SGOTM 04 - Peanut

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  1. malekithe

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    http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm4/Peanut_SG004_BC0220_01.CivWarlordsSave

    I've left the next person with a decision to make. Khan has requested Machinery from us (he's pleased now). Should we give it to him or not? I'm leaning no, but not entirely sure.

    In dealing with an Indian attack and a barbarian raider, I forgot to pop-rush the granary in Sarmatian, so that should definitely be done as soon as the Khan issue has been dealt with.

    I went ahead and traded for mathematics, as I didn't see much use for HR and definitely didn't think it warranted another revolution at this point in the game. Health is more a hinderance right now than happiness, anyway. I did move us toward fully researching optics and using the great person toward some other purpose. I also removed the engineer specialist to help regrow after the whip faster and give us an increased likelihood of a GS.

    We'll also probably want to rush the trireme in GNH very soon if we want to keep our seafood resource. Gandhi has a trireme of his own on the way.

    My notes:
    Turn 0 - 385 BC
    - Move spearman out of Nidaros to guard our coastal gold mine
    - switch production in GNH to worker
    - Trade Khan Metal Casting for Mathematics. Get 2 extra fair trade points and he is now pleased with us.

    Turn 1 - 370
    - Khan now shows a monopoly on Calendar
    - Rush worker in GNH
    - Workers near Uppsala finish chopping jungle, start on mine for gems
    - Realize Sarmatian has been working on a worker, switch to a granary.

    Turn 2 - 355
    - GNH finishes Worker, starts an axeman

    Turn 3 - 340
    - Nothing

    Turn 4 - 325
    - GNH completes an axeman, starts an axeman
    - Nidaros completes a forge, starts an axeman
    - Khan founds Confucianism in Turfan

    Turn 5 - 310
    - Nothing

    Turn 6 - 295
    - Khan converts to confucianism, relations with Gandhi sour.
    - GNH grow to 8
    - Science % set to 90% (-6 GPT)

    Turn 7 - 280
    - spot an Indian galley off the coast near Uppsala, move troops to the coast to deter an invasion.
    - Uppsala grows to 4 and immediately rushes the library
    - Science % set to 80% (+2 GPT)

    Turn 8 - 265
    - Discover Machinery and enter the medieval era. Start research on optics (15 turns @ 80%).
    - Uppsala complets a library, starts a forge
    - Gandhi drops a sword and an archer next to uppsala, pull troops (3 chariots, 1 axe) back into city, trying to lure his troops out of the jungle.
    - Gandhi also has a trireme heading around toward GNH, start on a trireme to counter

    Turn 9 - 250
    - Crush the Indian attack, losing nothing.
    - Barbarians take advantage of the Indian distraction, sending an axeman in from the north (threatening to cut our source of copper, actually)
    - somewhere in the last couple turns we lost a fair trade point with Khan and he's now back to cautious (I didn't know those went away...). He would now be willing to go to war with Gandhi in exchange for Machinery.
    - Trade Khan our gems for his fish (Nidaros had grown unhealthy)

    Turn 10 - 235
    - Nidaros completes axeman, starts another
    - Move troops to intercept barb axe

    Turn 11 - 220
    - Forget chariots only recevie the bonus vs. axes on offense and lose one when the barb axe attacks
    - Khan requests Machinery.

    Submission log:
    Spoiler :
    Turn 141, 385 BC: You have discovered Mathematics!

    Turn 144, 340 BC: Confucianism has been founded in Turfan!

    Turn 146, 310 BC: Genghis Khan converts to Confucianism!

    Turn 148, 280 BC: You have discovered Machinery!
    Turn 148, 280 BC: The Temple of Artemis has been built in a far away land!

    Turn 149, 265 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 149, 265 BC: Nidaros has become unhealthy

    Turn 150, 250 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 150, 250 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Axeman (5.50) vs Gandhi's Swordsman (3.63)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Combat Odds: 90.4%
    Turn 150, 250 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: (Combat: -75%)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 16 (20/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 16 (4/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Axeman has defeated Gandhi's Swordsman!
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Your Axeman has destroyed a Swordsman!
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Chariot (4.40) vs Gandhi's Archer (3.00)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Combat Odds: 86.6%
    Turn 150, 250 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Archer is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Archer is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Archer is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Archer is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Gandhi's Archer is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Peanut's Chariot has defeated Gandhi's Archer!
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Your Chariot has destroyed a Archer!
    Turn 150, 250 BC: GroundnutHill will grow to size 9 on the next turn
    Turn 150, 250 BC: Uppsala will grow to size 3 on the next turn
    Turn 150, 250 BC: New Tech(s) to trade: Gandhi

