SGOTM6 - Xteam
- Thread starter mad-bax
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Yeah, there seems to be a bug here.. right after I drafted I would get the draft button on size 1 towns too if I used the arrow-keys after drafing 
Re. food, I've concluded that our primary objective has to be to maintain the maximum population growth rate in all towns - I like simple rules.
So if any city is not going to grow next turn I'll see if I can make it do so, or at least reduce the turns to grow, either by MM'ing or by pop rushing low food citizens away. Culture rushing will happen when the town's growth rate won't suffer too badly, or at all, by doing it.
At least, I think that's what I'm doing
So if any city is not going to grow next turn I'll see if I can make it do so, or at least reduce the turns to grow, either by MM'ing or by pop rushing low food citizens away. Culture rushing will happen when the town's growth rate won't suffer too badly, or at all, by doing it.
At least, I think that's what I'm doing
WillowBrook
Lurker
Sounds like a plan! 
I know exactly what you mean!!AlanH said:At least, I think that's what I'm doing
I keep re-reading the posts and trying to come up with a system that will work for when I'm in the hotseat. Good luck Alan.
I've reached 1110 AD - 5 turns on from where I picked it up. I'm happy to take it on to 1150 AD - another 4 turns, but it will take another day. Is anyone else itching to grab it, or shall I press on and deliver tomorrow?
FYI we are at 15786 + 751 cpt. We have a couple more French cities, and we are still weak vs Babs, average vs America ad strong vs the rest. Our gpt is small but positive, helped by a couple of lux deals. France will talk now, but doesn't have anything interesting to say.
PS. Our cptpt has averaged 55 over these turns, which is better than the target 48 to intercept tao. However, we need to keep an eye on the other teams. Peanut are about 5 turns ahead of tao's curve. We're winning the spamfest, though.
FYI we are at 15786 + 751 cpt. We have a couple more French cities, and we are still weak vs Babs, average vs America ad strong vs the rest. Our gpt is small but positive, helped by a couple of lux deals. France will talk now, but doesn't have anything interesting to say.
PS. Our cptpt has averaged 55 over these turns, which is better than the target 48 to intercept tao. However, we need to keep an eye on the other teams. Peanut are about 5 turns ahead of tao's curve. We're winning the spamfest, though.
DJMGator13
Still breathing
Feel free to play some more.
My only concern was people rushing their turns to try to play 10, but if you have the time go for it.
My only concern was people rushing their turns to try to play 10, but if you have the time go for it.
Tomoyo
Fate
I'm shivering in fear!AlanH said:
I agree with Gator, if you have the time, please continue. 
When I played Gator01, it got easier once I knew where everything was and what the status of the cities was.
Good luck, as I am with Tomoyo!!
When I played Gator01, it got easier once I knew where everything was and what the status of the cities was.
Good luck, as I am with Tomoyo!!
Very good.. as I expected the cpt increase got higher as more irrigation was completed, and more of the newly founded cities started growing.
In my HoF game I was doing 80 cptpt on average in the rush phase with same number of cities as we had at the end of my turns, but that was with babylon, and slightly better terrain.
Btw.. I hope you leave the single scientist working on electrisity.. we need it to irrigate some southern grass tiles)
In my HoF game I was doing 80 cptpt on average in the rush phase with same number of cities as we had at the end of my turns, but that was with babylon, and slightly better terrain.
Btw.. I hope you leave the single scientist working on electrisity.. we need it to irrigate some southern grass tiles)
WillowBrook
Lurker
No objections here - let the culture wars continue!
And the spam.
And the spam.
Good news here, we're up on Tao in total posts!WillowBrook said:No objections here - let the culture wars continue!
And the spam.
Although I know we've had more "visitor", or, better yet, "friends of" posts. Keep up the good work!!
Yes, I've been continuing with that, but we still have over 20 turns to go on Electricity, and we really need to have finished our main culture rush in the next 30, so I doubt it will help much.Gyathaar said:
OK. I'll post tonight.
Turn 221 1060 AD Preflight Culture 12609 + 462cpt
At war with France.
Run through F1. Check for rushes, optimise food/taxmen:
Put Ameins on a Keltoi diet.
