SGOTM 16 - Kakumeika

[Walter_Wolf]

Not going to argue the PPP. Looks good. (btw, We have 5 weeks to play 4 1/2 turnsets) Maybe things will flow once we have the critical things like Oracle out of the way.

I was hoping for this, but ...

I didn't put the T64 oracle, one chop before and the other after math micro in it yet. Are you okay with that?

The rest of the team wants the 1T earlier oracle.

 

[Walter_Wolf]

PPP updated. hope to play at the time stated yesterday. in ... 5 - 6 hours from now.

 

[WastinTime]

I was hoping for this, but ...

I didn't put the T64 oracle, one chop before and the other after math micro in it yet. Are you okay with that?

The rest of the team wants the 1T earlier oracle.

I don't vote for that option, but I understand the reason the team is going for the pre-math chop/early Oracle. I don't think it will matter in the long run either way.

Good Luck!

 

[LowtherCastle]

Pillage Danger Tiles

We actually have one vulnerable tile improvement: wheat and later on this will be horses and wheat. I think our fogbusting should focus on these vulnerabilities until WorldCities =22 or until we have chariots, whichever comes first.

I see no optimal ways for one fogbuster to safely protect the wheat unless Adam can simply block the barb's path at Wheat-1SW, but that's non-optimal too, because then the barb would just attack Adam. I suppose if Adam is 25% fortified, he's at least going to have favorable odds against a barb archer.

Or would putting Adam right on the wheat block the path completely?

In any case, there are different sub-optimal options for protecting the wheat. Is 3SW of the wheat is the safest? That's 2S of where Adam is now. I don't know.

We really need two fogbusters here because there are two tiles to prevent the barbs from landing on and teh mountains get in the way. But this won't bevulnerable until right before we can produce chariots, so maybe we don't need to worry about fogbusting it, but we should all be aware of the potential trouble.


I think we will want it fogbusted when our workers are improving the horses.
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[LowtherCastle]

Hm...I tested barbs pillaging us from 2 tiles away, using UNITAI_ATTACK (which is what naturally spawns in the game) and UNITAI_PILLLAGE, and I can't get them to hed toward our wheat. They just wander off. And the save has 16 worldwide cities.

 

[Sun Tzu Wu]

I'm becoming a little concerned about our lack of Military Technolgy advantage. We should try to set up an Iron Working steal soon, so we should have a Spy ready (5t fortified) to steal Iron Working as soon as our target AI has it. We should also build a backup Spy, in case we lose the first Spy before or during the IW steal.

So, do we divert to Horseback Riding, which we may need to do in case we have _no_ access to Iron. Or, assuming we have Iron, do we divert to Machinery to produce Crossbowmen? If so, we may want to reconsider getting Metal Casting from The Oracle rather than either Code of Laws or Currency. MC with Forges also has slight Happiness cap and production advantages.

Please respond with your comments. We need to make at least some commitment with regard to The Oracle target at least.

Sun Tzu Wu

 

[bcool]

We can safely harass Brennus with chariots and archers if we must. However I think it is safe to assume that we have iron somewhere nearby.

Copper could be an island away too.

I see no need to rush into metal casting/machinery or horseback riding. I would much rather found Confu and rush towards sailing/calendar or civil service.

We need holy cities and we need a bit of happiness and we need culture. Founding confu with the Oracle is my vote since it helps all 3 of these goals. We need early temples and monasteries for our legendary cities.

 

[Walter_Wolf]

Loading game

T56

OMG. We got 16 gold from plunder.

Ceased fire with Brennus. Teleport worked as planned. Jungle 1S of corn is safe.

T57

Barb archer spotted near Brennus lands. Eve came across a wall of peaks.

T59

okay, job done. will provide a screenshot dump shortly.

Good luck to my sucessor .

 

[Walter_Wolf]

Upload info:

Spoiler :

Here are the new details we have recorded.
Reference number: 11877
Game: C-IV SGOTM 16
Your team: Kakumeika
Your name: Walter_Wolf
Date submitted: 2012-10-18
Software Version: BtS 3.19
Game date: 1640BC
Total turns played: 59
Session turns played: 4
Player race: France
Firaxis score: 206
Session time played (hh:mm:ss): 00:25:15
Total time played (hh:mm:ss): 10:02:35
Game status: Incomplete
Submitted save: Louis XIV_1640-BC_Oct-18-2012_23-37-49.CivBeyondSwordSave

Game log:

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 1800 BC to 1640 BC:


Turn 56, 1760 BC: You have made peace with Brennus!

Turn 57, 1720 BC: Brennus won't trade Masonry

Turn 58, 1680 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 20 ℤ for Orleans.
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Orleans will grow to size 4 on the next turn.

Turn 59, 1640 BC: Orleans has grown to size 4.

BUFFY log:

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Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 55/500 (1800 BC) [18-Oct-2012 23:11:51]
100% Research: 40 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -3 per turn, 12 in the bank

Turn 56/500 (1760 BC) [18-Oct-2012 23:11:53]
A Mine near Bibracte was destroyed by French Louis (Warrior) (16 gold)
Louis XIV (France) and Brennus (Celtia) have signed a peace treaty
100% Research: 40 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -3 per turn, 25 in the bank

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Brennus (Celtia) towards Louis XIV (France), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 57/500 (1720 BC) [18-Oct-2012 23:19:17]
100% Research: 40 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -3 per turn, 22 in the bank

Turn 58/500 (1680 BC) [18-Oct-2012 23:25:48]
100% Research: 39 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -3 per turn, 19 in the bank

After End Turn:
A Village was built near Paris
Orleans grows to size 4

 

[LowtherCastle]

Well done, Walter!!!