    Turn 151, 235 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 151, 235 BC: The enemy has been spotted near GroundnutHill!
    Turn 151, 235 BC: GroundnutHill has grown to size 9
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Uppsala has grown to size 3
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Barbarian's Axeman (5.00) vs Peanut's Chariot (4.80)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Combat Odds: 65.0%
    Turn 151, 235 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Barbarian's Axeman is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Barbarian's Axeman is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Barbarian's Axeman is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Peanut's Chariot is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
    Turn 151, 235 BC: Barbarian's Axeman has defeated Peanut's Chariot!
    Turn 151, 235 BC: While defending, your Chariot was destroyed by a Barbarian Axeman!

    Turn 152, 220 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 152, 220 BC: The enemy has been spotted near GroundnutHill!
     
  2. klarius

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    Well, looks like I'm up :).
    I got it and intend to play in the evening.
    I think to trade machinery for monarchy with GK. I still want as many techs out of GK as possible as long as we don't know anybody else. This is a lousy value, but will keep him happy (should increase the "fair trade" counter).
    BTW, the values behind this aren't really going down over time. But the points you get are evaluated by dividing by the number of turns you know the civ. So you need to trade/gift more over time to stay at the same value.

    Other than that: defend against Gandhi (needs at least 1 better 2 trireme soon). Research optics, maybe keep the research at 0 then for some turns to upgrade triremes.
     
  3. klarius

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    Sorry, I ungot it for now. I didn't get to it yesterday and I'm now not on my computer till Sunday night, when it might be too late to play.
    So if somebody can step in until Monday please do.
     
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    So MailMan (or a space oddity, if you have time) please post a 'got-it' if you can play in the next 48 hours or so.
     
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    OK, no response from MailMan. I belive it's back to you, klarius.
     
  6. klarius

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    Ok, got it again and will play within a few hours.
     
  7. klarius

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    Played, the save.

    We have optics and 2 caravels (one currently healing).
    I lost Uppsala for a turn to Gandhi :eek:. Not nice - it's difficult to defend against his pretty advanced troops (elephant and sword), sorry.

    Spoiler submission log :
    Here is your Session Turn Log from 220 BC to 25 BC:

    Turn 152, 220 BC: Peanut's Streitwagen (4.80) vs Barbar's Axtkämpfer (1.22)
    Turn 152, 220 BC: Kampfchancen: 100.0%
    Turn 152, 220 BC: (Extrakampf: -20%)
    Turn 152, 220 BC: (Geländefeldverteidigung: +25%)
    Turn 152, 220 BC: (Angriff Einheitentyp: -100%)
    Turn 152, 220 BC: Barbars Einheit Axtkämpfer fügt Einheit 30 (13/100TP)
    Turn 152, 220 BC: Barbars Einheit Axtkämpfer fügt Einheit 30 (0/100TP)
    Turn 152, 220 BC: Peanuts Einheit Streitwagen hat Barbars Einheit Axtkämpfer besiegt!
    Turn 152, 220 BC: Ihr habt die Technologie Monarchie entdeckt!
    Turn 152, 220 BC: Ihr habt in Sarmatier ein Gebäude Kornspeicher errichtet. Die Arbeiten an der Produktion Bautrupp haben begonnen.

    Turn 153, 205 BC: Ihr habt in GroundnutHill eine Einheit Trireme ausgebildet. Die Arbeiten an der Produktion Axtkämpfer haben begonnen.

    Turn 154, 190 BC: Die Große Persönlichkeit Shah Jahan (Großer Händler) wurde in einem fernen Land geboren!

    Turn 156, 160 BC: Die Große Persönlichkeit Johannes Kepler (Großer Wissenschaftler) wurde in GroundnutHill (Peanut) geboren!
    Turn 156, 160 BC: Die Grenzen von Uppsala wurden erweitert!

    Turn 157, 145 BC: Das Wunder Die Pyramiden wurde in einem fernen Land errichtet!

    Turn 158, 130 BC: Die Große Persönlichkeit Antoine Laurent Lavoisier (Großer Wissenschaftler) wurde in einem fernen Land geboren!

    Turn 160, 100 BC: Ihr habt die Technologie Optik entdeckt!

