SGOTM 23 - Phoenix Rising

[Rusten]

-You didn't update WB plan.
-Galley 2 is not heading south -- it's being used for attack on England AFAIK.
-Remember 1T of no growth in SH.

Nap/Julius - mine iron

Is only for 1T. I suggest watermills in Munich after (make sure you do it in the order that allows for 4 watermills)
-Worker Isabella: Chop granary in Rostov after current chop. Not a second worker in Rostov! (The worker being whipped in Rostov next turn chops the other forest). Isabella can chop the forest 1W of Rostov wheat.
-Archer in Athens first (IMO)

 

[Gumbolt]

Yes to Mao/Mehmed war.
Delay trade for gold with sal, KK and JoaoII.
Ask KK to target Yekaterinburg.
40G for cal from Churchill.
70g from Persians for Mono. If not we could try to beg?

Scout- Towards KK.
Workboat in far east continue trip round land.
Mish to Thebes this turn.
Archer to Alexandria
Follow up archer to Thebes. should time better.
Galley 3 head west.
Galley 2 in place for English by borders
Axe towards paris to merge with mace stack.

Paris - Run cottages and lose specialists. Ensure were working the biggest cottages. Slow build market.
FF - Whip Mace - forge. Grab fur.
SH- Whip mace - Xtian mish - treb. 1 turn no growth
Wheatos - whip mace - Mace.
Gemmy - Workboat Gemmy workboat to Athens.
Cologne - Workboat Cologne to Gemmy.

Berlin - MOM - T6 grow onto farm.

Spoiler :

Mausoleum of Mausoles :
I ran a simulation : timing isn't disturbed : t108 golden age.

t103 : 27F/30 +10 ; 26H/450 +64
t104 : 22F/32 +9 ; 90H/450 +21
t105 : 31F/32 +9 ; 111H/450 +21
t106 : 24F/34 WHIP HA 24F/30 ; 86H/50 +11 --> 37H overflow
t107 : 19F/32 +9 ; 132H/450 +76
--> >201H/450 at t107, eot : in range for 6 chops completion.

Alexandrai court house- run 2 scientists. (Keep top 5 city if possible.)
Thebes - Forge and Colossus.
Jerusalem - Archer for alexandria - switch to worker Whip following. First archer for Thebes.
Memphis - Granary.
Munich - Whip xtian mish for st Peters. - Forge.
Hamburg -Switch to LH. Chop. Library. remove barracks from queue.
Athen - Archer - Forge - Focus on growth. Grow onto 3f crab.
Yarl - whip archer and whip worker. Then worker again.
Rostov - Worker Whip then granary
St Peters/Moscow - revolt.

Workers -
Mansa /Zara - Double up farm near Memphis.
Gilga focus on windmills near Jerusalem.
Gandhi/Sal Elizabeth as MOM plan.
Nap/Julius - mine iron -
Alex- Windmill on grass hill
Willem windmill 1E of FF. Then workshops.
Isabella -Chop granary in Rostov after current chop.

Pericles and Churchill. Double chop forest near Gemmy. Then head to camp 1t on grassland for workshop. The other heads to FF/SH.

We want 4 watermills on grassland around munich? So 1E of mine then head anti clockwise with both workers.


1HA 2NE of Moscow.
HA outsdie St Peters 2E1S

Sorry about that I think we are there. I'd rather get it right.

 

[Rusten]

This wasn't mentioned yet, but we need to whip the missionary in Munich. Otherwise it won't get to St Pete in time.
-Whip missionary --> archer? --> forge

Yes to the watermill plan.

Really big empire now so maybe something was forgotten, but I can't come up with anything right now. It'll be easier for me when we play some more turns.
If you add in the missionary whip I'd go green. Either get a garrison archer or a forge after. I'm not sure how the happiness will go -- whether there's time for forge first. Archer would be the safe (lazy) build (my choice).

 

[Gumbolt]

archer plan is fine. If we whip now 22OF which complete archer. We need more defenders.

Okay playing live game now. Are you sticking around a bit??

