[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

LowtherCastle said:
PR t26 graph Guesses

T22 rax, p6 gives +4 power, Myst?!! (How so fast?), 3rd city might have comped wb t20, grew to p2 t22, but then even slower teching

T26 score +56?!?!?! How? 12 tiles capital = 30. I can’t see another pop growth, and 3rd city couldn’t be 10 tiles = 26, so settled 4th city? = 9 for pop and 7 tiles for 3rd city, but then not canal?

If not canal, then closer city explains faster Myst.


Hmmmm....other ideas?

Ed: No pop growth between t6 - t21 is why I think 3rd city worked 1h, but then how did they get AH t14? That was tge first indicator they did’t settle canal.
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Revising this.

I do see a pop growth on t26, so no 4th city most likely. Capital finished rice patty on t24. Still leaves 6 tiles to account for, if I’m not mistaken. Either 2clam or Canal-W ?! Probably 2clam judging from Tech rate. They got Sailing t32. Looks like they’re planning to settle offshore asap. And that’s with the plains farm in Cows rather than fur first, by my calcs.

With Cows already p3, they could finish the galley by t38.

Fun!
 
I'm amazed at how you can divine that info from the graphs.

In the BW 1st scenario, Canal can whip the wb almost as early. If you don't work coast, won't that delay BW at least 1 turn?

No -- on 10t monument
 
WastinTime said:
I'm amazed at how you can divine that info from the graphs.

In the BW 1st scenario, Canal can whip the wb almost as early. If you don't work coast, won't that delay BW at least 1 turn?

No -- on 10t monument
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I kept the two tests pretty much the same but on Canal I ran only coastal for the BW.

Deciphering the graphs is simpler than you think. Especially with them saving practically every turn. Plus, when you have to go to DD each time, you learn to think without saves... ;)
 
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LowtherCastle said:
My Impression: BW first slavery benefits are minimal. Extra early wb for exploration possible benefit.

Sailing first gets 1-3 cities settled far sooner. Retains option to beeline Alpha. Gets granaries or libraries much sooner so Sci doesn’t waste hammers.

Settling Silver t37 is a great idea!!!
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Thanks for testing both ways for us LowtherCastle :)
I will make the PPP tonight.

WastinTime said:
So, we're good to go for 4 turns, then rt?
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Ya, just need to write everything down first and recreate what you all have been testing.
 
If we run the fur straight through, monu-wb-wb-galley, both wbs are 2h (total) shy of coming out a turn earlier. The first would go to silver, the second nets cows a turn or two late. If we want those two wbs, I recommend working 1f2h twice instead of he furs.

If instead we want the galley sooner, then only 1turn with 1f2h gives 5h OF into the galley t32.
 
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Be interesting to test rice farm next, workboat then galley, build a worker in Science at pop4 for the Galley and see if we can get our fourth city down really early. That would delay the workboat for silver, I wonder how many turns.
 
PPP#1.3
Turn 22 to Turn 44​

Continuing from Mitchum's playthrough up to Turn 22:
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/sgotm-26-home-slices.657330/page-27#post-15752205
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/sgotm-26-home-slices.657330/page-29#post-15752400

Empire
Spoiler :





Techs
T22-T24 Sailing 0%
T25 Sailing 30%
T26-T31 Sailing 100%
T32-T33 Mining 0%
T34-T36 Mining 100%
T37-T38 Bronze Working 0%
T39 Bronze Working 10%
T40-T42 Bronze Working 100%
T43 Bronze Working 60%
T44 Revolt to Slavery

**Note** In test game there was 0:science: and 0:gold: to spare getting T44 slavery. 1AI knew Mining but did not know Bronze Working

Workers
Shepherd (Worker 1E of Science City)
T23 Move towards wine
T24-T28 Farm wine
T29 Farm 1S1E of wine and stop
T30 Move towards rice
T31-T35 Farm rice
T36-T38 Move towards deer
T39 - Improve Deer
T40 - T42 Improve Deer
OR
T40 - T42 Get on Galley and sail south

Cowboy (Worker 1N1W of Cow City)
T23-T27 Farm plains river 1E of fur
T28-T37 Move towards silver 7N10W of Cow City
T38-T42 Mine silver
T43 - T44 Move to Fur 1N of Silver City and improve
OR
T43 - Move to forest 1S1W of silver if there will be 3:gold: in the bank on T44
T44 - T48 Chop forest for 10:hammers: in Silver City

Phillip (Starts in Science City)
T42 - Help improve Deer/Fur in Cow City, or head south to improve new overseas city (Pull in Settler 7 in the north inside borders to save 1:gold: per turn)

Settlers
Settler 3 (Inside Cow City)
T23 - Head towards silver city spot

Settler 5 (4S2W of Science City)
T22+ - Move to Cow City
T39 - Get on Galley to sail south

Settler 7 (4N2E of Science City)
T31 - Move towards borders
T32-T36 Stay inside borders to prevent -1:gold: per turn cost or get on galley to scout southern lands
T37 - Return to 4N2E of Science City​
T42 - Move inside borders if Phillip is going to leave borders

Settler 4 (9N12W of Cow City)
T22 - Move to 2E1N of whale to keep an eye out for AI workboats
T34 - Move towards 8N9W of Cow City (1N1E of silver)
T37 - Found Silver City 8N9W of Cow City with quad :food: in BFC

