[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[Mitchum]

I'm not sure if I can play on or if we need to consider closing borders with SB...

 

[LowtherCastle]

It sure looks coastal but I forgot all of the fog gazing secrets like how to rotate the camera 45°.

ctrl-left/right arrow
Then
Hold down shift- left/right arrow

 

[LowtherCastle]

I'm not sure if I can play on or if we need to consider closing borders with SB...

Play on. No settler on board.

 

[WastinTime]

I think the prospect of Friendly SB far outweighs where he might settle. We will likely kill him anyway when it's time for Wheat.

 

[WastinTime]

we also lose bpt with closed borders.

 

[Mitchum]

The wb scout could defog that area on the same turn that the chariot could do it if we sent the chariot there ASAP. I see no reason for the chariot to make the trek. My limited fog gazing skills say that it's a coastal tile there.

 

[Mitchum]

Yep on killing SB should he settle wheat and losing the trade routes. Keeping borders open for now. I'll keep my eye on his galley and production. Playing on.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I kinda wanna fully explore. What if there is another island! and we need another explorer!
...but I'm thinking the consensus will be to park and wait for AI wbs.

I’m on board with defogging the far south-eastern corner. Could defog it all if you want. Thevland is narrow enough that we’re unlikely to miss an AI wb.

 

[WastinTime]

It sure looks coastal

The two completely food-less ocean tiles guarantee there is no land.

 

[MirrorGuard]

Poverty Point just completed a galley and it's headed our way. I've been tracking production every turn and I'm sure he hasn't completed a settler during my turnset. MG, did you see a settler when you went past SB's cities? Did you track his production after you went past to know if he could have completed one?

Archers in Cahokia only when I went past. Didn't see what's inside PP. Second question no. IIRC Poverty point gets 3->4 pop growth at T69. He may not have enough time to complete settler in PP before T75

 

[LowtherCastle]

The wb scout could defog that area on the same turn that the chariot could do it if we sent the chariot there ASAP. I see no reason for the chariot to make the trek. My limited fog gazing skills say that it's a coastal tile there.

+1

 

[LowtherCastle]

T83 rival worst land area?

 

[LowtherCastle]

I think the prospect of Friendly SB far outweighs where he might settle. We will likely kill him anyway when it's time for Wheat.

Good point. Pretty sure he won’t get Close Borders negmods with first settler. At least not before border pop.

 

[Mitchum]

T83 rival worst land area?

I just added it to the report. 23K.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I think earliest we need Philo: T130
Could more realistically be T140.
Depends on if we, for example, do Lit+Music for the Artist for the GAge, or just use Canal's GP (like if it is a spy)
I like the sound of free Lit and Music at the cost of an Artist, but only if we get a spy

Optics is likely just a few turns after that since we will be doing 500bpt.

Might save my veto-proof veto for burning a GSpy on a GA. I think the first GSpy planted in our ultimate tech partner is the most valuable GP we’ll spawn in this game. At least 2x any GS.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Poverty Point just completed a galley and it's headed our way. I've been tracking production every turn and I'm sure he hasn't completed a settler during my turnset. MG, did you see a settler when you went past SB's cities? Did you track his production after you went past to know if he could have completed one?

Here are the Sitting Bull Production numbers

T55 - T65

Cahokia (Capital)
T55 - 51 (On Turn 55, Sitting bull had 51 invested in a Settler)
T56 - 57
T57 - 63
T58 - 69
T59 - Building something new
T60 - 15
T61 - 18
T62 - Building something new
T63 - 4
T64 - 3 probably switched builds
T65 - 9
T66 - ?
T67 - ?
T68 - ?
T69 - ?
T70 - ?
T71 - Building something new
T72 - ?
T73 - ?
T74 - ?
T75 - 17
T76 - 21
T77 - 25
T78 - Building something new
T79 - 11
T80 - 20
T81 - 29
T82 - 38
T83 - 67 Chop?

Poverty Point
T55 - 3
T56 - 4
T57 - 5
T58 - 6
T59 - 8
T60 - 10
T61 - 12
T62 - 14
T63 - 16
T64 - 18
T65 - 20
T66 - ?
T67 - ?
T68 - ?
T69 - ?
T70 - ?
T71 - 13
T72 - ?
T73 - ?
T74 - ?
T75 - 27
T76 - 29
T77 - 31
T78 - 33
T79 - 35
T80 - 37
T81 - 39
T82 - Building something new
T83 - 7

Mound City
T63 - 3
T64 - 6
T65 - 9
T66 - ?
T67 - ?
T68 - ?
T69 - ?
T70 - ?
T71 - ?
T72 - ?
T73 - ?
T74 - ?
T75 - 19
T76 - 22
T77 - Building something new
T78 - 4
T79 - 7
T80 - 10
T81 - 14
T82 - 18
T83 - 22

Sitting Bull should not have a settler, but he might be building one in his capital Cahokia right now on T82.

Cost for all buildings and units on Emperor for the AI is 85% (in the Ancient Era) unless it is a Settler.
Settler = 95
Worker/Lighthouse/Granary = 51
Barracks/Galley = 43
Workboat = 25
Archer = 21​

 

[WastinTime]

Mysteriously, Peter's wb turned around and went into Whales

Could be hugely important. Now we need him to go towards SB and not home.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I just added it to the report. 23K.

Wow! Two land tiles eastward of PP. That needs to be scouted as well.

 

[WastinTime]

Might save my veto-proof veto for burning a GSpy on a GA. I think the first GSpy planted in our ultimate tech partner is the most valuable GP we’ll spawn in this game. At least 2x any GS.

Wasted. Why spend anything for techs we get for free with Friendly?
Cost of the spy, The galley to get him there. 2nd spy in case 1st is caught. Negmods for getting caught.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Wasted. Why spend anything for techs we get for free with Friendly?
Cost of the spy, The galley to get him there. 2nd spy in case 1st is caught. Negmods for getting caught.

I highly doubt we’ll be able to get the other AIs to Friendly. They’ll have massive religious negmods.