SCOTUS rules that military has right to recruit on campus

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As well they should. The argument of the law schools was beyond shaky.

If you take the Fed's money, you play by the Fed's rules.
 
I'm not sure I see the issue here it's not like it's a press gang or something? People are not suddenly going to think yes the army life is for me unless they were leaning that way anyway? What an odd country you live in.

At my school it was more low brow they just had the cadets. So they indoctrinated you not their military scheme that way. But then I went to school in a city with the largest Naval base in the country and a huge concentration of military training in surrounding areas so who cares, already a huge exposure to the military/navy anyway?
 
There should not be any military recruiters reruiting for the Empire of America's military machine in our college campuses, regardless if they are public or private.
 
CivGeneral said:
There should not be any military recruiters reruiting for the Empire of America's military machine in our college campuses, regardless if they are public or private.

Does active military recruitment in anyway force people to make a choice or coerce people against their will? I fail to see any issue at all. If the Catholic church had a become a priest drive in a religous campus would it be that much different? I suspect you'd hardly find more Catholic priest recruitment but then I don't know those guys are pretty persuasive :)
 
I think that college is a place to weed the intelligent from the unintelligent.

The question "Do you want to educate yourself and have hope at a stable career, or join the military and risk your life instead?" should be asked as a weeding out process

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CivGeneral said:
There should not be any military recruiters reruiting for the Empire of America's military machine in our college campuses, regardless if they are public or private.
Why not? The military is a career and should be allowed to try and recruit some college students. The recruiters are not going into the colleges and press ganging the inhabitants, they are just showing what the military has to offer.
 
El_Machinae said:
I think that college is a place to weed the intelligent from the unintelligent.

The question "Do you want to educate yourself and have hope at a stable career, or join the military and risk your life instead?" should be asked as a weeding out process

[/lame humour]

It's darwinism in action;) I like the way your thinking:)

Evil Tyrant said:
Why not? The military is a career and should be allowed to try and recruit some college students. The recruiters are not going into the colleges and press ganging the inhabitants, they are just showing what the military has to offer.

And believe it or not the military has more to offer than just getting shot in a foreign country. No I kid you not you can get some pretty good post army careers.
 
Sidhe said:
Does active military recruitment in anyway force people to make a choice or coerce people against their will?
I just want to have a military free zone in our college campuses. I dont wish to see the military recruiters telling their lies to our college students.

While on topic, This applys to public high school. Under the NCLBA, if one attends a public high school, then that school is required to turn over my private information to the US military. I have oftenly wondered why I had been getting several phone calls from numorus recruiters when I did not even disclosed my phone number, and my number is an unlisted number!

As I looked into this NCLBA, I noticed that in Section 9528 that gave me the right to opt out of the military recruiting seen. I wished I had know about that while I was still in high school, then I would imediately in a heart beat sign that form stating that I do not wish for my private information to be passed to the military.

The website www.militaryfreezone.com just focuces just on the high school level. But I have yet to find one that focus on the college level.

There have been numorus clashes over military recruiters on our college campuses in recent years. Just this past December there was an incodent about it.

Associated Press said:
The US government will today argue that universities must accept military recruiters on campus if they accept federal money in a court case that could have far-reaching implications for college policy.

The Bush administration wants the supreme court to decide whether colleges should accept military recruiters even if they do not want them on campus because of the Pentagon's policy banning openly gay people from the military.

The implications of the ruling, expected to take several months, would likely extend beyond military recruitment and other strings could be attached to federal cash handouts.

In his submissions to the court, solicitor general Paul Clement said "the United States is doing no more than any other donor to, or contractor with, a university might reasonably do" by demanding access for its recruiters. Recruitment has been especially critical since the September 11 attacks, he said.

US colleges receive about $35bn a year from federal funds, and many college leaders say they could not do without that money.

But the issue goes to the heart of college policies, particularly those of law schools, regarding gay and lesbian students, who are barred from the military unless they keep their sexual orientation to themselves. Many law schools forbid the participation of recruiters from public agencies and private companies that have discriminatory policies.

Law schools have "a Hobson's choice: Either the university must forsake millions of dollars of federal funds largely unrelated to the law school, or the law school must abandon its commitment to fight discrimination," the Association of American Law Schools wrote in its court submission.