New Verulamium - draft to pop6
New Augustodorum explorer->library
New Agedincum explorer->library
Gator's Point explorer->galleon->library complete
Resort Gyathaar galleon->library complete
New Sugusio explorer->settler
Tempus Novum explorer->library
Mohacs 2 explorer->library
Fine Waters temple complete
Beijing, Carthage - pop 7, but can't draft
Entremont library complete
Shanghai explorer->galleon->cathedral complete
Edo LB->library complete
Nanjing settler complete
Theveste disband rifle, LB->library complete
Tolosa 2 temple
Allegheny explorer->galleon->library complete
Nagoya LB->library
Hangzhou LB->library complete
Rouen explorer->library to reduce French pop to 1
Qianqin galleon->library complete
Tatong explorer->cathedral
Eboracum library complete
Burdigala explorer->library
Cataractonium draft rifle? can't! Why not? Exit F1, relaod city screen and now I can. Thanks Willow!
Gergovia: disband rifle rush harbour.
Carthage, Naigara Falls, Beijing, Qingdao draft rifles.
Skier's Heaven LB->library
Lapurdum settler complete
Nemausus LB->library
Switch Curovernum to Aqueduct to rush next turn
Caughnawaga temple complete
Sardis explorer->cathedral
Oiogouen settler complete
New St Regis barracks->harbour
Burdigala 2 harbour complete
Richborough LB->library
Mandalgovi explorer->library
New Entrmont explorer->library
Centralia disband rifle->settler complete
New Eboracum disband 2 rifles rush library complete
New Gergovia 2 disband rifle->temple complete
Eboracum 2 disband rifle, but can't complete library 'cos it's on fresh water - no galleon
Arousio 2 - disband a longbow for 10 shields and rifle to complete temple.
Build New Glanum 2, New Isca 3, New Segusio 2, New Rutupiae 2,
And so to war: At Amiens. There are four French rifles on mountains. 24 cannon knock 8 hp off them.
5/5 cav kills redlined rifle on hill near Hastings.
Reinforce Amiens to prevent flip.
IBT Babs/France sign peace treaty
French rifle stack retreats. French rifles approach Amiens and Lyons.
Entremont library->cathedral
Shanghai cathedral->university
Edo library->cathedral
Nanjing settler->settler
Theveste library->cathedral
Allegheny library->cathedral
Hangzhou library->cathedral
Ulaanbaatar settler->settler
Qianqin library->cathedral
Gergovia harbour->cathedral
Centralia settler->settler
Eboracum library->cathedral
Caughnawaga temple->library
Burdigala 2 harbour->temple
New Eboracum library->cathedral
Gator's Point library->cathedral
Resort Gyathaar library->cathedral
Fine Waters temple->library
Tolosa 2 temple->library
Arousio 2 temple->library
New Gergovia 2 temple->library
Resistance ends in Amiens.
Turn 222 1070 AD Culture 13124 + 515 cpt
Cannon redline two rifles and cavalry kill them.
Pop rush library in Amiens for 4 French citizens
@Poitiers:
4/4 cav takes LB hit, dies vs 3/3 rifle->1/3
4/4 cav kills 3/3 rifle->2/4
4/4 cav retreats vs 3/3 rifle, no damage
4/4 cav retreats vs 3/3 rifle->2/3
4/4 cav kills 2/3 rifle, redlines, promotes 2/5
5/5 cav kills 1/3 rifle, no damage
5/5 cav kills 4/4 LB, no damage, takes city + 44 gold + 2 resisters + 6 starving taxmen
Cannons redline the 4 retreating rifles outside Amiens.
@Tours:
4/4 cav draws cannon fire which misses, retreats from 4/4 rifle, no damage.
4/4 cav draws cannon fire, loses 1hp, kills 4/4 rifle->1/4
4/4 cav dies vs 4/4 rifle, no damage.
5/5 cav kills 4/4 rifle->2/5
5/5* cav kills 4/4 rifle->2/5
5/5 cav dies vs 3/3 rifle, no damage
11/14 cav army kills 3/3 rifle->10/14 and captures Tours+ 45 gold + 5 resisters + 3 starving taxmen and 2 cannon
5/5 cav kills 1/4 rifle in the stack near Tours and produces a Leader, Cunobelinus.
The other three redlined rifles give us two more cav promotions and no-damage kills.
