[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

fyi, every city needs a Dun eventually. We can do this 50h overflow thing simultaneously or at different times.
Shame we can't use a spy to sabotage our own walls.
 
Ha! I forgot about doubling up the trade and pillaging. :goodjob:

The Silver deer timed with a 2whip so we aren’t using the deer maybe.

The problem is, it doesn’t work work well with Oracle in Profit if we get Phood the same turn as stone. Might as well just build the Oracle at 4hpt. But we can use it well on failgold.
 
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On T33 the Max AI hammer production jumped to 11hpt from 5hpt. That sure seems like a 100% multiplier build. It stayed at 11 until it just went up to 13. SH could be about to fall.
 
WastinTime said:
i don't understand why not
but we will probably have stone first anyway
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6t at 8hpt to get to 48/50 for an extra 20h whereas building the oracle give 24h. In other words, might as well pre-build rax. Actually slightly better, except we don’t need rax. But we could still use the dun later for 60 failgold.
 
So let me get this straight, we can whip 1 pop and get 100:hammers: into GW. Or build Henge in 1 turn :king: (edit: oops, no it's 120h not 100h)
What a great way to jumpstart failgold. We just have that setup time between getting stone and prepping the Dun.
 
I played around in the test game but I can't get the timing to work.

I had 96/50 in walls after whipping. I gave the stone and horse to Zara (our test game SB). Now I tried two things:

1. End turn, pillage horse - I did not have access to stone until the following turn.
2. Pillage horse, end turn - I had stone at the start of the turn after the whip but I only had +25 OF hammers (96-50)/2 = 23 + 2? hammers from organic build (should have been +9).

I'm not sure how to get +50 raw hammer OF.

Can someone else get it to work in the test game? Attached is the test game I was using.
 

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Mitchum said:
I played around in the test game but I can't get the timing to work.

I had 96/50 in walls after whipping. I gave the stone and horse to Zara (our test game SB). Now I tried two things:

1. End turn, pillage horse - I did not have access to stone until the following turn.
2. Pillage horse, end turn - I had stone at the start of the turn after the whip but I only had +25 OF hammers (96-50)/2 = 23 + 2? hammers from organic build (should have been +9).

I'm not sure how to get +50 raw hammer OF.

Can someone else get it to work in the test game? Attached is the test game I was using.
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The trade-off you’re making with this trick is empire-wide access to stone + [other resource] for 1t:

1. Whip max OF with 100%-multiplier resource.
2. Gift away all copies of that resource.
3. End turn.
4. When Sid calculates your OF he doesn’t divide by 2 because you don’t have the resource.
5. Pillage other resource to cancel trade...

Profit can still use the stone tile ofc.

Your thinking is leading to another trick tho. We could retain access to the other resource throughout if we gift one of two copies and then pillage both next turn and re-improve one the same turn.
Horse for instance after Whales culture includes the horse ...

Or only road the silver fur and the fourth cow fur after 100 :culture:!
 
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WastinTime said:
So let me get this straight, we can whip 1 pop and get 100:hammers: into GW. Or build Henge in 1 turn :king: (edit: oops, no it's 120h not 100h)
What a great way to jumpstart failgold. We just have that setup time between getting stone and prepping the Dun.
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I assume this doesn’t affect our trade relations with SH. So the only catch is, we’re limited to overflows each turn into the number available wonders. Hopefully Stonehenge, great wall, Moai.

Sig test.
 
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The walls trick is great, but as LC said, it won't help Oracle much. Here's where I stand on Oracle (in case all my waffling has you confused)

Skip IW. (Oracle is coming too fast)
Net crab T60 (don't be late or Oracle is delayed)
Stone T63 (no wiggle room, must have 2 workers start T60 or Oracle is delayed)
Oracle T81

Profit : T53-59 : Work forest instead of coast (for 14/60 granary)
T60-61 :crab
T62 (grow) : crab + forest 18/60 granary
T63-64 : crab + stone (26/60 granary)
T65 : Priesthood/Oracle
T70 (grow to 3) work whale
T79: (grow to 4) whip granary (crab + stone)
T80: Complete Oracle with 2 chops with zero to spare. (If I counted correctly)

CoL should be there in time IIF the AI completes SH or GW in the early T70's (or late 60's)
If it's after T75, we probably have to delay Oracle waiting for CoL.
 
