[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[LowtherCastle]

-1 “A first impression is a lasting one.”

 

[LowtherCastle]

So we know Charles exists but haven’t met him yet. Hm.

St. Pete has had a library for 15t.
Novgorod has a monument instead.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I think getting Granary and Lighthouse done with 1-pop whips as soon as possible is best.
We need Profit to get Moai done as fast as possible so we can cash it in when we run out of Pyramid fail gold

Only Profit City can complete the Moai Statues since it has our prophet Great Wonder.​

So isn’t maxOF 2whipping granary and lh more conducive to finishing Moai asap?

 

[Kaitzilla]

It shows up on my save for both Peter and SB. Not on your save?????

I am not seeing any mapmaker monkeying on my save.

Spoiler :

That is just Buffy 3.19.005 showing us the -1 we get from being on Emperor I think.
Open up any new game with Buffy 3.19.005 on Emperor and all the AI will say -1 “A first impression is a lasting one.”, no mapmaker needed.

If NZ has hurt our relations with Sitting Bull, it would say -1 "Past events have drawn our people apart"

So isn’t maxOF 2whipping granary and lh more conducive to finishing Moai asap?

I think growing on +5 per turn + working stone for +4 per turn into Maoi is fastest way.
Work on something that can be 2pop whipped into max overflow whenever another city puts hammers into Maoi. Maybe a Galley.

 

[WastinTime]

So isn’t maxOF 2whipping granary and lh more conducive to finishing Moai asap?

we are definitely 2pop whipping LH. I'll change the plan.
Granary? Hmm. I'll have to see if it's worth holding it back. Could be better to just move on to another building.

 

[Kaitzilla]

we are definitely 2pop whipping LH. I'll change the plan.
Granary? Hmm. I'll have to see if it's worth holding it back. Could be better to just move on to another building.

Haha, I stand corrected.

Ya, Lighthouse can be 2-pop whipped in Profit City on T95 with a lot of overflow.
Good job LTC.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I am not seeing any mapmaker monkeying on my save.

Spoiler :

That is just Buffy 3.19.005 showing us the -1 we get from being on Emperor I think.
Open up any new game with Buffy 3.19.005 on Emperor and all the AI will say -1 “A first impression is a lasting one.”, no mapmaker needed.

If NZ has hurt our relations with Sitting Bull, it would say -1 "Past events have drawn our people apart"

Woooow! That explains a lot. I’ve been wondering why that appears so often lately. I was concerned that my set-up was goofy or something. Seems weird it’s a map makers for the BOTMs always do that. Thanks, Kait!

So then yes indeed, you’re right! Pleased at +4, friendly at +11!

 

[Kaitzilla]

Ok, let's delay the religion switch until at least T93 and we are sure the +1 Open Borders bonus will give us Friendly with Sitting Bull eventually.
That way we won't have religious negmods with any new AI we meet.

Gives more time for Sitting Bull to demand something like a resource or a religion switch from us.
Maybe he will demand 10 right after we get Currency.

Will Sitting Bull really have a monopoly tech for us on T106 if he is Friendly?
T113 Friendly Sitting Bull is almost as good.

**Edit**
Ah, SB won't really trade us anything until he is Friendly, that's right.
Bah, I have a headache.

 

[WastinTime]

Profit
So, the 1-whip of Granary is a no-brainer. It's horrible holding it for a 2 whip.
LH 2pop looks great tho. Just in time for T95, so it goes into Moai. PPP updated.

 

[Mitchum]

I think getting Granary and Lighthouse done with 1-pop whips as soon as possible is best.
We need Profit to get Moai done as fast as possible so we can cash it in when we run out of Pyramid fail gold

Only Profit City can complete the Moai Statues since it has our prophet Great Wonder.​

Yes, I get the Moai needs to be in Profit but I was thinking we might want Profit to help contribute to Mids fail gold first to give us more time to put fail gold into Moai in other cities. 1-pop whipping with very little OF and then putting that OF into the next build and not fail gold doesn't excite me too much.

After Profit puts two, 2-pop-whip OF rounds into the Mids from granary and LH, it could whip other things (library, etc.) to build Moai.

Or, if we're in a hurry to complete Moai for some reason, the OF whips of the LH and granary could go into Moai instead.

EDIT: multiple xpost. I missed that there was another page.

 

[WastinTime]

What does our galley do after warrior dropoff? It could sail into the city T87 and the warrior arrives T90 in Whales which is probably not needed yet.
So save the galley movement and go back south?