Leader will disband for a university.
Build X Marks the Spot, The other place, Somewhere else
Quit to restart for a security update, and bed time.
Culture rushes:
Cataractonium draft rifle
New Montaguntiacum library complete
Nagasaki galleon->library complete
Cataractonium 2 temple complete
Nagoya library compelete
Sapporo library complete
Mountain Meadow LB->library complete
Niagara Falls draft rifle, galleon->library complete
Salamanca draft rifle, LB->library complete
Rivers Bend explorer to release some land
Carthage draft rifle
New Glevum LB->library
Paoting LB->galleon->library complete
New Lindum disband rifle, rush library complete
Eboracum 2 disband rifle, rush library complete
New Lezoux LB->library complete
New Arousio temple complete
New Mohacs disband rifle, LB->library complete
Curovernum aqueduct complete
New Nemausus galleon->library complete
Deva explorer->galleon->library complete
Lund galleon->library complete
Leif's Hideaway explorer->galleon->library complete
New Lugdunum draft rifle
Qingdao draft rifle, rush library complete
Xi'an library complete
Richborough draft rifle
Augustodorum draft rifle
Agendicum 2 explorer->library
Filnton draft rifle
Ise galleon->library
Isca disband 2 rifles->LB->library complete
Nemausus disband rifle, rush library complete
Kagoshima disband rifle, rush library complete
Transport two rifles to France.
IBT
French cav kills vet rifle near Tours
French transports approach our territory, escorted by ironclads
All the rushes complete. One turns out to be an explorer
Turn 223 1080 AD Culture 13712 + 588cpt
Catteraugus draft rifle
Hippo draft rifle
Richborough draft rifle
Tabriz disband explorer, rush galleon->library complete
Oil Springs library complete
Sabratha explorer->galleon->library complete
Cataractonium draft rifle
Augustodorum draft rifle rusg library complete
Gergovia 2 disband rifle, rush library complete
New Verulamium draft rifle
Beijing draft rifle
New Gevum disband rifle, pop library complete
Hovd disband rifle, pop library complete
Capiendum Cartheginis disband rifle, pop rush LB->library complete
Amiens switch to university and leader disbands to rush it complete
Richborough 2 disband rifle rush library complete
Carthage draft rifle
Hadrumetum disband rifle, rush library complete
New Durocortorum rush temple complete
Tsetserleg disband rifle, rush library complete
Lapurdum 2 rush temple
Ratae 2 rush temple
Dearest disband rifle, rush library
Hakodate rush library complete
Tempus Novum disband rifle, rush library
WillowBrook LB->cathedral to remove low food
Build New Monguntiacum 2, New Glevum 2
Near Tours: cannons redline 3/3 rifle. 5/5 cav kills->4/5
IBT India and Vikings sign an MPP.
French counter with two cav and a LB. Kill one 2/2 rifle in Amiens, knock hps off army in Tours.
Carthage riots
Buildings complete
Babs completes US
Turn 224 1090 AD Culture 14352 + 640 cpt
Rushes:
Draft rifles in Beijing, New Verulamium, Cataractonium, Richborough, Camulodunum, Filnton, Catteraugus, Hippo, New Lugdunum, Ningpo
Xinjian temple complete
Filnton rush settler complete
New Camulodunum library complete
Lindum 2 temple complete
Rolling Hills disband rifle, library complete
WillowBrook cathedral complete
Skier's Heaven disband rifle, library complete
Mandalgovi disband rifle, complete library
Agedincum 2 disband rifle, rush library
New Lapurdum rush library
Lazy Summer disband rifle, rush library
Akwesasne rush library
Matsuyama rush library
By The Sea disband rifle, rush cathedral
Yokohama disband 2 rifles and rush library
New Glanum 2 disband rifle for temple
Sapporo rush cathedral
Kaifeng rush library
5/5 cav kills 2/4 cav that killed our rifle.
cannons redline 3/3 rifle outside Tours and 5/5 cav kills him -> 3/5
Cannons approach Besancon, Fench capital.
Build New Axima 2
Net income has now dropped to 13gpt. Maintenance is kicking in.
America gives 17gpt for silks+WM.
Vikings give 15gpt for dyes+spices+WM
Puts income up to 45 gpt.