 

[Rusten]

Yes, I'll be around. I'll edit this post.

Just make sure we don't accidentally lose St Pete after moving away HA.

Had a thought. Would it be better for Churchill to do windmill near Furry. Then we don't lose a worker turn. This means Willem is free. Any thoughts?

Using Willem doesn't lose a worker turn. We have Engineering now. He can move to hill and start on a windmill this turn.

Do we want to whip workboat in Cologne for archer? Could be used as a city garrison somewhere??

Sure. No strong opinion. Seem a good idea as we're not using optimal tiles anyway and it's low size.

Working citizen in Alexandria over coast seems wrong/bad. No lighthouse I see. Then it makes more sense, but keep in mind what ET said.

We could use that archer for Athens?? Or hold for Russian mini stack?

Yes! Athens doesn't need archer before forge now. Probably best to go directly into forge. Cologne archer can stay there for 1-2 turns. Athens won't be unhappy the next few turns.

Are we 100% sure there is no chariot in fog near Smolensk. It could take Rostov? Could move 3 stack 1W. Can still attack Novograd in 2 turns. His units might attack them?

The chance of there being a chariot in Smolensk is really low as it's size 2. The chance that a chariot is 1SW of Smolensk (can't reach otherwise) is even lower.
I'm OK with moving 1W though, it doesn't hurt us that much. The one downside is that his sword might (or probably will) walk onto the hill and force us to take it out, but it's only +25% defense. Smolensk has a monument, do we know when it was constructed? If his border pops and we are 1W of current position we can't reach Novgorod in time.

I'm going to be around still, but I might wander off for a few minutes every now and then starting now.

 

[Gumbolt]

Had a thought. Would it be better for Churchill to do windmill near Furry. Then we don't lose a worker turn. This means Willem is free. Any thoughts?

Religion spread in Thebes worked. *phew*

Do we want to whip workboat in Cologne for archer? Could be used as a city garrison somewhere??

Will consider whip next turn for CH. I have no plan when to whip it. We need 2 turns of a spy for 5T GP. So we can afford 1-2 turns wait. If we whip now it may lose happiness bonus from rep.Running coast in Alexandria!

HA 2NE reveals nothing. Can't see city. Least he is bait.

70G for Poly.

I think all changes have been made. Including avoid growth. Double checking. Will whip Cologne. Earlier workboat is nice anyway. We could use that archer for Athens?? Or hold for Russian mini stack?

Ignore Smolensk comment. He can't use our roads. Staying put.!!

After that I will end turn!

 

[elitetroops]

When is Alexandria supposed to be whipped? If whipped next turn, it grows back to pop 8 one turn earlier if your work coast now.

I can't see any big harm in moving HAs 1W. Should be okay.

If WB in Cologne is whipped, it goes to Athens. Gemmy WB improves Gemmy clams.

 

[Gumbolt]

Okay few issues.
Axe and sword are inside Rostov borders. We need to attack both.
A spear is on forest near Novograd. It has not attacked our HA yet.

 

[elitetroops]

Screenshot?

 

[Gumbolt]

Hold on I will need to save and go full screen mode. Its2e1N of Moscow so could attack our city. We will also need at least 2HA to kill his sword and axe. The chariot and archer did not move.

London has 3 archers, axe, spear and a galley. Very annoying that galley,

Novograd.

Spoiler :

Berlin mystery 2 hammers short. Were exactly at 90 hammers as per plan. We lack 2 hammers. this turn and next. hmmmm. My guess is bic has used an extra grassland mine here. We don't have one to use.

Spoiler :

 

[Rusten]

Maybe Cologne archer needs to go to Berlin actually. It's growing fast.

Stalin's units on flatland is good I think, we get to take them out favourably and get war success for cease fire later. We get good odds there. Most likely we have enough for Novgorod anyway.

 

[Gumbolt]

Okay I will attack his 2 grassland units with our strongest HA. Need to do maths on berlin. Will we be short. How many hammers from the out of culture forest??16 24? More??

