Makes more sense if it's his anarchy turns. When we are in anarchy, he still gets to use our resources.
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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Crap, how many turns has he been in Anarchy the last 30 turns?
He did HR T94 I think (pre-fur)
then we made him do Bur/Caste
Then Tao
So that's 45/50
then we made him do Bur/Caste
Then Tao
So that's 45/50
I'm done for today. Looks like I can play tomorrow sometime.
He did HR T94 I think (pre-fur)
then we made him do Bur/Caste
Then Tao
So that's 45/50
Phew, that makes sense.
I hope that is what it is.
I've confirmed that we've had fur going since T95 by carefully opening the paused T105 save.
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I cancelled the fur trade to Peter for 10 seconds in the middle of my turnset and then it went back up for 2
per turn, so no break there.T109 - Novgorod has 89in a build.
Peter's new city has a Chariot garrison and no worker for his ice iron.
Our Chariot has perished after being cruelly abandoned in Anarctica to save a few bucks!
Renegotiated Fur with Peter for 2
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I just did some code diving, and I have an evil plan. 
Turns out size does matter...for electing to switch religions.
Keeping Peter in Confu
Tao population : 18
For Peter to switch back to Tao, the population needs to be greater than Confu population *4/3
So, a confu pop of 14 should keep him there.
Moscow + St. Pete + Yek = 15
If we can get him to stay there, he should spread confu with missionaries if they can beat the auto-spread.
Now, you're probably thinking, we can't risk spread failure. Here's a no-risk plan:
IFF no Tao has spread, We try Moscow first. If it fails, we do Yaro + Yek at 100%.
If Moscow succeeds we're also safe, we try St. Pete. Fail or not, Peter will switch with 2 cities confu.
Problem. One autospread to Yaro/Novg and he'll probably switch to Tao, so we're probably better off taking the no-religion spots to stop autospread, and then try to lock him out of Tao later.
So, long story short: I'm not suggesting any change
But I thought you'd want to know the findings from my little exercise. Maybe you have an evil adjustment to suggest?
Turns out size does matter...for electing to switch religions.
Keeping Peter in Confu
Tao population : 18
For Peter to switch back to Tao, the population needs to be greater than Confu population *4/3
So, a confu pop of 14 should keep him there.
Moscow + St. Pete + Yek = 15
If we can get him to stay there, he should spread confu with missionaries if they can beat the auto-spread.
Now, you're probably thinking, we can't risk spread failure. Here's a no-risk plan:
IFF no Tao has spread, We try Moscow first. If it fails, we do Yaro + Yek at 100%.
If Moscow succeeds we're also safe, we try St. Pete. Fail or not, Peter will switch with 2 cities confu.
Problem. One autospread to Yaro/Novg and he'll probably switch to Tao, so we're probably better off taking the no-religion spots to stop autospread, and then try to lock him out of Tao later.
So, long story short: I'm not suggesting any change
But I thought you'd want to know the findings from my little exercise. Maybe you have an evil adjustment to suggest?LowtherCastle
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I was surprised earlier when you said population didn’t matter. I had remembered it mattering.I just did some code diving, and I have an evil plan.
Turns out size does matter...for electing to switch religions.
Keeping Peter in Confu
Tao population : 18
For Peter to switch back to Tao, the population needs to be greater than Confu population *4/3
So, a confu pop of 14 should keep him there.
Moscow + St. Pete + Yek = 15
If we can get him to stay there, he should spread confu with missionaries if they can beat the auto-spread.
Now, you're probably thinking, we can't risk spread failure. Here's a no-risk plan:
IFF no Tao has spread, We try Moscow first. If it fails, we do Yaro + Yek at 100%.
If Moscow succeeds we're also safe, we try St. Pete. Fail or not, Peter will switch with 2 cities confu.
Problem. One autospread to Yaro/Novg and he'll probably switch to Tao, so we're probably better off taking the no-religion spots to stop autospread, and then try to lock him out of Tao later.
