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Goal #3 52% land

I estimate we need 30 settlers to fill out the ~850 tiles.
That's after capturing the existing cities + 5 more newly settled AI cities.

The conquer goal was already set at ~T60 to get London.
So once we have enough army, we'd have to get settlers out very fast so they can get into place and have time to pop borders, but I can see meeting this goal at the same time our last captured cities: Paris, London come out of revolt.
If we had to, we could even raze those and re-settle to avoid the revolt wait, but I think we have plenty of other things holding us back (culture, tech, and wonders)
I had a further thought about this. Do we need to clarify is the total military points are simply capped at 100, or if the population / land area / kills points are individually capped at 30/30/40?

If the former is the case:
Killing everyone but Roosy - that’s 7 kills for 35pts. We would likely have a large population lead on Roosy and barbs - what do you think? Maybe 70% population?
30pts*(70%/35%) = 60pts
We would only need 10% land area to get to 100 in that case.

If the latter:
It’s 35pts for kills, 30pts for population, and we still need 60% land for the remainder.

Given how the diplo works (i.e. 58 points for AP, rather than 50), I think the former is likely to be the case.

So, no need for 30 settlers.

Am I wrong?
 
Let's do 0% research until the library is out. Or is there a reason to move forward on T30?

The Library gives +4:science: per turn.
Currency gives +16:commerce: per turn if we have a 2nd island city, or +8:commerce: if we don't.

We have the money to tech Currency right now, so starting on T30 is more beneficial than waiting for Library.
 
I had a further thought about this. Do we need to clarify is the total military points are simply capped at 100, or if the population / land area / kills points are individually capped at 30/30/40?

If the former is the case:
Killing everyone but Roosy - that’s 7 kills for 35pts. We would likely have a large population lead on Roosy and barbs - what do you think? Maybe 70% population?
30pts*(70%/35%) = 60pts
We would only need 10% land area to get to 100 in that case.

If the latter:
It’s 35pts for kills, 30pts for population, and we still need 60% land for the remainder.

Given how the diplo works (i.e. 58 points for AP, rather than 50), I think the former is likely to be the case.

So, no need for 30 settlers.

Am I wrong?

That would be great if the former is true.
Getting 60 points for having 70% of the world's population would be amazing!

Tokyo is not going to do much research for Toku.

With Palace and Bureau and Deity bonuses, it will do a lot more research than if we had it.
Maybe once we have The Great Lighthouse and Colossus, ya we can grab it.
We will need Bismark's Tsing city and Bronze if we want Colossus in good time.
 
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So the team consensus is that the main bottleneck is teching?
Or the 150,000:culture: legendary city?
Wonders? :crazyeye:

Triggering the AP win is easiest, but if we are short on points we have to wait 10 more turns.

With the pressure to capture Manchou + 2 Workers with Choko + 4 Chariots, I want to whip a Sword again in Beijing.
Pillaging the Iron might provoke an attack by the Longbow and city whips, and Sword would really help chop down any Archer spam.

I always fear Toku a little bit because he can whip a half price Barracks into a cheap Archer, and 2 promo Archers are a pain for Chariots!
Half price Walls won't matter against Bomber.

Manchou weirdly has 37h in its current build.
T25(--h settler completed)
T26(--h barracks completed), growth to pop4
T27(18h) furs camped, worker ready to move, +7 final-h = 6h * 125% OR bonus
T28(25h) Manchou-1s2e apparently roaded by 2nd worker but maybe earlier, growth to pop5 so not building a settler, +12 final-h = 10h * 125% OR bonus
T29(37h)

Manchou cannot be building an Ancient Era unit or a lbm (28h), which makes no sense with a settler waiting for an escort. 37h can only be a temple (38h), a library (43h), some other later era building or unit or a wonder. No chops have been completed by Manchou.

So it's probably a library, since Toku has a science Flavor 2. If so, on T30 he'll complete the library, the SabProd will be --, and there will be 4h overflow, so that on T31 he could have put 14h into an archer(12h), and axe(16h) or a sword(19h). If we're lucky it's not an archer and we can DoW and pillage the iron to put the hammers into a warrior (or does that erase them?).

Will keep an eye on this.
 
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Ok, I plan on playing 1 turn tonight to clarify Toku matters a bit.
It will follow the PPP (draft 2) with 1 change.

1) Will make a 6/40:hammers: Swordsman in Beijing and waste 2 worker turns to save 17:gold:
The Sword will be 2-pop whipped in Beijing on T30 to assist Manchou capture.

The rest is the same:
Cease Fire with DeGaulle
70% :espionage: slider on Tokugawa.

Galley to Hong Kong.
Chariot near Gua goes north.
 
Miminalist Strategy -- 3 LCs

1. Paris is within striking distance of Rome. Gift JC a city asap so he'll start roading to it for us.
2. Send out a stack of chariots and roaders to speed to Paris.
3. Minimum we need: 2 GSpies + 3 GArtists + Alpha + 90(?) spies + Theology + AP + 13 more wonders total + Wonder techs
4. Build Pavilion, Globe, Parthenon and NE and run 5 artists in GA spam city.
5. Run 2 spies in Beijing if necessary.
6. Settle all health resources

100 Mil
100 Culture
095 Civil
058 Diplo
014 Tech
056 Wonders
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The above means we only need to capture Paris and other French cities asap. No other warring critical, though useful for cash flow. FOcus on 2 GP spammers, Beijing for the second GSpy and a GA spammer. Only techs needed are Alpha, wonder techs (e.g., Aesthetics + Literature), and Theology. Could add Music for the GA. Use all our cash for maintenance (units, workers, and settling health resource cities (do we need any?)) and maybe USuff (w/Pyramids) cash-building wonders. We don't even need civic revolts necessarily.
 
Okay, with only 1 LC then we can consider 3 GSpies if they can be done in time. I think whipping the sword in Beijing might actually delay our finish time. Manchou is not mission critical. It's just something mice to have. And its workers are even less important.
 
I don't think we need to worry about civil. With the cultural slider and lots of healthies, I think we can get 95-100 no matter how many AIs are living.
I think we want to kill 7 anyway, because 1 kill = 10% land area = 164 tiles = 8-10 settlers.
 
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