The federal law, known as the Solomon Amendment after its first congressional sponsor, mandates that universities, including their law and medical schools and other branches, give the military the same access as other recruiters or forfeit money from federal agencies like the education, labour and transportation departments.

Dozens of groups have filed briefs on both sides of the case, the first gay-rights related appeal since a contentious 2003 supreme court ruling that struck down laws criminalising gay sex.

The latest case stems from a lawsuit against the Pentagon by a group of law schools and professors claiming their free-speech rights are being violated on grounds they are forced to associate with military recruiters or promote their campus appearances.

Free-speech cases are often divisive at the court. If Samuel Alito, the president's nominee to succeed retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, is confirmed by the senate before the case is decided he could be called on to break any tie vote.

A panel of the Philadelphia-based 3rd US circuit court of appeals found it was reasonably likely that the law violated free speech rights. Mr Alito serves on that appeals court but was not involved in the case.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1660017,00.html
 
yeah but it's six feet of good old fashioned American soil and when you died it was in order to keep one hundred feet of soil as yours for as long as possible.:)
 
While I have no problems with the military doing recruitment on campus...


Evil Tyrant said:
<snip> they are just showing what the military has to offer.

Not sure whether the recruiters show "everything" that the military has to offer. i.e. the good and the bad. But then in that they are no different that any other recruiter.

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El_Machinae said:
I think that college is a place to weed the intelligent from the unintelligent.

Since most colleges do not seem to do that, it is good that the military is doing it for us. :D

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betazed said:
While I have no problems with the military doing recruitment on campus...




Not sure whether the recruiters show "everything" that the military has to offer. i.e. the good and the bad. But then in that they are no different that any other recruiter.

[cheap humor]



Since most colleges do not seem to do that, it is good that the military is doing it for us. :D

[/cheap humor]


Not all people who join the army are stupid, some go into intelligence if that's not a contradiction in terms;)
 
CivGeneral said:
There should not be any military recruiters reruiting for the Empire of America's military machine in our college campuses, regardless if they are public or private.

What Civgeneral seems to forget is that people serve in the military whether a republican or a democrat is president of the "EMPIRE".

El_Machinae said:
I think that college is a place to weed the intelligent from the unintelligent.

Please. How many intelligent billionaires do we have that never finished college? College is a place to learn things that you will most likely never use again in your life and get a degree so you can get a better paying job.
 
I don't see the army as some evil machine bent on corrupting people into giveing their lives up for fruitless causes necessarily, oh no wait this is the US.:joke:

Ok I'm done with the cheap shots. I'll stay on topic now:)

I just don't see the problem would you ban the military from a recruitment drive at a university, so say you'd say having IBM, Microsoft, Ford etc etc is fine but army life is not?
 
US colleges receive about $35bn a year from federal funds, and many college leaders say they could not do without that money.

Boy, it really sucks when the sleazy guy giving you the drugs for free at parties suddenly starts wanting you to pay for them, huh?
 
MobBoss said:
College is a place to learn things that you will most likely never use again in your life and get a degree so you can get a better paying job.
And to hook up. Dating gets SO much harder once you enter the working world...
 
Sidhe said:
I don't see the army as some evil machine bent on corrupting people into giveing their lives up for fruitless causes necessarily, oh no wait this is the US.:joke:

Ok I'm done with the cheap shots. I'll stay on topic now:)

I just don't see the problem would you ban the military from a recruitment drive tat a university, so say you'd say having IBM, Microsoft, Ford etc etc is fine but army life is not?

I spent four years at a university and saw nary a single corporate recruiter during my stay. Come to think of it, I didn't see any military recruiters there, either. ;)
 
CivGeneral said:
I just want to have a military free zone in our college campuses. I dont wish to see the military recruiters telling their lies to our college students.

Uhm...they dont lie. If they did, they wouldnt get many recruits in the long run. You tried this false accusation in another thread, and were shot down repeatedly by people who did sign up for bonus's and did get those education benefits no problem.

There have been numorus clashes over military recruiters on our college campuses in recent years. Just this past December there was an incodent about it.

Well, now with this SCOTUS ruling, we can tell exactly who is in the wrong when this happens.

Little Raven said:
And to hook up. Dating gets SO much harder once you enter the working world...

:goodjob: :goodjob: Met my wife doing exactly that. Good point!
 
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