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[JollyRoger]

David's son Absalom had a beautiful sister whose name was Tamar; and David's son Amnon fell in love with her. Amnon was so tormented that he made himself ill because of his sister Tamar, for she was a virgin and it seemed impossible to Amnon to do anything to her. But Amnon had a friend whose name was Jonadab, the son of David's brother Shimeah; and Jonadab was a very crafty man. He said to him, 'O son of the king, why are you so haggard morning after morning? Will you not tell me?' Amnon said to him, 'I love Tamar, my brother Absalom's sister.' Jonadab said to him, 'Lie down on your bed, and pretend to be ill; and when your father comes to see you, say to him, 'Let my sister Tamar come and give me something to eat, and prepare the food in my sight, so that I may see it and eat it from her hand.' So Amnon lay down, and pretended to be ill; and when the king came to see him, Amnon said to the king, 'Please let my sister Tamar come and make a couple of cakes in my sight, so that I may eat from her hand.'

Then David sent home to Tamar, saying, 'Go to your brother Amnon's house, and prepare food for him.' So Tamar went to her brother Amnon's house, where he was lying down. She took dough, kneaded it, made cakes in his sight, and baked the cakes. Then she took the pan and set them out before him, but he refused to eat. Amnon said, 'Send out everyone from me.' So everyone went out from him. Then Amnon said to Tamar, 'Bring the food into the chamber, so that I may eat from your hand.' So Tamar took the cakes she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother. But when she brought them near him to eat, he took hold of her, and said to her, 'Come, lie with me, my sister.' She answered him, 'No, my brother, do not force me; for such a thing is not done in Israel; do not do anything so vile! As for me, where could I carry my shame? And as for you, you would be as one of the scoundrels in Israel. Now therefore, I beg you, speak to the king; for he will not withhold me from you.' But he would not listen to her; and being stronger than she, he forced her and lay with her.

Then Amnon was seized with a very great loathing for her; indeed, his loathing was even greater than the lust he had felt for her. Amnon said to her, 'Get out!' But she said to him, 'No, my brother; for this wrong in sending me away is greater than the other that you did to me.' But he would not listen to her. He called the young man who served him and said, 'Put this woman out of my presence, and bolt the door after her.' (Now she was wearing a long robe with sleeves; for this is how the virgin daughters of the king were clothed in earlier times.) So his servant put her out, and bolted the door after her. But Tamar put ashes on her head, and tore the long robe that she was wearing; she put her hand on her head, and went away, crying aloud as she went.

Her brother Absalom said to her, 'Has Amnon your brother been with you? Be quiet for now, my sister; he is your brother; do not take this to heart.' So Tamar remained, a desolate woman, in her brother Absalom's house. When King David heard of all these things, he became very angry, but he would not punish his son Amnon, because he loved him, for he was his firstborn.

Now I know that many Christians say they are not like the Duggars, but how can we ignore scriptures? Especially since Christians taught me this trick.

 

[Hygro]

Morality comes from the Bible.

 

[JollyRoger]

Only when your are playing the Bible on Deity rather than Chieftain.

 

[jackelgull]

And I thought families are supposed to be objectively better than institutions. Only when you don't have too much of it apparently. All good things come in moderation I suppose.

 

[Narz]

If you truly tried to live your life in accordance with "acceptable" actions in the Bible you'd likely have to serve multiple life sentences if caught. If you tried to mimick the Lord Himself you'd be worse than Hitler (concentration camps vs. a great flood that killed everyone save one family, not even close).

 

[gay_Aleks]

In His defence, (ha, playing God's advocate), all the people he drowned were sinners anyway.

 

[Narz]

That's no condolence since we are ALL sinners (thanks for the free will & the inability to use it without screwing up Dude!).

 

[gay_Aleks]

Yeah, but then He realised the inefficiency of drowning everyone every millennium or so, and He decided to leave us here to stir in our own sauce.

So as to speak.

 

[jackelgull]

I think he realized that humans as a species do a pretty good of punishing themselves that any extra he did would be quite redundant.

 

[Narz]

I think he realized that humans as a species do a pretty good of punishing themselves that any extra he did would be quite redundant.

I dunno, overall I'd say most folks are pretty decent. Sometimes when I'm out in the city I marvel at how few fights, car accidents, even arguments I see. Millions of human animals coexisting without half the wrath or genocidal rampages you see in the "good" book.

 

[MobBoss]

I'm actually rather glad that this Duggar fiasco has Jolly going back and reading the bible.

 

[Borachio]

Let me get it right: this guy rapes his own sister and then despises her for it?

It's not entirely clear from the passage quoted, but I'm guessing it was "only" his half-sister.

 

[Stuka88]

Has there been a thread that considers this from the Duggars point of view as martyrs to the liberal media desire to paint the righteous as wicked and grow the power of the state? That's the real story to be honest.

Let me get it right: this guy rapes his own sister and then despises her for it?

She tempted him into sin with her feminine wiles.

 

[Leoreth]

Only when your are playing the Bible on Deity rather than Chieftain.

Really? The character in the bible who is literally playing on deity seems to commit the most heinous acts.

 

[aelf]

And I thought families are supposed to be objectively better than institutions.

Indeed. It's like the government vs. the private sector canard, which seems to have even made it into this thread.

 

[Borachio]

She tempted him into sin with her feminine wiles.

Well, that's not what the story says in the OP.

He's smitten with her, pretends to be ill, and arranges for her to come and bake him some bread. And then insists that she brings it to him while he's lying, presumably lasciviously, in bed.

Then he rapes her, she flees in shame, and he detests her. If that's not predatory behaviour, I don't know what is.

 

[JollyRoger]

Has there been a thread that considers this from the Duggars point of view as martyrs to the liberal media desire to paint the righteous as wicked and grow the power of the state? That's the real story to be honest.

The liberal media didn't touch the Duggar girls nor let it happen at least 5 times before sending the molester to Jesus camp.

 

[onejayhawk]

Really? The character in the bible who is literally playing on deity seems to commit the most heinous acts.

Untrue. Defining right and wrong is that character's prerogative. You are substituting your definition of heinous.

J

 

[JollyRoger]

I'm actually rather glad that this Duggar fiasco has Jolly going back and reading the bible.

I've read the entire Bible with scholarly commentary and annotations. Kind of Game of Throney in many respects.

 

[Borachio]

What's the latest fanfic theory on the Bible, though?

Was Jesus really the son of God, or was it someone else? I think Jesus may have been a red-herring all along. I mean, it's a bit too obvious as a plot line, don't you think?

And all that sword and whip business...