Axe and sword are dead. 1st HA took no damage. 2nd HA down to 4.1. No losses. Maybe we could of killed that spear if it had that amount of luck. Wern't to know.

I think we should view Novograd with HA nearby?

We won't have enough units for his city. We would need to leave 2 HA to defend city. 3 of 2 we had on border have lost 1-2 MP.

Berlin is due to be whipped on T105.

Few decisions.
1. Whip Alexandria this turn. Switch off delay growth on Sh.
2. Gemmy - LH.
3. berlin. Maths to do.

 

[elitetroops]

Can you move the HA in Russian lands 1SE to reveal Novgorod defenses?

 

[Gumbolt]

So 90/450 H +19=109
+19=128.
+76=204
45x5= 225
16x1.5=24
249 from chops.
249+204=453. I think we will be okay.

Portugal have worker on their border. I will send in warrior to scout next turn. Yarl has nearly 45 H in worker. Are we planning to 1 pop this?
Hamburg has no worker to chop the LH. We could whip this? Or switch to Lib and whip first.

We could use weakened 4.1HA as bait for spear. I think we need to view Novograd with HA.

 

[Rusten]

Switching to this post.

Portugal have worker on their border. I will send in warrior to scout next turn. Yarl has nearly 45 H in worker. Are we planning to 1 pop this?
Hamburg has no worker to chop the LH. We could whip this? Or switch to Lib and whip first.

We don't want to whip Hamburg if we can avoid it. Golden age soon. Better a 1-pop LH for better tiles than a 3-pop library though.

Do we have enough hammers to finish Yaro worker in 2T or will it take 3? If we can do it in 2 then complete it normally and 2-pop the next.

If it borrows sheep 2 turns.

That's really inefficient use of food. I think it's better to 1-pop whip. Happiness not a major concern there.

Do we keep Sh stuck at size 7??

Nono! Was only for this turn.

Can't say anything about Russia right now, back soon.

 

[elitetroops]

Did you reveal those defenses in Novgorod yet?

 

[Gumbolt]

If it borrows sheep 2 turns.

Views on Russian situ? Scout Novograd now or move HA back to safety?

I'll delay whip alexandria whip. Wait for the archer. Do we keep Sh stuck at size 7??

Most things look sorted.

The Ai have 30 gold in places to trade but what we give away is getting more expensive.

Churchill, Mongols, indians and Ottoman have 30g. we could trade Calendar to Ottoman. We could trade construction to KK? Or beg 30g from him. Mao 20 for mono?

We don't have enough for 100% science.

Sword and archer in Novograd. We could have 6 units around it for next turn. 2 to defend Moscow from spear.

Edit! I could move HA onto road that spear would use to get back to Novograd city. He might just attack it with another unit. Hmmm.

 

[elitetroops]

Which HA is outside Novgorod? C3+Shock? Or C2?

Block spear from going back to Novgorod.

Move out 5 more. Then we can either attack next turn across river, or one turn later without river penalty. If attack one turn later, we can get a couple more HAs to as backup with river penalty.

 

[Gumbolt]

Refresh time. See post above.

So plan will be to move out 5HA in position to attack next turn. Block spear route home.

The alternative is to wait 1 turn for the 2 HA on route. With archer to defend city. We would have 4 more units.

C2 is outside city.

Thoughts on trades? 30g is not much really. Be 100% tax this turn.

We could run citizen in gold coast? Are we trying for size 4 here?

Hamburg is 9T for LH. Frustratingly slow. I'll 1 pop whip LH.

Okay moving on.

 

[Gumbolt]

I'll keep growth in gold coast and end turn. Hold back on trades for now.

Novograd has 2 swords, axe, chariot and archer. Suicide? His spear beat our wounded HA I left as bait. Not even scratched.

No way we can take this! One of our backup HA is also blocked off by spear.

We could threaten Yak instead and see what he does. I would move archer into Moscow. Hmmmm.

I think I will upload for now and play this more tomorrow. Tiring out here. We are ready for Portugal war too. He has a roaming warrior near Gemmy.