IBT
French walk into Lyons! Forgot to defend it! French transports seem to be heading home!
Rifle stack of 4 approaches Tours.
Turn 225 1100 AD Culture 15035 + 683 cpt
Bombard Besancon - 3 vet rifles and a regilar down to 2 hp. Conscript redlined. Destroy barracks. Conscript on top.
Knock ihp off each of 2 of the rifle stack at Tours.
Ship a settler and three cavs from the homeland. Build New Deva 2 to push back French cultural border and give acccess to Lyons. Lyons is defended by a vet cavalry.
4/4 cav dies vs vet cav->3/4
4/4 cav kills 3/4 cav, retakes Lyons with 3 starving taxmen. We've lost our cultural builds, but the culture border is intact. Start temple.
@Besancon:
4/4 cav takes a LB hit, kills 2/2 rifle, promotes to 4/5.
4/4 cav dies vs 2/3 rifle->1/3
4/4 cav kills 2/4 rifle, promotes to 3/5
5/5 cav dies vs 2/4 rifle, no damage
5/5 cav kills 2/4 rifle->4/5
5/5 cav kills 2/4 rifle->1/5
4/5 cav kills 1/2 rifle, no damage
3/3 cav kills 1/2 rifle, no damage
5/5* cav kills 4/4 LB, no damage, takes city and 70 gold with Shakespeare's, 3 resisters, 4 starving taxmen, 4 slaves
Outside Tours:
4/4 cav kills 4/4 rifle->1/4
4/5* cav kills 4/4 rifle->2/5
4/5 cav dies vs 3/4 rifle->1/4
5/5 cav kills 3/4 rifle->3/5
4/4 cav dies vs 3/3 rifle->2/3
14/14 cav army kills 2/3 rifle->8/14
5/5 cav kills 3/4 rifle->2/5 and creates a leader, Dumnorix
4/4 cav kills 3/3 LB->3/4
We're down to 33 cavalry. Still average vs America, weak vs Babs, strong vs the others. We have an elite knight. Upgrade him for 10. Consider rushing a few cavs in barracks towns during the pop rush cycle.
Ship Dumnorix back to the homeland to rush a University.
Rushes:
Carthage draft a rifle.
New Monguntiacum rush an explorer to improve growth->cathedral
Something easy to spell rush library
New Axima library
Shimonoseki library
Glanum 2 temple
Toyama harbour
New Noviomagus draft rifle
Curovernum 2 temple
Catteraugus draft rifle
St Regis draft rifle, rush library
Disband rifle in New Curovernum 2 for temple
Nemausus 2 temple
Hippo draft rifle, rush settler
Cirta rush library
Rivers Bend draft rifle, rush library
New Augustodorum disband rifle, rush library
Lugdonum 2 disband rifle, rush library
Chendhu draft rifle, rush library
Ningpo draft rifle
Mohacs draft rifle
Richborough draft rifle
Camuldunum draft rifle
New Rutupiae disband rifle rush library
Ulaanbaatar rush library
Beijing draft rifle
Satsuma disband 2 rifles, rush library
Camulodorum 2 disband 2 rifles, rush library
New Tolosa disband 2 rifles rush library
Cataractonium draft rifle
Ratae 2 disband 2 rifles, rush library
Fukushima disband 2 rifles rush library
Maunch Chunk rush library
Dumnorix disbands to rush WilowBrook University
Rush library in Tours
Rush temple in Amiens
France will talk. Would give one town for peace.
IBTAmerica offers ROP. Counter-ffer we can get 2gpt. We might as well, as he'll march through anyway. OK.
America founds a town on south coast of old France.
Carthage offers to renew ROP. OK. Babylon demands TM OK.
Builds complete, Palace gets a second floor on the West Wing nad some fancy embellishments on the front elevation
Turn 226 1110 AD Culture 15786 + 751 cpt
Resistance in Poitiers has ended. Rush a temple to reduce pop to 2.
Rush temple in Dijon
Resistance in Besancon has ended. Rush library to remove 4 citizens and close borders.