    Turn 161, 85 BC: Ihr habt in GroundnutHill eine Einheit Trireme ausgebildet. Die Arbeiten an der Produktion Axtkämpfer haben begonnen.
    Turn 161, 85 BC: Ihr habt in Sarmatier ein Gebäude Handelsposten errichtet. Die Arbeiten an der Produktion Bautrupp haben begonnen.
    Turn 161, 85 BC: Die Große Persönlichkeit J. S. Bach (Großer Künstler) wurde in Delhi (Gandhi) geboren!

    Turn 162, 70 BC: Es sind feindliche Truppen in der Nähe der Stadt Sarmatier gesichtet worden!
    Turn 162, 70 BC: Die Grenzen von Nidaros wurden erweitert!

    Turn 163, 55 BC: Es sind feindliche Truppen in der Nähe der Stadt Uppsala gesichtet worden!
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Es sind feindliche Truppen in der Nähe der Stadt Uppsala gesichtet worden!
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhi's Kriegselefant (9.60) vs Peanut's Axtkämpfer (8.25)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Kampfchancen: 71.2%
    Turn 163, 55 BC: (Extrakampf: -20%)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: (Extrakampf: +20%)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: (Geländefeldverteidigung: +20%)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: (Verschanzen: +25%)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Axtkämpfer fügt Einheit 21 (79/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Axtkämpfer fügt Einheit 21 (58/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Kriegselefant fügt Einheit 18 (82/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Axtkämpfer fügt Einheit 21 (37/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Kriegselefant fügt Einheit 18 (64/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Kriegselefant fügt Einheit 18 (46/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Axtkämpfer fügt Einheit 21 (16/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Kriegselefant fügt Einheit 18 (28/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Kriegselefant fügt Einheit 18 (10/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Axtkämpfer fügt Einheit 21 (0/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Kriegselefant hat Peanuts Einheit Axtkämpfer besiegt!
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Eure Einheit Axtkämpfer wurde während eines Verteidigungsmanövers von einer Einheit Kriegselefant (Indian) vernichtet!
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhi's Schwertkämpfer (6.60) vs Peanut's Streitwagen (4.00)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Kampfchancen: 96.0%
    Turn 163, 55 BC: (Extrakampf: -10%)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: (Extrakampf: +10%)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: (Stadtangriff: -10%)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Streitwagen fügt Einheit 25 (75/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Schwertkämpfer fügt Einheit 15 (85/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Streitwagen fügt Einheit 25 (50/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Schwertkämpfer fügt Einheit 15 (70/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Schwertkämpfer fügt Einheit 15 (55/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Streitwagen fügt Einheit 25 (25/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Peanuts Einheit Streitwagen fügt Einheit 25 (0/100TP)
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Gandhis Einheit Schwertkämpfer hat Peanuts Einheit Streitwagen besiegt!
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Eure Einheit Streitwagen wurde während eines Verteidigungsmanövers von einer Einheit Schwertkämpfer (Indian) vernichtet!
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Das Indian Empire hat die Stadt Uppsala (Peanut) eingenommen!!!
    Turn 163, 55 BC: Handel annulliert: Edelsteine an Genghis Khan für Fisch

