SGOTM6 - Team Peanut

[MailMan]

Since we are competing against other teams the differences between C3C and PTW will affect all.

but... PTW industrious trait is more powerful than on C3C.

I can go either way. I think that C3C armies (which we will probably have tons of) will rule the game (if we choose C3C).

 

[Mathilda]

Someone want to flip a coin?

 

[mad-bax]

For purely selfish reasons I hope you will stay with PTW, otherwise we will have seven conquests teams and only 3 classic teams. No pressure of course, it's just that I would like to support the mac platform (as well as pple who do not own conquests).

It's up to you - really no pressure. But if it would otherwise be a coin toss....

 

[MailMan]

So, You are basically saying that we will have less competition on the laurel in PTW...

Regardless of the above, if mad-bax wants more teams on PTW, and we do not have any preference between the two, I'll say that we should choose PTW.

 

[mad-bax]

Not really. Fewer competitors, not necessarily less competition. Tao, Xteam and Peanut are still intact. Offa has been disbanded and CDZ has been altered - though still very strong. CarlosMM and akots will not be playing.

 

[Kaiser_Berger]

I think we'll have stiff competition either way. Underestimating Tao or Xteam would be a mistake, as they clearly defeated us this last time out. We could however chalk that up to them getting a lot more cities, Pyramids, replaceable parts, or perhaps more pleasure out of masochistic micromanagement

Nonetheless, I don't mind PTW at all. I think it will be tougher, but that does in turn give us extra bragging rights should we finish quicker than the C3C contingent.

 

[civ_steve]

If it's a coin toss, I'd suggest we stay with PTW. I thought the final competition between Xteam, Tao and Peanut was really interesting - let's leave them in the dust this time!

I've read the article MailMan linked to. Very interesting with a lot of useful information, but be careful about the elements that were specific to Sid level, the Byzantines, etc.

 

[Peanut]

PTW sounds good to me. If Xteam is PTW then we are duty bound to meet them again on the field of glory and this time teach them a lesson that they won't forget in a hurry* !

* of course we may first have to wait patiently for them to pick themselves off the floor and let the ache from their hysterical laughter subside.

But seriously folks - last game was very close so another tussle between X, Tao and us would be interesting.

 

[Gyathaar]

PTW sounds good to me. If Xteam is PTW then we are duty bound to meet them again on the field of glory and this time teach them a lesson that they won't forget in a hurry* !

* of course we may first have to wait patiently for them to pick themselves off the floor and let the ache from their hysterical laughter subside.

But seriously folks - last game was very close so another tussle between X, Tao and us would be interesting.

I doubt Xteam will be playing PTW.. since only vanilla works on Mac
I still wonder how our game would have gone had we played PTW.. since in ptw the barbarians would not have come straight for our worker/capital

 

[Peanut]

Oops - D'Uh ! Good point ! But vanilla / PTW results are sort of comparable, aren't they ?

 

[Gyathaar]

vanilla and ptw are pretty much the same with the SGOTM modifications...
Except from some improvements in interface screens the only real differences (that I know of) is:

- barbarians are smarter in vanilla (ptw barbarians work the same as C3C barbarians with NoAIPatrol=0 set.. and will only go on attack vector if a unit is on straight NW,NE axis... putting NoAIPatrol=1 in the ptw.ini will break barbarians in same way as they are in default C3C)

- you cant irrigate though hills (and tundra) in vanilla by building a city on them.

- I believe corruption in communism is worse in vanilla than in ptw

 

[DJMGator13]

I doubt Xteam will be playing PTW.. since only vanilla works on Mac
I still wonder how our game would have gone had we played PTW.. since in ptw the barbarians would not have come straight for our worker/capital

Correct, Alan is a mac user and only has access to Van games.

 

[mad-bax]

vanilla and ptw are pretty much the same with the SGOTM modifications...
Except from some improvements in interface screens the only real differences (that I know of) is:

- barbarians are smarter in vanilla (ptw barbarians work the same as C3C barbarians with NoAIPatrol=0 set.. and will only go on attack vector if a unit is on straight NW,NE axis... putting NoAIPatrol=1 in the ptw.ini will break barbarians in same way as they are in default C3C)

- you cant irrigate though hills (and tundra) in vanilla by building a city on them.

- I believe corruption in communism is worse in vanilla than in ptw

There are two other differences that I am aware of.
It costs about 25g to buy a worker in vanilla and 125g in PTW
There is more variation in free tech for a scientific Civ.

In vanilla the (S)GOTM staff have created an alternative starting worker thet cannot be traded. This means you can't take the AI's last worker off them for 25g.

We avoid having more than one scientific civ in the game to prevent PTW players gifting them all into a new age and trading for the variety of techs.

Of course in a game where trading is impossible that may not be the case.....

 

[Gyathaar]

There are two other differences that I am aware of.
It costs about 25g to buy a worker in vanilla and 125g in PTW
There is more variation in free tech for a scientific Civ.

I had forgotten about those

 

[Mathilda]

- I believe corruption in communism is worse in vanilla than in ptw

My painful experience from sgotm06 about ptw and corruption in communism was that it could not have been any worse.
Maybe you mean that it gets that bad for even smaller empires.

 

[Gyathaar]

My painful experience from sgotm06 about ptw and corruption in communism was that it could not have been any worse.
Maybe you mean that it gets that bad for even smaller empires.

yes

 

[AlanH]

Correct, Alan is a mac user and only has access to Van games.

I'm only one member of Xteam. If the rest of the team prefers PtW or C3C then they should play it.

 

[Melifluous]

...and CDZ has been altered - though still very strong. CarlosMM and akots will not be playing.

I resent that remark.

I'm still in the team and so is Col.

Where people get a Deity rating for me for I dont know...



Melifluous

 

[mad-bax]

Because I played an SG with you - you sandbagger!

And wearing pink dresses at the weekend won't help either!

 

[Mathilda]

And wearing pink dresses at the weekend won't help either!

Erm, do we really want to know?