording — captured by the Web site LiveATC.net — the last thing heard is the controllers giving the tower frequency to the pilots and instructing them to get clearance to land, said Mazzone, who lives in Auburn, Ala. He added that the pilots acknowledged the instruction.
There was no way to tell from the Web recording if there was more communication between the aircraft and the officials at the airport or exactly how long the exchange came prior to the crash, though Mazzone said the point where the transmission ended would likely have been 2 to 4 minutes before the plane would have normally landed.
Six of the injured were in critical condition, 25 were seriously hurt and 24 had slight injuries, health authorities said. Survivors were taken to 11 hospitals including an emergency field hospital set up by the military in the central city of Utrecht.
There were 72 Turks and 32 Dutch citizens on board, the Turkish ambassador to the Netherlands, Selahattin Alpar, told the Anatolia news agency.
Investigators will explore a wide range of possible causes, ranging from weather-related factors to insufficient fuel or loss, navigational errors, pilot fatigue or bird strikes. Experts say initial results could be made public soon because of the sophistication of the Boeing 737-800s black box, although the full report will likely not be ready before the end of the year.
Weather at the airport at the time of the crash was cloudy with a slight drizzle.
Candan Karlitekin, the head of the airline's board of directors, told reporters that visibility was clear at about 5,000 yards. "Some 550 yards before landing, the plane landed on a field instead of the runway," he said, adding the plane's documents were checked and there was no maintenance problems.
Turkish Airlines chief Temel Kotil said the captain, Hasan Tahsin, was an experienced former air force pilot. Turkish officials said the plane was built in 2002 and last underwent thorough maintenance on Dec. 22.
Turkish Airlines has had several serious crashes since 1974, when 360 people died in the crash of a DC-10 near Paris after a cargo door came off. More recently, in 2003, 75 died when an RJ-100 missed the runway in heavy fog in the southeastern Turkish city of Diyarbakir.
Boeing's 737 is the world's best-selling commercial jet, with more than 6,000 orders since the model was launched in 1965.
The 737-800, a recent version of the plane, has a "very good safety record," said Voss. "It has been involved in a couple of accidents, but nothing that relates directly back to the aircraft."
Associated Press Writers Mike Corder in The Hague, Slobodan Lekic in Brussels and Suzan Fraser in Ankara, Turkey, and Airlines Writer Harry R. Weber in Atlanta contributed to this report.



(There will be investigations ofcourse, both in the Netherlands and in Turkey. A prediction though, if I may: it will turn out that the crew, at the cost of their own lives, did their best to put the plane down as safely as possible.)
 
Cool that that many people survived. But that dude's name is Jihad? WTH?
 
More news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7913538.stm

Engine failure clue in jet crash


The plane crashed short of the runway where it had been due to land

Engine failure may have been a factor in Wednesday's crash of a Turkish Airlines plane at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport, the chief investigator says.
Pieter van Vollenhoven told Dutch state television that the way the aircraft fell directly from the sky suggested that its engines might have stalled.
Nine people were killed when the Boeing 737-800 crashed short of the runway.
A Dutch official said those killed were five Turks and four Americans. Six people remain in a critical condition.
Eighty-six people were injured altogether.
Mr Van Vollenhoven, chairman of the Dutch Safety Board, said a reason for the apparent engine failure had not yet been established.

That so many people were able to walk out was truly remarkable


Fred Sanders
Dutch Safety Board



Making plane crashes less deadly

"If you then lose speed, you then literally fall out of the sky," he was quoted as saying. Dutch officials have taken the flight data and voice recorders to Paris, where French authorities are providing technical assistance.
Mr Van Vollenhoven said analysis of the recorders might be completed as early as Friday, but that the Dutch Safety Board would probably not announce any preliminary findings until next week.
"We hope to have a firmer grip as soon as possible," he told NOS television, adding that the information retrieved from the recorders was of high quality and would aid reconstruction of the accident.
Data analysis
The aircraft had been carrying 127 passengers and seven crew when it came down several hundred yards short of Schiphol airport's runway, about three hours after it left Istanbul's Ataturk airport.
It broke into three pieces on impact. Fire did not break out and within minutes those capable of walking began staggering out of the wreck.
Three of those killed were members of the crew. Dutch officials said most of the passengers on board had been Turkish.