    Turn 164, 40 BC: Es sind feindliche Truppen in der Nähe der Stadt Nidaros gesichtet worden!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Es sind feindliche Truppen in der Nähe der Stadt Sarmatier gesichtet worden!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanut's Axtkämpfer (5.50) vs Gandhi's Schwertkämpfer (2.35)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Kampfchancen: 99.6%
    Turn 164, 40 BC: (Extrakampf: -10%)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: (Extrakampf: +10%)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: (Kampf: -75%)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: (Flussangriff: +25%)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Schwertkämpfer fügt Einheit 25 (30/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Schwertkämpfer fügt Einheit 25 (5/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Axtkämpfer fügt Einheit 15 (85/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Schwertkämpfer fügt Einheit 25 (0/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Axtkämpfer hat Gandhis Einheit Schwertkämpfer besiegt!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Eure Einheit Axtkämpfer hat eine Einheit Schwertkämpfer vernichtet!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Ihr habt die Stadt Uppsala eingenommen!!!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Die Grenzen von Uppsala wurden erweitert!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanut's Krieger (2.20) vs Gandhi's Kriegselefant (0.96)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Kampfchancen: 99.2%
    Turn 164, 40 BC: (Extrakampf: -10%)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: (Extrakampf: +20%)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Kriegselefant fügt Einheit 13 (0/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Krieger hat Gandhis Einheit Kriegselefant besiegt!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Eure Einheit Krieger hat eine Einheit Kriegselefant vernichtet!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanut's Karavelle (3.00) vs Gandhi's Trireme (2.20)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Kampfchancen: 79.3%
    Turn 164, 40 BC: (Geländefeldverteidigung: +10%)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Karavelle fügt Einheit 17 (83/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Karavelle fügt Einheit 17 (66/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Trireme fügt Einheit 23 (77/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Trireme fügt Einheit 23 (54/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Trireme fügt Einheit 23 (31/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Trireme fügt Einheit 23 (8/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Karavelle fügt Einheit 17 (49/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Karavelle fügt Einheit 17 (32/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Karavelle fügt Einheit 17 (15/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Gandhis Einheit Trireme fügt Einheit 23 (0/100TP)
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Peanuts Einheit Karavelle hat Gandhis Einheit Trireme besiegt!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Eure Einheit Karavelle hat eine Einheit Trireme vernichtet!
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Ihr habt in GroundnutHill eine Einheit Axtkämpfer ausgebildet. Die Arbeiten an der Produktion Karavelle haben begonnen.
    Turn 164, 40 BC: Genghis Khan hat das Wunder Die Hängenden Gärten fertig gestellt!



    My turn log:
    Turn 0 220BC:
    Kill a barb axe.
    Rush granary in Sarmatier.
    Decide to trade machinery to Genghis for monarchy.
    I want the full to stay at good terms with him and that will increase our fair trade bonus.
    I also generally think that we want to drive research, so want to avoid that he repeats our research.
    I don't revolt, as we don't need it currently, but do need some production currently.

    Turn 1 205BC:
    Sarmatier granary->trading post.
    Rush trireme in GNH.

    Turn 2 190BC:
    GNH trireme->trireme.

    IBT: Gandhi's trireme ignores our trireme on the seafood.

    Turn 3 175BC:
    We now have sheep hooked.

    Turn 4 160BC:
    Nothing of consequence.

    Turn 5 145BC:
    GS born. Builds academy in GNH.

    Turn 6 130BC:
    Pyramids built in a distant land.

    Turn 7 115BC:
    Nidaros axe->explorer.

    Turn 8 100BC:
    Nothing.

    Turn 9 85BC:
    Rush trading post in Sarmatier.
    Optics is in. Genghis still doesn't want to trade anything.
    Set research to CoL as this might not get researched soon.
    But also set slider to 0% to upgrade triremes. Ask Genghis for a gift of spices and get it.

    Turn 10 70BC:
    Sarmatier trading post->library.
    GNH trireme->caravel.
    Upgrade one trireme to caravel.

    IBT:
    Gandhi lands an elephant and a sword near Uppsala.
    This can get dicey.

    Turn 11 55BC:
    Try to get reinforcement to Uppsala, but still have to hope that Gandhi pillages first.

    IBT:
    No dice. Gandhi attacks with both and kills both our troops in Uppsala.

    Turn 12 40BC:
    I can retake Uppsala with an axe and also kill the elephant.
    Kill a trireme with a caravel.

    Turn 13 25BC:
    Move a few troops.

    We want to find new friends now. But I think we also need caravels to stop Gandhi's ships.
    I saved a little money to be able to do an emergency upgrade of a warrior if necessary.
    I have research on CoL currently, hoping that currency can be traded from new contacts.
     
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    So MailMan, please post your status. space -are you available?

    I've been super busy with my current move - we're in escrow on a new house, and have just listed our current house on the market. Needless to say, lots of stuff going on!
     
  9. MailMan

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    I got it. I will have time to play this weekend.
    I will probably start in 24 hours.

    Please post any thoughts and suggestions you might have.
     
  10. malekithe

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    Actually, same here. :) We're going to be closing in the next couple days... and then heading out to Chicago for a wedding right after moving in (exactly one week after closing). We'll see if I actually have time for anything besides work and house stuff over the next 2-3 weeks. Here's hoping the hotel in Chicago has reasonably priced internet service... (and that I don't end up just using it to do work ;) )
     
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    Summery:
    met the other continent:
    Issi very backward (got mono on us but lack many - such as writing)
    Mehmed, backward as well, got HR on us (also has alpha)
    Washington, the least back wards of the three, I trade compass for Mono and HR after checking that he is no one worse enemy.

    apparently that was a mistake, since 2 turns later I met Hannibal. he is very advance and I traded with his worse enemy (I actually met him in New York).

    defended without losses or pillage against trireme, jumbo and a sword.

    got circumvent bonus and we are 4 turns away from the coleuses.