I know, galley takes T89 Miss to Profit for earlier Marble

 

[Kaitzilla]

T85 Real Game Screenshots!

Spoiler Empire :

Spoiler World :

Spoiler Extra :

 

[WastinTime]

I've tried hard to find something wrong or some improvement to the PPP, but it's a work of art, Kaitzilla.
Silver gets to size 9 as requested. I may have something to add T92-95, but how about considering green-lighting at least T85-91 when you get a chance to review it. I'll re-post the latest PPP.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I know, galley takes T89 Miss to Profit for earlier Marble

We could sail 1N on T85, drop off the Warrior on that plains hill, and sail to 3N3E of Profit City by T89.
The Warrior could walk to Whale City by T100 by itself if it takes the place of Silver City Warrior.
It would be nice to get a 2-pop whip of monastery for extra sure.

Converting Peter faster feels good too though.

 

[WastinTime]

PPP - v1.0
Turn 85 to T92-ish
Last hammers go into Pyramids T94​

Screenshots

Techs
T85 - Currency 100% (323 -58) +88 Currency@13/624
T86 - Currency 100% (265 -58) +90 Currency@119/624
T87 - Currency 100% (207 -57) +85 Currency@228/624
T88 - Currency 100% (150 -60) +100 Currency@331/624
T89 - Currency 100% (98 -60) +99 Currency@452/624 (Note the +8 from missionary whip)
T90 - Currency 50% (38 -19) +47 Currency@572/624
T91 - Paper 0% (19 +34) Paper@ 0+Overflow/936
T92+ - Paper 0% (53 +38) Paper@ 5/936

Workers
Rex - (
85 - T87 Chop forest 1E of Clam City
T88 - Move to forest 2N of Clam City
T89 - T91 Chop forest
T92 - Road 2N1W of Clam City

Shepherd - (
T85 - T87 Chop forest 1N of Clam City
T88 - Road 2N1W of Clam City and Stop!
T89 - T90 Road Rice tile 2E1S of Science City
T91 - Road Horse tile 1E of Science City
T92 - Farm 1N1W of Science City

Cowboy -
T85 Pasture Horse 2S of Whale City
T86 - Move to Fur 2S1E of Whale City
T87 - T90 Camp Fur
T91 - T92 Road Fur

Phillip - (
T85 Chop forest (3 are lost due to overflow cap on Lighthouse)
T86 - Move to forest 3N1E of Cow City
T87 - T88 Chop forest
T89 - Chop forest and STOP! (auto-stops)
T90 - T91 Move to forest 3N3W of Cow City
T92 - T94 Chop forest (13) into Pyramids

Joan Dark - (
T85 - T86 Chop forest 1E of Cow City
T87 - Finish Road 1N of Cow City
T88 - Move to forest 2N2E of Cow City
T89 - T92 Chop forest
T93 - Move to forest 3N1E of Cow City
T94 - Chop forest to finish Pyramids

Heretic - (
T85 - Move to tundrahillforest 2S1E of Canal City
T86 - T87 Chop Forest
T88 - Chop Forest and Stop!
T89 - Mine foresttundrahill and Stop!
T90 - Chop Forest
T91 - Move to forest 3S2E of Canal City


Cities
Science
T85 - Pyramids (Goes to 371/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm
T86 - T87 Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T88 - 1-pop Whip Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm
T89 - Pyramids (Goes to 461/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T90 - T91 Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T92 - Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm x2
T93 - Pyramids (Goes to 498/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm x2
T94 - TBD, but work 2 scientists (30gpp total)

Cows
T85 - 2-pop Whip Lighthouse; Crab, Cow, Deer
T86 - Pyramids (Goes to 296/500); Crab, Cow, Deer (2 chops land)
T87 - T88 Library; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm
T89 - T90 Library; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm, Coast
T91 - 3-pop Whip Library; Crab, Cow, Deer (2 chops land)
T92 - Wealth; Crab, Cow, Deer
T93 - Wealth; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm
T94 - Pyramids (Goes to 500/500); Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm (chop lands)

Canal
T85 - T86 Library, Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Tundraforesthill 2
T87 - Library, Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Tundraforesthill 2
T88 - Library; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast x2
T89 - Library; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast x2, Tundraforesthill 2
T90 - 3-pop Whip Library; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam (chop lands)
T91 - Pyramids (Goes to 158/500); Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast
T92 - Dun; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast

Silver
T85 -T86 Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Coast x2
T87 - 3-pop Whip Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Deer
T88 - Pyramids (Goes to 62/500); Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer
T89 - Moai Statues; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer
T90 - T91 Moai Statues; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer, Angry Citizen
T92 - Moai Statues; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Coast, Deer, Angry Citizen

Profit
T85 - Granary; Crab, Stone, Whale
T86 - 1-pop Whip Granary; Crab, Stone (Avoid Growth Button ON!)
T87 - T89 Lighthouse; Crab, Stone
T90 - Lighthouse; Crab, Stone (Avoid Growth Button OFF!)
T91 - T92 Lighthouse; Crab, Stone, Whale
T93-T94 - Library
T95 - 2-Whip Lighthouse; Crab, Stone
T96 - LH resolves (after anarchy)
T97 - Moai

Whales
T85 - T87 Workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse
T88 - Workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse, Silvermine
T89 - 1-pop Whip workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse
T90 - Pyramids (Goes to 138/500); Crab, Clam, Horse
T91 - T92 Lighthouse; Crab x2, Clam, Horse
T93 - 94 LH, + silver
T95 - whip LH
T96 - resolve LH
T97 - wealth
T98 - Moai

Clam City
T85 - T86 Lighthouse; Clam, Plainsfarm
T87 - Pyramids (Goes to 134/500); Clam, Plainsfarm (2 chops land)
T88 - T89 Lighthouse; Clam x2, Plainsfarm
T90 - 2-pop Whip Lighthouse; Clam x2
T91 - Wealth; Clam x2 (chop lands)
T92 - Pyramids (Goes to 262/500); Clam x2, PhillMine
T93 - 1-pop Whip Workboat; Clam x2 (Sails to Canal City)

Units
Galley 1
T85 Sail 1N, drop off warrior,
head to 3S1E of Deer to pick up Confu Missionary

Galley 2
T85+ Explore west

Scout 1
T85+ - Explore the west with Galley 2

Chariot (South of Sitting Bull's lands)
T85+ scout every corner (edit: that could possibly lead somewhere) Hugging the east shore. Return home.

Warrior 3
T85 - Get off Galley 1
Walk to SilverCity
T88 Garrison Silver
T88 - T91 Move to Whale City
T92+ Garrison Whale City

Workboat 10 (Born in Cow City on Turn 78)
T88 - Explore Holy Rollers
New Workboat 13? in Canal City will net the clams for Clam City

Confucian Missionary 2 (Born in Science City on T89)
T89 - T90 Move to 1S of Cow City
T91 - T92 Move to 2N3W of Cow City
T89 Move to Gems/road
Board Galley and go to Profit to get Marble faster.
Sail all the way into the city to spread 1t faster.

Workboat 14 (Born in Whale City on T90)
T90 - Sail to crab 1N2W of Whale City
T91 - Net crab for Whale City

Diplomacy
Espionage on Sitting Bull
If Sitting Bull or Peter demands something, give it to them, but if it's Confu, stop and discuss
T91+ If Sitting Bull or Peter demand more than 200, tell them NO! ?? Stop and discuss
SB: Cancel Sheep for Rice. Give Crab for Rice.
T85 Give Peter Sheep.
When roaded, give Rice. No! trade rice for 1gpt
When camped, trade Fur for gpt
T95: cancel sheep. Re-negotiate.

Every Turn
Check each turn if someone has Alphabet
Check if someone has Currency
Check if Peter will take resources, and gift horse or anything of which we have 2
Note if any Great Scientists were born in the world
Check if Confu spread somewhere
Zoom in on Sitting Bull's cities and look for a Library
Check that and matches before pressing next turn.
Save and the start and end of each turn

Notes
T87 - Watch for Mound City border expansion. Note Rival Worst land area on F9 Demo screen.

Stopping Points
Pyramids is completed by the AI
Meet a new AI
Start of Turn 95 is reached

 

[WastinTime]

changed rice and fur gifts to be trade for gpt (currency)

 

[WastinTime]

Converting Peter faster feels good too though.

I was just gonna auto-spread that

 

[LowtherCastle]

I was just gonna auto-spread that

I personally prefer spawning gold and copper. We can build the missionaries.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Green light.

 

[WastinTime]

We could sail 1N on T85, drop off the Warrior on that plains hill, and sail to 3N3E of Profit City by T89.

This!
is the correct thing to do. I checked that Whales has no need for MP.
For this reason, I'd like to do Profit first, and get Peter later. (if we don't get autospread)
There is enough time to sail to Whales-west and back to Profit for the worker(s) to move on marble.