Cities
Cow City
T22 - T26 Monument; Cow, Fur (Remove Barracks from queue)
T27 - Workboat (for Silver City); Cow, Fur
T28 - T31 Workboat; Cow, PlainsRiverFarm
T32 - T33 Galley; Cow, PlainsRiverFarm
T34 - T38 Galley; Cow, PlainsRiverFarm, Fur
**Note** Galley can be completed 1 turn earlier by working x2 PlainsForestHill for 3 turns, but loses 15:gold:
T39 - T43 Workboat (for Cow City + sails during revolt); Cow, Unimproved Crab, Fur

Science City
T22 - T28 Stonehenge; Sheep, Horse (Remove Barracks from queue)
T29 - T35 Stonehenge; Sheep, Horse, WineFarm
T36 - Stonehenge; Sheep, Horse, RiceFarm (Make sure NOT to complete Stonehenge or Game Over!)
T37 - T41 Worker (named Phillip); Sheep, Horse, RiceFarm, WineFarm (Remove Stonehenge from queue to avoid accidentally completing it)
T42 - T44 Worker or Barracks or Scout or Warrior; Sheep, Horse, RiceFarm, WineFarm

Canal City
T22 - T23 Workboat; Unimproved Crab
T24 - T31 Workboat; Unimproved Crab, Tundra Forest
T32 - Workboat; Tundra Forest x2
T33 - T38 Monument; Crab, Coast
OR
T33 - T38 Monument; Tundra Forest x2 (If we don't choose Bronze Working)
T39 - T44 Monument; Crab, Coast x2
OR
T39 - T43 Monument; Tundra Forest x2 (If we don't choose Bronze Working)

Silver City (Founded Turn 37)
T37 - Monument; Unimproved Clams
T38 - T42 Monument; Clams (Note on T38 if we can Liberate the city to an unmet AI because Silver City is closer to their capital than ours)
Don't Click the Wrong Button or it is Game Over!
T43 - T44 Monument; Clams, Silver Mine

Units
Workboat 1 (Exploration Workboat)
T22 - T24 Move to 5S3W of Science City
T25 - Move to 6S5W of Science City and stop to talk with team
T26+ Explore the south, even the edges of islands that might hide a path

Workboat 2 (Starts in Cow City)
T32 - T37 Move to Silver City
T38 - Improve clams 1S1E of Silver City

Workboat 3 (Starts in Canal City)
T43 - Improve crabs 1N1E of Canal City

Warrior 1 (2N4E of Science City)
T22 - T26 Move to Canal City to garrison

Galley 1 (Starts in Cow City)
T39 - Head south if exploration Workboat 1 found a good city site to settle (Take Settler 3)

Workboat 4 (Starts in Cow City)
T44 - T45 Improve crabs for Cow City

Diplomacy
Espionage :espionage: on Sitting Bull
Screenshot his city + espionage screen every turn
Screenshot the demo screen every turn

T32 - Trade extra health resources to Sitting Bull

Stopping Points
Stop Turn 25 after workboat runs out of moves to consult with team
Meet a new AI

**Edit**
100% Done!
Added all improvements suggested by team up to post #723
 

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1. Great PPP! :goodjob:
2. Canal — Conditional: maybe only 1f1h after T32, in case we skip BW
3. Scouting workboat: scout all island corners that might lead to land
4. Scouting wb — Conditional: if South is ocean-locked, wb may be able to net Cows crabs sooner, alter MM
5. Liberate lights up for unmet AI?! Please do NOT liberate by accident!!!
6. Phillip? :lol:
7. I you feel like grabbing the Demo screen each turn, we can do fun stuff.

Overall, I’m delighted with the PPP. I just wonder if granaries or library after mining might not be better for Science. But we can revisit that later. Meanwhile I’ll try to do some tests. That doesn’t affect your pre-BW PPP at all I don’t think.
 
On Shepherd T29 farm wine-1e, WT wants us to maximize forest growth, so we’re not planning to farm this tile. Even having the worker there for 1 turn prevents possible forest spread that turn.

Also: I personally would put Shepherd on the galley T40. Let Phillip finish the camp, which would mean CANCELing Shepherd’s action T39.

We’re wasting a bunch of worker turns farming wine before rice. So be it, I guess...
 
On my T 38 test save we can liberate canal and cows to Zara. What’s going on with that? Even tested it, we get the plusmod from liberating Cows!

Also Silver is closer to Thebes than to our capital. How do we find out that it can be liberated without knowing Egypt?
 
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So, settler 7 can jump on the galley somewhere aruond T50 and go to the NE island.
Settler 5 probably has to head to Whales sometime later in your PPP? When would we want to settle that? After Pottery? or after Writing? T50+
OR we settle Whales-1E (includes Fur, silver=1st ring, lower maint?) Cowboy improves one silver, then the other. This might depend on if we settle the island for +2 TRs everywhere.
It's a 10 turn head-start for whales. Remember, we won't have whale until after Biology, so it's just a 3f1c tile (with lh)
 
WastinTime said:
So, settler 7 can jump on the galley somewhere aruond T50 and go to the NE island.
Settler 5 probably has to head to Whales sometime later in your PPP? When would we want to settle that? After Pottery? or after Writing? T50+
OR we settle Whales-1E (includes Fur, silver=1st ring, lower maint?) Cowboy improves one silver, then the other. This might depend on if we settle the island for +2 TRs everywhere.
It's a 10 turn head-start for whales. Remember, we won't have whale until after Biology, so it's just a 3f1c tile (with lh)
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Whales has 43f late game, 1e has 37f. Significant difference?

Interesting dilemma, Whales or SB-S, because the settler can’t move from one to the other. Even early OBs gives us that info pretty late. Seems like the earliest way to know anything is a wb.
 
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