Ironclad sinks elite French galley
Rushes:
Catteraugus draft rifle, rush settler
Tokyo,New Novomagus,Cattaractonium,Richborough,Camulodunum,New Lugdunum,New Verulamium,Beijing,Ningpo,Carthage draft rifles
Verulamium 2 rush temple
Kazan rush library
Ta-Tu disband rifle, rush library
Alan's cabin disband rifle, rush library
Mohacs 2 disband rifle, rush library
Ratae Coritanorum disband rifle, rush cavalry
New Curovernum disband rifle rush library
Darhan disband rifle, rush library
Bay View disband rifle rush library
Augustodorum 2 disband rifle, rush library
Curovernum disband rifle, rush library
Deva 2 disband rifle for temple - just realised we can do this with 21 shields to go, and save a turn!
Glevum 2 disband rifle for temple
CArthage is suffering whip and draft unhappiness. Rush a cathedral.
Build New Lezoux 2, New Noviomagus 2
India gives 23gpt for furs, incense spices, wool. Deal
Sell WM around for 13+1+5+7+free artistry
IBT America lands troop on neoCarthage territory. France presents 3 rifles and a LB fo rour attention.
Turn 227 1120 AD Culture 16588 + 802cpt
Cannons redline three French vet rifles, elite cav kill them. Elite cav kills LB.
Rushes:
Draft rifles in Beijing,New Verulamium,New Noviomagus,Cataractonium,Ningpo,Richborough,Camuldunum,Nara,Mohacs,Tokyo,Utica,Fine Waters,
Monguntiacum temple
Middle of Nowhere harbour
Segusio 2 temple
Lezoux 2 temple
Axima 2 temple
Noviomagus 2 temple
Hakodate cathedral
Fine Waters library
Edo catheral
Curovernum 2 library
Almarikh library
Dalandzadgad library
New Cataractonium disband rifle for library
New Augustodorum 2 disband rifle for temple next turn
New Lugdonum 2 disband rifle for temple next turn
New Camulodunum 2 disband rifle for temple next turn
New Agedincum disband rifle and rush library
New Entremont 2 disband rifle for temple next turn
Durocortorum 2 disband rifle for temple
Choybalsan disband rifle, rush cathedral
Glevum 2 disband rifle, rush library
Agendicum disband rifle for settler next
New Mohacs 2 disband rifle for temple next
Lezoux disband rifle, rush library
Beijing disband rifle to complete settler next turn
New Agendicum 2
Ship a settler and two cavs over to France. Build New Arousio 2 near Bayonne. Move cannons and cavs to mountain next to Bayonne.
Build New Durocortorum 2
IBT American rifle killed someone in neoCarthage. New Verulamium riots
Turn 228 1130 AD Culture 17445 + 857 cpt
Drafts in New Noviomagus,Ningpo,New Lugdunum,Caractonium,Verulamium,Richborough,Tokyo,Utica
Rushes:
Caractonium settler
New Burdigala library
New Gergovia library
New Richborough 2 temple
New Verulamium 2 temple
Nagasaki harbour
Hastings temple
New Agendincum 2 temple
New Ratae Coritanium disband rifle to complete settler
New Lugdonum ditto
Richborough ditto
Nara ditto
Isca 2 rush library
Dearest rush cathedral
New Monguntiacum disband rifle, rush cathedral
Mountain Meadow ditto
St Regis ditto
New Gervovia 2 disband rifle, rush library
Tonawanda rush cathedral
Niagara Falls rush cathedral
Bombard Bayonne:
2 vet rifles to 3/4, 1 reg rifle to 2/3, destroy barracks, pop down to 6. It's on a hill, so we'll try again next turn
Build Entremont 3
We're at break even now (+1 gpt) with 5572 in the bank.
IBT A few more French LB and rifles show up for target practice. Richborough riots. New Noviomagus riots
Turn 229 1140 AD Culture 18342 + 897cpt
Bombard Bayonne again. There seem to be only two defenders, both are redlined by our cannon nad 2 elites kill them to take the town with 76 gold + 2 cannon, 2 resisters and 3 starving taxmen
Cannons redline approaching rifles, cavs kill them plus a stray LB.
Move some troops towards brest - new French capital, taking a couple of slaves to make room for us on the local mountain.