(Proudly copied from WT‘s shameless copy of Kait’s PPP)
PPP
Turn 45 to Turn 55​
(Changes in red)
(Changes in pink)​

Link to PPP Draft 1

Mitchum's Turnset Report 1 and Report 2 up to Turn 22:

Empire
Kait's turnset (with pictures)

Techs
T45 Revolt to Slavery
T46-T47 The Wheel 0%
T48 The Wheel 100%
T49 The Wheel 50%
T50 Pottery 0%
T51 Pottery 100%
T52 Pottery 60%
T53-T54 Masonry 0%

Workers
Shepherd (In Cow)
T45-T50 Move to, camp 1f-fur
T51-T55 Move to, camp 2h-fur

Cowboy (In Silver)
T45-T48 Camp fur
T49-T52 Move to, road silver
T53-T55 move to, chop Silver-2s2w -or- go to silver!!! Pause for discussion.

Phillip (In Profit)
T45-T49 Move to, chop forest at Profit-sw
T50-T53 Move to, road Profit-nw
T54-T56 Road stone

Joan Dark (born Science, T52)
T52-T55 Farm Sci-1n

Settlers
Settler 7 (3n3e of Science City)
T45-T51 Move to Canal-nw
T51 Board galley1
T53 land on NE Isle
T54-T55 Explore NE Isle
— Go inside borders as needed —

Settler 4 (Silver-6w)
lookout at Whales

Cities
Cow City
T45-T48 galley2; Cow, crab, deer, farm
T49 galley2; Cow, crab, deer, fur, farm
T50-T51 galley2; Cow, crab, deer, 1f-fur, farm
T52 galley2; Cow, crab, deer, 2 fur
T53-T55 workboatProfit; Cow, crab, deer, 1f-fur, farm

Science City
T45-T47 monument; Sheep, Horse, rice, WineFarm
T48-T51 Worker (named Joan Dark); Sheep, Horse, RiceFarm, WineFarm, plainsriver
T52-T53 warrior, Sheep, Horse, RiceFarm, WineFarm, plainsriver
T54-T55 granary, Sheep, Horse, RiceFarm, WineFarm, plainsriver

(Make sure NOT to complete Stonehenge or Walk The Plank!)

Canal City
T45 revolt to slavery
T46 whip monument, crab, coast
T47-T49 Workboat; crab, coast
T50-T52 Workboat; crab, coast, coast
T53-T55 Workboat; crab, 2x forest

Silver City
T45-T51 Monument; clam, silver
T52 lighthouse
T53-T55 granary; Clams, silver

Profit City
T45-T49 Monument; forest
T50-T52 lighthouse; coast
T53-T55 granary; forest

Whales
T5?-T55 Monument

NE Isle City
T5?-T55 Monument

Units
Galley1
T45-T52 Head to Canal-3n2w, receive S7
T53 Move nw, drop settler,
T54 pick up Joan?
T55 drop off Joan?

Galley2
T53-T55 wait for shepherd

Diplomacy
Espionage :espionage: on Sitting Bull
Screenshot his city + espionage screen every turn
Screenshot the demo screen every turn
screen grab F7 each turn. Religion.
Note his score.
Do not OB with SB until we have control of NE island

T56 Trade (Give) Stone to Sitting Bull (wherein flippant joke becomes reality...)
Check each turn, esp. when netting crab and clam for more trades.
Give-in to any resource demands, even horse But WT don't think he'll ever demand a resource we have only 1 of.

Stopping Points
Meet a new AI
T53 Pause for discussion on Whales.
 
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Notes on PPP Draft 2

1. Prioritizes:
  • Stone quarry T63
  • Profit nets T60
  • Early inland exploration of NE Isle
  • Development of Canal
  • Cows growth to pop6
  • Galleys for each island
2. Works with IW beeline or not.
3. Substitutes NE Isle land exploration for wb.
4. Neglects NW exploration.
5. Neglects additional wbs for Silver.
6. Pottery T53 requires slower growth in Cows, or other.

Final note: I am not asserting any strategy here. All open to further discussion. My reason for earlier inland NE Isle exploration is in case there is a useful strategic resource. I looked for a rationale balance of our priorities.
 
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