    Notes for next player:
    we just lost the gem for fish deal. try to get the fish back.
    I suggest building a settler next in the capital.
    we need 2 more workers as well
    and of course reinforce the army

    170AD SAVE

    Spoiler turnlog :
    Here is your Session Turn Log from 25 BC to 170 AD:


    Turn 168, 20 AD: You have trained a Caravel in GroundnutHill. Work has now begun on a Axeman.
    Turn 168, 20 AD: Genghis Khan adopts Organized Religion!

    Turn 169, 35 AD: Peanut's Caravel (3.00) vs Gandhi's Trireme (2.20)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Combat Odds: 79.3%
    Turn 169, 35 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Peanut's Caravel has defeated Gandhi's Trireme!
    Turn 169, 35 AD: You have discovered Code of Laws!
    Turn 169, 35 AD: Christianity has been founded in Bombay!

    Turn 170, 50 AD: Gandhi adopts Theocracy!
    Turn 170, 50 AD: The Parthenon has been built in a far away land!

    Turn 171, 65 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant (9.60) vs Peanut's Spearman (9.20)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Combat Odds: 65.0%
    Turn 171, 65 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: (Combat: +100%)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
    Turn 171, 65 AD: Peanut's Spearman has defeated Gandhi's War Elephant!

    Turn 172, 80 AD: Confucianism has spread in GroundnutHill.

    Turn 173, 95 AD: Peanut's Axeman (5.50) vs Gandhi's Swordsman (3.42)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Combat Odds: 95.7%
    Turn 173, 95 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: (Combat: -75%)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Peanut's Axeman is hit for 15 (40/100HP)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
    Turn 173, 95 AD: Peanut's Axeman has defeated Gandhi's Swordsman!

    Turn 174, 110 AD: You have discovered Monotheism!
    Turn 174, 110 AD: You have discovered Horseback Riding!

    Turn 177, 155 AD: Mahavira (Great Prophet) has been born in a far away land!
    Turn 177, 155 AD: Deal Canceled: Gems to Genghis Khan for Fish
    Turn 177, 155 AD: You have circumnavigated the Globe! Your ships receive a +1 Movement bonus!
     

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    I recommend to gift a tech to Hannibal and to Mehmed. That should make them cautious again and we should then be able to sign open borders. But we have to do it soon so we get maximum benefit of the gift.
    Maybe Washington doesn't like that, but that's probably no concern.

    Hannibal we want at least cautious to trade techs (though he will not trade currently because of monopoly), Mehmed will even go to war at cautious (if we can pay his price). I'm thinking here that at some time in the future we will have him go after Spain, while we prepare to back-stab him.
     
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    I'll post a got it; probably wont be able to play until Sunday sometime.

    space - if you have time this weekend, I'd be happy to step aside and play later. :)
     
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    No, thank you Steve. It's my mothers' brithday tomorrow and we'll go over this weekend.
     
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    civ_steve Deity Retired Moderator GOTM Staff

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    OK. I'm taking a look at the save.

    We've just made contact with 4 more civs so 6 total; with 7 rivals we have one more civ to contact.

    We're 7 turns away from Civil Service. At some point we'll want to take most of the continent away from Genghis. Until there are other civs who have made contact with Gandhi, Genghis probably has to have a presence. Do we want to learn CS, get some Berzerkers, and start some trouble, maybe take the 2 closest cities? Or is that asking for too much trouble (we don't have much of an army currently)

    We are considerably ahead of the other continent in research. In general I'd be pretty loose with trading/gifting techs with them; we want the general level of research to be higher, and they can't contribute much if they're researching older techs.

    After CS, Paper (?), and then Education (?)

    Groundnuthill - finish Colossus (4 turns), then either a Settler (grab the Iron to the North) or military, for MP duty and possible upgrade to Berzerker later. Settler could go to space SW of Iron square (best, IMO), or SW-W of Iron (contest India for Clams, but I think we lose that one).

    Nidaros - after Aquaduct, probably military. Do we want a Stables, and then build more Horse units?

    Uppsala - pop a Library when able, go for Forge next

    Sarmatian - pop a Library in 3 turns, go for Forge next (needs an aquaduct, too)

    If we don't go to war with Genghis nearterm, we can probably get Construction for CS; should we do that trade?