How the Schiphol crash happened

Theo Weterings, the mayor of the Haarlemmermeer district which includes Schiphol, said 63 injured passengers were still in care, six in a critical condition.
"Four of them are in such a severe condition that we have not been able to communicate with them," he told a news conference.
He said the priority was to identity the victims and inform their relatives.
Fred Sanders, a spokesman for the Dutch Safety Board, said it was remarkable that so many people had been able to walk out of the crash.
"Some have called it a miracle," he added.
Turkish Transport Minister Binali Yildirim also described the low death toll as a miraculous.
"The fact that the plane landed on a soft surface and that there was no fire helped keep the number of fatalities low," he said.
Mr Sanders said the investigation at the scene of the crash would take a few days, after which the wreckage would be removed.
Pilot 'experienced'
The Turkish transport ministry said 78 Turkish nationals and 56 people of other nationalities had been on board the plane.

SCHIPHOL ACCIDENTS
27 October 2005: A fire at the airport's detention centre killed 11 people and injured 15
4 April 1994: Three people were killed and 13 seriously injured when a KLM flight carrying 24 people crashed on landing
4 October 1992: An El Al Boeing 747 cargo plane crashed into an apartment block after takeoff, killing 43 people



In pictures: Schiphol plane crash
Turkish plane crash: witnesses

Candan Karlitekin, head of Turkish Airlines' board of directors, said records showed the plane had been properly maintained. The pilot, a former Turkish air force officer, was highly experienced, she added.
Survivor Jihad Alariachi said there had been no warning from the cockpit to brace for landing before the ground loomed up through the mist.
"We braked really hard, but that's normal in a landing. Then the nose went up. And then we bounced... with the nose aloft," she said.
Witnesses on the ground described seeing the plane appear to glide through the air, having lost all propulsion, before hitting the ground and breaking into three pieces.
 
As concerns the crash itself, I did notice that both the Turkish and Dutch prime ministers were issueing statements; the Dutch PM Balkenende, who visited the crash site and hospitalized passengers, praised the aid services for a job well done. That may be so, but I found it remarkable that aid workers were on the spot in 1 hour, when most survivors were already on the ground and helping other passengers out of the plane wreck. PM Erdogan stated that there was nothing wrong with the plane, which is odd considering the black box hadn't even been examined yet, although it is true that the plane had undergone repairs prior to its flight from Istanbul to Amsterdam. Recorded flight conversation showed no concern by the pilots or crew on their approach to Schiphol Airport immediately prior to the crash. As it is, both nations are already starting investigations into the cause of the crash.
 
I find the coverage of this by the Turkish press rather disgusting. They've blamed everything and everyone for this incident, while there is now we yet of knowing what caused this crash.
 
Preliminary findings show:

Bad altimeter a factor in Netherlands plane crash



By TOBY STERLING


AMSTERDAM (AP) — A faulty flight instrument aboard a Turkish jetliner lowered the plane's airspeed, setting off warning signals in the cockpit and prompting the pilots to try and accelerate before it crashed in the Netherlands, officials said Wednesday.
The Turkish Airlines plane carrying 135 passengers and crew crashed less than a mile from the runway at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport shortly before it was due to land on Feb. 25. Nine people were killed.
The pilots, who died in the crash, were landing on automatic pilot when the altimeter, a device that measures altitude, registered that the plane was flying lower than it actually was and instructed the plane to decelerate, officials said.
The Boeing 737-800 had twice before experienced problems with its altimeter, said Dutch Safety Authority chief investigator, Pieter van Vollenhoven, at a news conference at The Hague.
He said the Safety Authority has warned Boeing of the problem and asked the company to alert customers that when altimeters are not functioning properly "the automatic pilot and the gas system coupled to them may not be used for approach and landing."
Boeing said it was reminding all operators of its 737s to carefully monitor primary flight instruments during critical phases, adding that it was carefully monitoring the fleet.
The Deputy Chairman of Turkey's Pilot's Association Ahmet Izgi said during an interview with Turkey's NTV said the preliminary findings were "not satisfactory" and that it was odd the pilots didn't react to the altimeter.
"It is also not logical that it was not changed after malfunction," he told Turkey's NTV news channel.
The pilot's association had earlier suggested the crash was due to "wake turbulence" from a large plane, a Boeing 757, that had landed at Schiphol Airport two minutes earlier. Wake turbulence forms behind an aircraft as it passes through the air.
Using data recovered from the jet's black boxes, Van Vollenhoven described how investigators believe the crash happened. He said it would be for courts to apportion blame.
At 1950 feet, "the airplane's left radio altimeter suddenly registered a change in altitude" to negative 8 feet (about 2 meters). "It didn't only register it, but passed it on to the automatic steering system," Van Vollenhoven said.
According to conversation recorded between the plane's captain, first officer and an extra first officer on the flight, the pilots noticed the faulty altimeter but didn't consider it a problem and didn't react, Van Vollenhoven said.
Gas to the engines was reduced and the plane lost speed, decelerating until, at a height of 450 feet, the plane was about to stall. Warning systems alerted the pilots.
"From the "black box" (data recorders) it appears that then the pilots immediately gave gas, full gas, however it was too late to recover," Van Vollenhoven said.
He said that the pilots had been unable to see the runway at the time the plane began its descent due to weather conditions — cloudy with a light rain. Van Vollenhoven said it was not unusual to land a plane on autopilot.
Eyewitnesses said it seemed to fall from the sky. Passengers who survived had noticed the pilot gunning the engines at the last minute. Some didn't realize the landing had gone wrong until other passengers began opening emergency doors.
Four Americans were killed in the crash, including three Boeing employees. As of Wednesday, 28 survivors were still hospitalized.
The investigation is expected to last until the end of the year.
Boeing's 737 is the world's best-selling commercial jet, with more than 6,000 orders since the model was launched in 1965.
The 737-800, a recent version of the plane, has a "very good safety record," said Bill Voss, president of the independent Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Va.

Associated Press Writer Gulden Alp contributed to this report from Ankara.

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_wBSqw0Ju245UxNtpJZ329K0LJgD96NB8Q06
 
Jihad doesn't necessarily mean Holy War:

Within Islamic belief, Muhammad is said to have regarded the inner struggle for faith the "greater jihad", prioritizing it over physical fighting in defense of the Ummah, or members of the global Islamic community.[8] One famous hadith has the prophet saying: "We have returned from the lesser jihad (battle) to the greater jihad (jihad of the soul)."[9] Muslim scholar Mahmoud Ayoub states that "The goal of true jihad is to attain a harmony between islam (submission), iman (faith), and ihsan (righteous living)."[10] Greater jihad can be compared to the struggle that Christians refer to as "resisting sin", i.e. fighting temptation, doubt, disbelief, or detraction. The greater jihad is about holding fast against any ideas and practices that run contrary to the Muhammad's revelations (Qur'an), sayings (Hadith) and the examples set by how he lived his life (Sunnah). This concept of jihad has does not correspond to any military action.
In Modern Standard Arabic, jihad is one of the correct terms for a struggle for any cause, violent or not, religious or secular (though كفاح kifāḥ is also used).[citation needed] For instance, Mahatma Gandhi's struggle for Indian independence is called a "jihad" in Modern Standard Arabic (as well as many other dialects of Arabic); the terminology is applied to the fight for women's liberation.[11]


(Quoted from Wikpedia Jihad entry)

EDIT: Anyway, it seems my prediction was way off; although Turkish media immediately claimed the pilots as heroes, I'm confused as to the fact why the left alt indicator's malfunction and the subsequent drop in speed and altitude by the autopilot wasn't corrected by the crew until too late (see post #9).
 
relying on the autopilot when you NOTICED a faulty / problematic (e.g. possibly faulty) instrument is stupid, stupid, stupid! Also stupid: if the autopilot does not notice the discordance and shut itself down.

I can hear my best friends voice right now:

Ping! (in an Airbus, discordant instruments kick out the autopilot and gives an aural warning)

'Oh, what's that one doing? - I have control.....'

End of problem.......in an Airbus


In a Boeing:


'Oh, what's that one doing? - I have control.....' (switches autopilot off)


End of problem.
:rolleyes:
 
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