Load up 4 settlers to go to France and start filling in the territory. Build Mohacs 3
Rushes:
Drafts at Filnton,Ningpo,New Richborough,Mohacs,Tokyo,Shanghai,Utica,
Yokohama harbour (after 2 chops)
Camuldunum settler
New Verulamium temple
Grand River settler
Deva 2 library
Lapurdum 2 library
New Eboracum cathedral
Durocortorum library
New Richborough cathedral
Xi'an cathedral
Avignon library
Qingdao cathedral
New Eboracum temple
New Burdigala 2 temple
Noviomagus library
New Glanum settler
Allegheny disband rifle, rush cathedral
Pristine Peaks temple
Glanum 2 disband 2 rifles, rush library
Cataractonium 2 disband rifle rush library
Tolesa 2 disband rifle, rush library
Lazy Summer disband rifle, rush cathedral
Tokyo disband rifle for settler next turn
Burdigala disband rifle, rush library
England offers 22gpt for dyes. OK!
Sell WM for a few shekels. France has Electricty. She will give several hundred gold, or gpt, for peace. America has Electricity and will sell it for gold. As I'm about to hand off, I'll leave that to the next better player. India offers 19gpt for saltpeter+our map. I accept in the interests of our bank balance. We now have +29 gpt, an improvement on the -12 we were on before.
Note that we have gems to sell now.
IBT England complains becaause our cav killed a French LB on her back yard. Sorry!
America and neoCsarthage sign peace. Tokyo riots.
Turn 230 1150 AD Culture 19292 + 950 cpt. Didn't quite make 20K and 1000 cpt
Settlers positioned last turn build: Lugdonum 3,Camulodunum 3, Richborough 3, Verulamium 3
Build Gergovia 3, Augustodorum 3
Drafts in Filnton, Mohacs, Utica, Verulamium, Shanghai
Rushes:
Verulamium settler
Leptis Magna settler
New Ratae Coritanorum 2 temple
New Isca settler
Hovd cathedral
New Cataractonium 2 temple
New Lapurdum 2 temple
Segusio settler
Salamanca disband rifle, rush cathedral
Ruputiae 2 disband rifle, rush library
Agedincum disband rifle, rush cathedral
Eboracum 2 ditto
Chengdhu ditto
Rouen library
After action report
1. France. I've moved a stack of cannon onto the mountain overlooking Brest. You should be able to maek a hole in their defences. I've also put five in Besancon to give the approaching rifle a headache. We can, of course, make peace for cahs, but I think it would be tidier if we can grab Brest and maybe Marseilles first.
2. There are groups of workers on bare tiles ready to road, and some workers are stacked in sixes in forest in old Iroquois. The intention is that you can road the forests, then move additional workers in as you wish to chop them and then irrigate and rail. It's a few extra worker turns to road before chopping, but gives much more flexibility. I think I've irrigated and railed just about everything on the southern continent that is roaded, and replaced all the mines, but I do still find the odd mined grass as I search for food. You'll also find a few workers in odd sized groups finishing tasks.
3. We're still cash positive ... just! But we're starting to build cathedrals now, and the maintenance is going to sky-rocket. Please also not that there are several substantial deals expiring in 5 or 6 turns, all paying us gpt. we need to renew all that we can, preferably for more cash.
4. The culture rush has eased off slightly in the last couple of turns. I think this is because we're pumping out some more settlers, which is good, because we need more towns where we can build cheaper temples and libraries. We're almost at 1000 cpt, and the average increase in cpt/turn over these 9 turns has been about 55. We need to try to sustain this average, or at least 50. I've done a quick MM check on the towns, but please do it again, and look out for unhappiness. I've had a few riots.
5. I'm hoping I won't see this again. We should be done in about 40 turns. If anyone sees me volunteering for a 100K pop-rush-fest again, please just remind me of this turn set
[EDIT] Some towns are set for cavs. I was going to be selective about rushing a few to augment our reduced strength, but haven't sorted out which they should be.
The Save
At war with France.
Run through F1. Check for rushes, optimise food/taxmen:
Put Ameins on a Keltoi diet.