    Please post comments. I'll probably play tomorrow night sometime.

    (edit - I don't see any fish available)
     
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    Our military should be Berzerks and cats, IMO. No use for horse units (at least not before knights and we don't want to research guilds). So also no need for stables.

    Build a monastery in GNH for the 10% research.

    We could gift a caravel to Hannibal. He might find our continent and trade then. Another idea would be to spread confucianism to Hannibal. By that he would know Genghis.
     
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    I've played 5 turns and thought I'd post the status for any additional comments.

    The 5th civ on the other continent is Brennus of the Celts. He is very friendly with Isabella, and pretty friendly with Washington. Like the others he is fairly behind in Tech.

    I gifted Alphabet to Mehmud and Hannible, and was able to sign OB with both. I've also signed OB with Brennus.

    I gifted the Southern Caravel to Hannible; he's pretty close to Genghis and his westernmost island, so perhaps he'll make contact fairly quickly.

    India decided to land 2 WE's on a Gems space near Uppsala. They pillaged the space, and one moved over to the other gems space. Our Spear took out the first WE and wounded the 2nd when it came to attack; an Axe finished off the 2nd WE; I have to remine the Gems.

    Libraries built in Sarmatian and Uppsala; Colossus finished in GNH. GNH and Nidaros are building Axes.

    I got CS in 5 turns, and plan to start on Paper next, and can get that in 10 so that's probably the eventual stopping point.

    Scouting the closest Mongol city revealed a Crossbow in it; fortified on a hill it will make mincemeat of our Berzerkers so attacking it is no option until we have Cats. Even then, we'd have to hold of reinforcements while the Cats do their thing.

    Mongols will trade Construction; we only have HorseRiding and CS, so I plan to hold off for now. Brennus will trade us Calendar, and we have a raft of older techs to trade - plan to do this and develop our Spices (which Genghis was giving us but has taken back, by the way) and Sugar.

    Should finish tonight; post anything other suggestions/comments you may have :)
     
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    GNH should build a monastery.

    I would trade with Genghis first. He might get into WFYABTA if trading calendar from Brennus.

    Revolt to bureaucracy and hereditary rule.
     
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    Start of Log

    Give alphabet to Hannibal and Mehmud; they both go to Cautious; sign OB

    Adjust Sarmatian for growth
    Set Research to 100&#37;; CS in 5

    Send Chariot to scout New Sarai

    (IBT - Brennus contacts us; we sign OB; he lacks a # of Techs, but has some we are missing)

    Turn 1 - 185 AD
    Aquaduct completes in Nidaros, next an Axe
    Adjust Nidaros for no growth, and give Corn to Uppsala

    Give Caravel to Hannibal
    Drop Explorer off in Brennus' land for land scouting

    (IBT Indian Galley shows off coast)

    Turn 2 - 200 AD
    Send Axe from Nidaros towards Uppsala
    More Exploring

    (IBT India drops 2 WE's near Uppsala, on Gems)

    Turn 3 - 215 AD
    Move Workers away from WE's
    Exploring Chariot sees a Crossbow at New Sarai (tough)
    Send Chariot to GNH, and move another Axe from GNH towards Uppsala
    Axe from Nidaros fortifies; we have 2 Axes, 1 Spear and a Warrior for defense vs 2 WE's
    Pop a Library at Uppsala for 2 pop

    (IBT 1 WE pillages a Gems space; the other WE moves to our other Gems space)

    Turn 4 - 230 AD
    GNH completes Colossus; next an Axe
    Uppsala a library; next a Forge

    Spear has 75% chance vs lone WE - send him out and he wins
    Axe has 4% chance vs 2nd WE - gug!

    (IBT 2nd WE attacks Spear, and almost loses
    Genghis decides to stop giving us Spices)

    Turn 5 - 245 AD
    We learn CS
    Save ... Resume

    Sign OB with Isabella
    Trade Alpha and HBRiding to Brennus for Calendar
    Trade Mono to Hannibal for 30 Gold

    Revolt to Bureaucracy

    (IBT Indian Trireme shows up near Sarmatian)

    Turn 6 - 260 AD
    We are a Buraucracy
    Change GNH to Caravel

    (IBT Indian Trireme blocks a sea space at Sarmatian)

    Turn 7 - 275 AD
    Save gold for a turn, about 180 gold in treasury
    Now set to 100% Research; Paper in 6 at -22 gpt
    Start re mining Gems