 

[Walter_Wolf]

New terrain revealed:

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South:

North:

City status:

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Paris:

Orleans:

 

[LowtherCastle]

Walter, if you want to drop me the saves, I'll figure out how many cities there are.

 

[Walter_Wolf]

Passive inteligence

            Esionage mission               Score              
        -----------------------          ----------
Turn   Bitracte   Vienna   Tolosa    Brennus     Ramesses     Power ratio (w Brennus)
----   --------  --------  ------    -------     --------       -----------------
T49       82       118               168 (+18)   133 (+6)            0,5745
T50       74       135               168 (+18)   138 (+11)           0,5745
T51      149       152               182 (+14)   144 (+6)            0,5510
                                                 156 (+18)           0,8367  - after the BW trade
T52      231         0               182         161 (+17)           0,7885
T53        0        25       23      192 (+10)   151 (-10)           0,7321
T54      223        50       30      192 (+10)   151                 0,7857
T55        0        67       38      187 (-5)    162 (+11)           0,8000
T56        0        84       46      187         164 (+2)            0,7213                           
T57       99       101       54      192 (+5)    169 (+12)           0,7097                            
T58        0       118        0      184 (-8)    169                 0,7333                    
T59      314       135      116      188 (+4)    169                 0,7213

ok, coming in a minute.

Math should be on scedule. I was so happy when I saw that plunder amount. It must be my new system. Good PC, good boy .

 

[Walter_Wolf]

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[Walter_Wolf]

From the passive intelligence, seems like Brennus has been whipping like mad. Bitracte is at size 2 I think.

EDIT: Screenshots T55 - T59

 

[LowtherCastle]

Got 'em. Thnx.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Well done Walter_Wolf!

We are well on our way to Oracle and the war went well for us.

 

[Kaitzilla]

So many spread out coastal fish, it seems unnatural.

Time to argue about T59-T69!

We must pick a tech to Oracle, or at least plan on what to pick. Actually getting the Oracle and picking the tech makes a natural stopping point. Of course, we need to plan the full 10 turns first so that the workers aren't doing silly things.


We can Oracle Code of Laws, Metal Casting, Currency, Aesthetics, Horseback Riding, Monarchy.

We picked Meditation already, so we can't use the Great Scientist for bulbling Machinery after Oracling Metal Casting and researching Aesthetics. If we pick Code of Laws, we might bulb Philosophy I think. Personally, going to Future tech with a cottage capital I'd like an Academy.

I still favor Code of Laws for the reasons listed here, in addition to the small espionage and courthouse possibilities.


We also must debate whether to stop working scientists once we have Math and focus on getting our next settler out. Should slave chop a forest in Paris to speed this up even more, or save the forests for a vital Pyramids that could go to the other continent?


More war with Brennus? We should be able to have Louis see the hilltop 2N of Brennus' capital and maybe the worker moving to improve horses, but we are blind to Brennus improving stone, corn, bronze, or building roads.


Then there is the question of what to research after Math.
Horseback Riding to really mess up Brennus with horse archers?
Fishing->Sailing for trade routes, a chance to spread our religion to Ramesses and maybe get him to friendly, workboats, and The Great Lighthouse?
Currency with 40% research bonus from 2 prereqs?
Civil Service in the hope that we can use the 50% bonus to chop most of Pyramids in Paris?
Poly->Monotheism for 25% bonus to buildings and big relations bonus with Brennus+Ramesses?

 

[Sun Tzu Wu]

Got the save. Will provide a draft PPP as soon as possible (maybe several hours from now).

Sun Tzu Wu

 

[Kaitzilla]

Pillage Danger Tiles

We actually have one vulnerable tile improvement: wheat and later on this will be horses and wheat. I think our fogbusting should focus on these vulnerabilities until WorldCities =22 or until we have chariots, whichever comes first.

I see no optimal ways for one fogbuster to safely protect the wheat unless Adam can simply block the barb's path at Wheat-1SW, but that's non-optimal too, because then the barb would just attack Adam. I suppose if Adam is 25% fortified, he's at least going to have favorable odds against a barb archer.

Or would putting Adam right on the wheat block the path completely?

In any case, there are different sub-optimal options for protecting the wheat. Is 3SW of the wheat is the safest? That's 2S of where Adam is now. I don't know.

We really need two fogbusters here because there are two tiles to prevent the barbs from landing on and teh mountains get in the way. But this won't bevulnerable until right before we can produce chariots, so maybe we don't need to worry about fogbusting it, but we should all be aware of the potential trouble.


I think we will want it fogbusted when our workers are improving the horses.
.

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If we manage to get Code of Laws on T64, we could switch religions and send our 2 garrison warriors to go spawnbust on T64. We should be able to get horses by T72 roughly with the culture from Oracle and Religious capital.

I kind of like Adam where he is. He is making sure a barb city doesn't form and prevent us from settling on wine. It would be another river city with great commerce potential. He is also well placed to kill a barb that wanders by and become another Woody II unit.


Once again, really nice dotmaps