New Verulamium - draft to pop6
New Augustodorum explorer->library
New Agedincum explorer->library
Gator's Point explorer->galleon->library complete
Resort Gyathaar galleon->library complete
New Sugusio explorer->settler
Tempus Novum explorer->library
Mohacs 2 explorer->library
Fine Waters temple complete
Beijing, Carthage - pop 7, but can't draft
Entremont library complete
Shanghai explorer->galleon->cathedral complete
Edo LB->library complete
Nanjing settler complete
Theveste disband rifle, LB->library complete
Tolosa 2 temple
Allegheny explorer->galleon->library complete
Nagoya LB->library
Hangzhou LB->library complete
Rouen explorer->library to reduce French pop to 1
Qianqin galleon->library complete
Tatong explorer->cathedral
Eboracum library complete
Burdigala explorer->library
Cataractonium draft rifle? can't! Why not? Exit F1, relaod city screen and now I can. Thanks Willow!
Gergovia: disband rifle rush harbour.
Carthage, Naigara Falls, Beijing, Qingdao draft rifles.
Skier's Heaven LB->library
Lapurdum settler complete
Nemausus LB->library
Switch Curovernum to Aqueduct to rush next turn
Caughnawaga temple complete
Sardis explorer->cathedral
Oiogouen settler complete
New St Regis barracks->harbour
Burdigala 2 harbour complete
Richborough LB->library
Mandalgovi explorer->library
New Entrmont explorer->library
Centralia disband rifle->settler complete
New Eboracum disband 2 rifles rush library complete
New Gergovia 2 disband rifle->temple complete
Eboracum 2 disband rifle, but can't complete library 'cos it's on fresh water - no galleon
Arousio 2 - disband a longbow for 10 shields and rifle to complete temple.
Build New Glanum 2, New Isca 3, New Segusio 2, New Rutupiae 2,
And so to war: At Amiens. There are four French rifles on mountains. 24 cannon knock 8 hp off them.
5/5 cav kills redlined rifle on hill near Hastings.
Reinforce Amiens to prevent flip.
IBT Babs/France sign peace treaty
French rifle stack retreats. French rifles approach Amiens and Lyons.
Entremont library->cathedral
Shanghai cathedral->university
Edo library->cathedral
Nanjing settler->settler
Theveste library->cathedral
Allegheny library->cathedral
Hangzhou library->cathedral
Ulaanbaatar settler->settler
Qianqin library->cathedral
Gergovia harbour->cathedral
Centralia settler->settler
Eboracum library->cathedral
Caughnawaga temple->library
Burdigala 2 harbour->temple
New Eboracum library->cathedral
Gator's Point library->cathedral
Resort Gyathaar library->cathedral
Fine Waters temple->library
Tolosa 2 temple->library
Arousio 2 temple->library
New Gergovia 2 temple->library
Resistance ends in Amiens.
Turn 222 1070 AD Culture 13124 + 515 cpt
Cannon redline two rifles and cavalry kill them.
Pop rush library in Amiens for 4 French citizens
@Poitiers:
4/4 cav takes LB hit, dies vs 3/3 rifle->1/3
4/4 cav kills 3/3 rifle->2/4
4/4 cav retreats vs 3/3 rifle, no damage
4/4 cav retreats vs 3/3 rifle->2/3
4/4 cav kills 2/3 rifle, redlines, promotes 2/5
5/5 cav kills 1/3 rifle, no damage
5/5 cav kills 4/4 LB, no damage, takes city + 44 gold + 2 resisters + 6 starving taxmen
Cannons redline the 4 retreating rifles outside Amiens.
@Tours:
4/4 cav draws cannon fire which misses, retreats from 4/4 rifle, no damage.
4/4 cav draws cannon fire, loses 1hp, kills 4/4 rifle->1/4
4/4 cav dies vs 4/4 rifle, no damage.
5/5 cav kills 4/4 rifle->2/5
5/5* cav kills 4/4 rifle->2/5
5/5 cav dies vs 3/3 rifle, no damage
11/14 cav army kills 3/3 rifle->10/14 and captures Tours+ 45 gold + 5 resisters + 3 starving taxmen and 2 cannon
5/5 cav kills 1/4 rifle in the stack near Tours and produces a Leader, Cunobelinus.
The other three redlined rifles give us two more cav promotions and no-damage kills.
Leader will disband for a university.
Build X Marks the Spot, The other place, Somewhere else
Quit to restart for a security update, and bed time.