    (IBT Trireme moves to block all sea spaces at Sarmatian; -2 fpt)

    Turn 8 - 290 AD
    Move Worker to put Plantation on Spice near Uppsala

    (IBT Trireme moves on; probably heading to GNH sea lanes
    Mongol Spear/Settler stack near Horses to SSE of Uppsala))

    Turn 9 - 305 AD
    Adjust Sarmatian population for growth again

    (IBT Indian Galley shows up near Uppsala, again)

    Turn 10 - 320 AD
    Hannibal will trade; give CS and Machinery for Construction and Currency
    Trade Gems to Genghis for Spices
    Adjust to 0% Science to raise some upgrade money

    (IBT India lands a WE and a Cat on gems near Uppsala)

    Turn 11 - 335 AD
    GNH finishes a Caravel, next a Monastery; it sails out and sinks the Indian Trireme!
    Trade older techs around for all the loose Gold in the World
    Upgrade 2 Axes to Berzerks in Uppsala

    (IBT WE pillages Gems; Cat bombards Uppsala)

    Turn 12 - 350 AD
    Upgrade Warrior to Spear
    Set Research to 100% (80 ish gold, -24 gpt, Paper in 3)
    Pop Berzerk in Nidaros for 1 pop
    Pop Conf Mon in GNH for 1 pop

    (IBT another bombard (down to 14 %))

    Turn 13 - 365 AD
    Berzerk from Nidaros off to Uppsala; Fortify

    (IBT WE attacks Berzerk defending 2nd Gems - he wins, but is down to 2.2 and has left Cat alone)

    Turn 14 - 380 AD
    GNH finishes Conf Mon, next a Settler
    Spearman does in WE
    Berzerk does in Cat; our lands are cleansed of the Indian units
    Workers move in to Mine Gems ... again
    2 Caravels from new world move over to provide defense from future naval incursions
    Caravel from GNH moves up towards Sarmation
    Pop a Forge at Sarmatian

    Turn 15 - 395 AD
    Forge completes at Sarmatian, set to Aquaduct next, but that can be changed
    Nidaros completes a Spearman, set to Berzerker next
    Our Gems are now reconnected

    Realize we aren't in HR (gah!), so revolt

    End of Log

    GNH has the monastery. I didn't trade with Genghis because all I had was CS to trade with. Perhaps we can get enough Berzerkers and Cats going to take a couple of cities. GNH will finish a Settler in about 4 turns to gain us the Iron, finally; I was building roads around the settle space, so once the city is founded it should be connected.

    Not sure if we want to develop a couple of civs on the 2nd continent to be research partners. Definitely we should get more contacts with India to reduce his research cost.

    Long term - we could plan to take out Genghis, and really long term, gift the entire continent to India (we'd move to the 2nd continent by then). If most everything was researched, that should be fairly low risk.

    Over to ainwood; attached an image from space of the 2nd continent.

    Spoiler :
    Here is your Session Turn Log from 170 AD to 395 AD:

    Turn 178, 170 AD: The borders of GroundnutHill have expanded!

    Turn 180, 200 AD: Peanut has completed The Colossus!
    Turn 180, 200 AD: Brennus adopts <COLOR=102,229,255,255Hereditary Rule!

    Turn 181, 215 AD: Louis Pasteur (Great Scientist) has been born in Karakorum (Genghis Khan)!

    Turn 182, 230 AD: Peanut's Spearman (4.80) vs Gandhi's War Elephant (3.90)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Combat Odds: 74.3%
    Turn 182, 230 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: (Combat: -125%)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Peanut's Spearman has defeated Gandhi's War Elephant!
    Turn 182, 230 AD: You have discovered Civil Service!
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant (9.60) vs Peanut's Spearman (4.50)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Combat Odds: 99.5%
    Turn 182, 230 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: (Combat: +125%)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 23 (23/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant has defeated Peanut's Spearman!
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Gandhi adopts <COLOR=102,229,255,255Vassalage!
    Turn 182, 230 AD: Taoism has been founded in a distant land!