So, long story short: I'm not suggesting any change
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1. Fill atheist cities first.
2. Spread to largest cities asap. (Not eventually)
2. Spread to largest cities asap. (Not eventually)
We didn't manage a temple in silver so I think we're stuck at size 11 now that we're whipping a missionary.
Although size 12 or 13 is ideal, 11 should perform OK.
In hindsight, I think I'd take temple over ch here.
Question: are we putting 2pop whipped Miss OF into UoS? or a 5th Missionary? or could it be in temple + chop the new forest?
Although size 12 or 13 is ideal, 11 should perform OK.
In hindsight, I think I'd take temple over ch here.
Question: are we putting 2pop whipped Miss OF into UoS? or a 5th Missionary? or could it be in temple + chop the new forest?
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@WT: So we need a backup plan if there is autospread before our missionaries arrive. Spread to St Pete first, Moscow second.
The odds are 91% independent of city size.
If possible, move missionaries so they have options on the turn of spreading.
The odds are 91% independent of city size.
If possible, move missionaries so they have options on the turn of spreading.
I'm looking forward to seeing a nice jump in score at the end of my turnset from all the population.
Check. Already planned. Missionaries just naturally end up in nice locations that give them options without any adjustments.
I don't think we can get guilds before T122.Sorry, Last turnset still going, but this morning, I had the time for this.
Besides, I like the overlap cus we change stuff like the Dun in Silver T114.
(premature) PPP DRAFT
T115 to T124
Techs
T115-116 - 100% Machinery
T117-120 - 100% Guilds
T121-123 - 100% Banking (or Aes if not coming free)
T124 - Lit (or Banking if not done)
Workers
Phillip
Joan Dark
115-116 Mine gems
117 - board galley
118 - Unload
119-123 fort/rd marble
124 - board galley
Shepherd
115-116 Mine gems
117 - pRoad outside culture
118 - board galley
119 - Unload
120-123 fort/rd marble
124 - pRoad towards Profit and STOP
Rex
115-116 Mine gems
117 - pRoad outside culture
118 - finish road
119 - board galley
120 - Unload
121-122 fort/rd marble
123 - board galley
124 - unload
125 - help with Wheat
Cowboy
115 move 2N to forest
116-118 chop n STOP (for max forest growth)
119 move to roaded forest
120-123 chop
124 move to forest
125 chop
126 move
(3rd chop lands 127 if we need it.)
Heretic
T115 - Move to forest 4N1E of Science City to chop for Sankore
then Wheat
Cities
Science City
T115 - Sankore; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Wine, x2 Plainsriverfarm, Gem Mine
T116 - (no stone access) pMIssionary or Sankore anyway?; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Wine, Plainsriverfarm, 2x Gem Mine
T117+...Sankore...
then finish Missionary to Canal's Caravel
2nd miss for 2nd caravel tbd
Cow City
T115 - University; Crab, Cow, Deer, x2 Plainsriverfarm, x3 Coast
T116 - 4whip University
T117 -122 Trireme
T123+ 2nd Trireme tbd
Canal City
T115 - 5-pop Whip University; x2 Clam, Crab, x4 Coast
T116 - (1 hpt) wealth; x2 Clam, Crab, Coast
Clam City
T115+ wealth (1hpt)
Profit City
T115 - Moai Completes (goes to 254/250
T116+ workboat (whale) 1 hpt (work all food)
Silver City
T115 - Missionary; Deer, x2 Crab, Clam, Coast
T116 - 2whip Miss; Deer, x2 Crab, Clam
T117+ - Missionary? or Temple? or UoS; Work only food
Whale City
T115 Dun; x2 Crab, Clam, Horse, x2 Coast
T116 - whip library, remove, whip Dun; x2 Crab, Clam, Horse, x2 Coast
T117 - Library; x2 Crab, Clam, Horse
T118 - 122 Wealth (holding OF); x2 Crab, Clam, all Coast
T123 + Parthenon (add horse)
Units
Trireme
T123-132 sail to Canal 3E
Galley in Peter's land
T115-116 move to be in place for emergency miss. transport
Galley 2W of Whale City
T115 - Wait for emergency miss. sitch
Galley south of Sitting Bull
Marble worker transport (we really made this complicated)
T115-117 move to pickup
T117 pickup 2
118 drop 2, pickup 1
119 drop 1, pickup 1
120 drop 1
121-122 sleep
123 pickup 1
124 drop 1, pickup 2
Confucian Missionaries 1 and 2
116 spread Yaro
117 spread Novg
Confucian Missionary 3
T117 - IFF other spreads succeed, or if one succeeds and Tao cities = 3, spread to Yekaterinburg, else board galley
Warrior (Born in Cow City)
117 pillage road outside culture
118 go to MP in cows. Science gets no MP?
