[BTS] SGOTM 25 - Home Slices

[Kaitzilla]

In the test save, Bismarck will sign CF after 4t, following worker capture and bomber strike at the LB. If we steal a second worker, he will CF after only 2t. In testing, he does build a quick second worker (as in on the current turn).

The LB doesn't attack after a bomber strike, but will without strike. The one interesting thing is that the LB doesn't get any XP from surviving a bomber strike, so there is no reason not to.

Wow, that's great.

I've never had much success getting Cease Fires with Deity AI after 1 worker steal.

Maybe it's something with the power ratio helping?
Will have to watch out for that Longbow.

 

[WastinTime]

I've never had much success getting Cease Fires with Deity AI after 1 worker steal.

Yea, without 'aggressive ai', quick CF's aren't as easy. bbp says Bis'll CF after 2t. But there's a difference between willing to talk and willing to CF. @bbp: we can actually get CF?

 

[WastinTime]

At least to the point where I know WT can't screw it all up.

Isn't Kaitzilla up next?

 

[babybluepants]

Yea, without 'aggressive ai', quick CF's aren't as easy. bbp says Bis'll CF after 2t. But there's a difference between willing to talk and willing to CF. @bbp: we can actually get CF?

CF. Note that I said 4t after a worker steal; it's 2t if we steal two.
We have about 2x his power - that's probably the main reason. Or maybe that the bomber is threatening the city.

 

[WastinTime]

We have about 2x his power

I guess I'm not used to having so much power for early worker steals. Sounds good.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Isn't Kaitzilla up next?

In that case, turnset done!

 

[LowtherCastle]

Okay, I'm going to try to free myself up to play some tonight. I'm' leaning toward no OR and no Tao. I think the sooner we get cities up and borders popped the better. Plus, Kremlin+SP make builds so much cheaper that I'm not sure it's worth the lost turns, negmods and whatnot, for only three Taoist cities. In my MM, one less happy is inconsequential.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Got it!

 

[LowtherCastle]

Turnset Report #1 T12-T15

T12 1520BC
Gift Toku corn, wheat, and pigs, one deal at a time.
Put eps on Toku

IT
No AI completes IW

T13 1480BC
Manchou border pops, Gua still has ivory! Either resource connections travel through non-OB rivers also or we have some weird connection through that jumble of rivers to the nw of Gua.
Manchou whips something not a building. Total AI power decreases by 1K with Eng -1, TOku -1, Meh +1, so I think Manchou must have whipped a worker, not an archer. (Unlless some AI unit lost to a barb animal, but doubtful.)
Mongolia at 36h so it must be a settler!
Moscow has grown to pop2 as predicted for Modern Era, but cows still not pastured!?!
Tsingtao goes from 13h to 15h, meaning it's not working its clam nets!?!

IT
No AI completes IW
No one is Pleased with Bismarck.

T14 1440BC
Msocow has cow pasture now, building either settler or worker.
In general, nearby AIs are not building units as far as I can tell. Buildings, workboats, settlers, and workers. But...some AI did complete an archer this turn.
We DoW Bismarck. Capture worker, strike lbm for -37% to 3.8.

So I decide to go for a sword in Yanan and 1t sooner attempt to capture of Mongolia.

IT
Both Janice and Prat come to watch our war, bloodthirsty mongrels.
No AI completes IW

T15 1400BC
Move units, pillage Bis copper.
PAUSE TURNSET and UPLOAD.
Need to think about a second chariot in Beijing for worker capturing from Bis.
Manchou's worker is on the corn...
Gua's TR is now with Yanan, so it goes through Shanghai's rivers for sure.

 

[babybluepants]

Did you actually take 30 minutes for 1t?!

Manchou border pops, Gua still has ivory! Either resource connections travel through non-OB rivers also or we have some weird connection through that jumble of rivers to the nw of Gua.

That's what I expected.
Edit: the only thing that will break our connection is war with DG, until we capture Shanghai.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Did you actually take 30 minutes for 1t?!


That's what I expected.
Edit: the only thing that will break our connection is war with DG, until we capture Shanghai.

At least 30mins. Taking my good time. Please don't expect anything fast. You'll go through two pounds of popcorn and get sick...

 

[WastinTime]

It usually takes me at least an hour per turn. 4 hours on my space game. (sometimes 4 months )

 

[babybluepants]

It usually takes me at least an hour per turn. 4 hours on my space game. (sometimes 4 months )

You have just a few more cities to manage in that game.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Paused for the evening and uploaded. Turnset Report. I realized we'll need another unit to capture more workers from Bismarck. Changes Beijing MM most likely.

 

[WastinTime]

nice work, LC
Feels like everything is going in the right direction.

 

[babybluepants]

LC

Some quick questions about the save:

Are you chopping the second forest before the rice farm? How come?

Where is the GSpy heading? Just walkabout or do we have a final destination for it? It would have been nice for the Spy to assist in capturing the Moscow worker, escort it back home and then assist in city captures as needed.

What is the Gua archer doing?

Need to think about a second chariot in Beijing for worker capturing from Bis.

I'd rather not delay Kremlin. Can't we use the archer again?

 

[LowtherCastle]

LC

Some quick questions about the save:

Are you chopping the second forest before the rice farm? How come?

Where is the GSpy heading? Just walkabout or do we have a final destination for it? It would have been nice for the Spy to assist in capturing the Moscow worker, escort it back home and then assist in city captures as needed.

What is the Gua archer doing?


I'd rather not delay Kremlin. Can't we use the archer again?

My MM had the second chop helping get an extra chariot out while farming the rice sooner didn't make a difference in the growth pattern. My plan is to finish the rice before mining the gems.

GSpy is a headache. My first concern is having him planted in our culture target by the time we want to steal CS from Toku. He has to be physically in one of that AI's cities. IS that going to be Toku now? Then I was thinking, will we pop a second one before we need that? I don't know. The reason I decided to explore onward was all this warring is going to close borders and thus prevent us from reconning from Belin, Moscow, etc. Anyway, I suppose the thing to do is bring him back. Is that what I should do?

Gua archer was hanging next to Shanghai in case we got OBs. He needs to be in Gua on T20 for happiness.

My current MM for the Bis archer is to help capture Mongolia. He can't be i two places at once. I'm going to see if I can resolve that without slowing down the Kremlin. Iirc, there were about 20h extra on the Kremlin on T32, so there might be a way.

 

[babybluepants]

In play-testing, I found the GSpy really useful as a worker escort, allowing 2-move by scouting for barb archers. It is also good for scouting Manchou later, before we capture it.

I don’t know who our target is… We should figure that out. I had been assuming from early on that it would be Roosevelt, and that we would leave Chongquing alone. If that is not the case, we may need to plant it in Europe, which obviously changes things.

We are not stealing CS anytime soon, unless we self-tech Alpha.

The recon post-DoW is an issue potentially, now that we didn’t recon from London. We should confirm whether we can circumnav from Washington only before we attack HK. I can check later.

 

[babybluepants]

Not looking at the save right now, but as long as the Gua archer is just sitting, could it move SE and fully fogbust that corner?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Not looking at the save right now, but as long as the Gua archer is just sitting, could it move SE and fully fogbust that corner?

Nope. Thought about that too. Too far away.