    Turn 183, 245 AD: Peanut's Axeman (5.50) vs Gandhi's War Elephant (1.44)
    Turn 183, 245 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
    Turn 183, 245 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
    Turn 183, 245 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 183, 245 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
    Turn 183, 245 AD: Peanut's Axeman has defeated Gandhi's War Elephant!
    Turn 183, 245 AD: You have discovered Calendar!
    Turn 183, 245 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
    Turn 183, 245 AD: Peanut adopts <COLOR=102,229,255,255Bureaucracy!
    Turn 183, 245 AD: The anarchy is over! Your government is re-established.
    Turn 183, 245 AD: Hannibal adopts <COLOR=102,229,255,255Vassalage!

    Turn 184, 260 AD: <COLOR=102,229,255,255Confucianism has spread in Nidaros.

    Turn 185, 275 AD: Mehmed II adopts <COLOR=102,229,255,255Organized Religion!

    Turn 186, 290 AD: Mehmed II converts to <COLOR=102,229,255,255Buddhism!

    Turn 188, 320 AD: You have discovered Construction!
    Turn 188, 320 AD: You have discovered Currency!
    Turn 188, 320 AD: You have trained a Caravel in GroundnutHill. Work has now begun on a Berserker.

    Turn 189, 335 AD: Peanut's Caravel (3.00) vs Gandhi's Trireme (2.00)
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Combat Odds: 90.1%
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
    Turn 189, 335 AD: Peanut's Caravel has defeated Gandhi's Trireme!
    Turn 189, 335 AD: A Mine has been destroyed by a marauding Indian War Elephant!

    Turn 190, 350 AD: <COLOR=255,239,20,255Mehmed II has 3 gold per turn available for trade
    Turn 190, 350 AD: You have constructed a Confucian Monastery in GroundnutHill. Work has now begun on a Berserker.
    Turn 190, 350 AD: <COLOR=255,76,76,255Uppsala has become unhappy
    Turn 190, 350 AD: <COLOR=153,0,255,153Sarmatian's cultural boundary is about to expand.

    Turn 191, 365 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 191, 365 AD: The borders of Sarmatian have expanded!
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi has reduced your defenses in Uppsala to 11%!
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant (8.80) vs Peanut's Berserker (7.61)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Combat Odds: 71.0%
    Turn 191, 365 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: (Combat: -25%)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
    Turn 191, 365 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant has defeated Peanut's Berserker!
    Turn 191, 365 AD: While defending, your Berserker was destroyed by a Indian War Elephant!

    Turn 192, 380 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 192, 380 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Peanut's Spearman (4.40) vs Gandhi's War Elephant (1.35)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
    Turn 192, 380 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: (Combat: -100%)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: (Combat: +25%)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 23 (5/100HP)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Peanut's Spearman is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Peanut's Spearman has defeated Gandhi's War Elephant!
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Your Spearman has destroyed a War Elephant!
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Peanut's Berserker (9.60) vs Gandhi's Catapult (5.00)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Combat Odds: 99.0%
    Turn 192, 380 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Gandhi's Catapult is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Gandhi's Catapult is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Gandhi's Catapult is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Gandhi's Catapult is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Peanut's Berserker has defeated Gandhi's Catapult!
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Your Berserker has destroyed a Catapult!
    Turn 192, 380 AD: You have discovered Paper!
    Turn 192, 380 AD: <COLOR=252,147,40,255Sarmatian has grown to size 4
    Turn 192, 380 AD: Washington adopts <COLOR=102,229,255,255Organized Religion!

    Turn 193, 395 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
    Turn 193, 395 AD: Peanut adopts <COLOR=102,229,255,255Hereditary Rule!


    395 AD Save

    (edit: India landed twice to attack Uppsala during my turns. We now have 2 Caravels off that coast to intercept the next invasion. Berzerkers aren't that good against his WE, but Spearmen are (Pikes will be even better.))
     

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    GNH should grow and work commerce tiles IMO, not slowly (ok it's not that slow :)) build a settler. We could have assisted a settler build by forest chops, if we think it necessary. There is still a forested hill there and we even are working it.

    We could get feudalism, map and a few coins for optics and paper. Not the best trade, but I don't think we should hold back techs this early in the game.
    We also could stir up some trouble on the other continent. I think we should bribe Mehmed to go after Isa. It's probably the last chance now, before they get too friendly by shared religion. The idea here is to have later the possibility to team up with Isa, when we are going after the pyramids (which I think we should do). So I don't want to declare on Isa.

    I'm not so sure what to research next. I think we should have astronomy soon, to be able to go to the other continent and also for building observatories (rather than expensive universities). BTW we should look if the goody hut near the stone island is still there. There would still be the chance to pop astronomy.
     

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