Diplomacy
split. maintain +5 lead on Peter
Peter
115 Gems gift
115 MC for 50 gold + map
117 map + gold? for Confu (Friendly)
117 Machinery + gold? for Feudalism
121 Guilds+Currency for Philo + Construction + gold + map
SB
116 after whipping Duns, gift Stone + Deer (for gpt)
Give in to any Peter or Sitting Bull demand except:
Gold demand will be discussed with team
Everything else is a Yes including Paper or our map.
Every turn
Check if Confu spread somewhere
Save and the start and end of each turn
Stopping point
Peter or Sitting Bull demands
Something unexpected happens
100% Done with draft (testing needed yet), Comments welcome
Just Machinery for Feudalism? That will cost a bit of gold hmm
Cowboy can chop the forest complete on T119 into the Wealth build of Whale City I think.
Saves 1 worker turn later, and Parth can be completed 1 turn earlier if needed.
If you want to keep forest around for a few more chances for forest growth because last chop into Parth T127 is ok, that's fine.
If we send just 3 Workers for Marble, it saves a lot of Worker turns.
And marble hooks up T124 instead of T123 I think.
Wheat needs a 2nd Worker to finish fort in time.
It has to get up there by T131 I think?
Fort + Road should take 12 worker turns I think.
If we keep the 4th Worker on the mainland after fixing new deer road, maybe send to Cow City to chop, or farm up Clam City.
T116 - Science City should probably build Sankore without stone anyway.
That wonder is a huge tech boost and even 1 turn faster helps.
T115 Cow City University needs to work something besides 3 coast to get over 50/200 to enable a 4-pop whip
Silver City Missionary overflow?
Save it for Parthenon I think.
I don't think Science City needs an MP, but I'm not certain
Good luck if you play WastinTime
I will pray that the unknown unknowns stay away.
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If we target all 3 empty cities first, we can start a new Confu Missionary on T115 and get the 4th rolling right away.
WT is swinging for a homerun I think.
If we bribe Peter into Confu in such as way that he stays in Confu instead of switching back T123, that could have benefits too.
We get more turns at Friendly, and don't have to pay for him to go back to Confu later.
I vote present.
121 Guilds will be a breeze. So much that we could probably do Aes 1 turn with the OF (if we wanted)
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As long as we can spread religion to a given AI at all, we can also use Confu for plusmods for the UN later on...
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You guys don’t start spawning gold, iron and other resources in our mines I’m going to have to play a turnset here. That’s a threat.
I didn't give you guys the whole story. It's quite a bit more complicated.
Because of the holy city, once Peter gets a few buildings in Tao, it gets harder and harder to prevent him from switching back to it.
All we have are big tech (except maybe Lit), so it will be painful to bribe him to confu with a large tech just to trade for 1 tech.
Maybe we can give him cash for switching, then get the cash back in the tech trade?
However, like I already said. Blocking autospread is probably the best idea for T116. But maybe T127 is not too late to lock him in Confu.
So, I'm leaning towards 5th missionary. Kait said Parthenon failgold.
5th missionary is ok if it is for long term strategic advantages.
Peter will grow quite nicely when he settles those 2 islands.
Investing in Peter for the long term is probably better than 65 fail gold now that you mention it.