Culture rushes:
Cataractonium draft rifle
New Montaguntiacum library complete
Nagasaki galleon->library complete
Cataractonium 2 temple complete
Nagoya library compelete
Sapporo library complete
Mountain Meadow LB->library complete
Niagara Falls draft rifle, galleon->library complete
Salamanca draft rifle, LB->library complete
Rivers Bend explorer to release some land
Carthage draft rifle
New Glevum LB->library
Paoting LB->galleon->library complete
New Lindum disband rifle, rush library complete
Eboracum 2 disband rifle, rush library complete
New Lezoux LB->library complete
New Arousio temple complete
New Mohacs disband rifle, LB->library complete
Curovernum aqueduct complete
New Nemausus galleon->library complete
Deva explorer->galleon->library complete
Lund galleon->library complete
Leif's Hideaway explorer->galleon->library complete
New Lugdunum draft rifle
Qingdao draft rifle, rush library complete
Xi'an library complete
Richborough draft rifle
Augustodorum draft rifle
Agendicum 2 explorer->library
Filnton draft rifle
Ise galleon->library
Isca disband 2 rifles->LB->library complete
Nemausus disband rifle, rush library complete
Kagoshima disband rifle, rush library complete
Transport two rifles to France.
IBT
French cav kills vet rifle near Tours
French transports approach our territory, escorted by ironclads
All the rushes complete. One turns out to be an explorer
Turn 223 1080 AD Culture 13712 + 588cpt
Catteraugus draft rifle
Hippo draft rifle
Richborough draft rifle
Tabriz disband explorer, rush galleon->library complete
Oil Springs library complete
Sabratha explorer->galleon->library complete
Cataractonium draft rifle
Augustodorum draft rifle rusg library complete
Gergovia 2 disband rifle, rush library complete
New Verulamium draft rifle
Beijing draft rifle
New Gevum disband rifle, pop library complete
Hovd disband rifle, pop library complete
Capiendum Cartheginis disband rifle, pop rush LB->library complete
Amiens switch to university and leader disbands to rush it complete
Richborough 2 disband rifle rush library complete
Carthage draft rifle
Hadrumetum disband rifle, rush library complete
New Durocortorum rush temple complete
Tsetserleg disband rifle, rush library complete
Lapurdum 2 rush temple
Ratae 2 rush temple
Dearest disband rifle, rush library
Hakodate rush library complete
Tempus Novum disband rifle, rush library
WillowBrook LB->cathedral to remove low food
Build New Monguntiacum 2, New Glevum 2
Near Tours: cannons redline 3/3 rifle. 5/5 cav kills->4/5
IBT India and Vikings sign an MPP.
French counter with two cav and a LB. Kill one 2/2 rifle in Amiens, knock hps off army in Tours.
Carthage riots
Buildings complete
Babs completes US
Turn 224 1090 AD Culture 14352 + 640 cpt
Rushes:
Draft rifles in Beijing, New Verulamium, Cataractonium, Richborough, Camulodunum, Filnton, Catteraugus, Hippo, New Lugdunum, Ningpo
Xinjian temple complete
Filnton rush settler complete
New Camulodunum library complete
Lindum 2 temple complete
Rolling Hills disband rifle, library complete
WillowBrook cathedral complete
Skier's Heaven disband rifle, library complete
Mandalgovi disband rifle, complete library
Agedincum 2 disband rifle, rush library
New Lapurdum rush library
Lazy Summer disband rifle, rush library
Akwesasne rush library
Matsuyama rush library
By The Sea disband rifle, rush cathedral
Yokohama disband 2 rifles and rush library
New Glanum 2 disband rifle for temple
Sapporo rush cathedral
Kaifeng rush library
5/5 cav kills 2/4 cav that killed our rifle.
cannons redline 3/3 rifle outside Tours and 5/5 cav kills him -> 3/5
Cannons approach Besancon, Fench capital.
Build New Axima 2
Net income has now dropped to 13gpt. Maintenance is kicking in.
America gives 17gpt for silks+WM.
Vikings give 15gpt for dyes+spices+WM
Puts income up to 45 gpt.
IBT
French walk into Lyons! Forgot to defend it! French transports seem to be heading home!
Rifle stack of 4 approaches Tours.
Turn 225 1100 AD Culture 15035 + 683 cpt
Bombard Besancon - 3 vet rifles and a regilar down to 2 hp. Conscript redlined. Destroy barracks. Conscript on top.
Knock ihp off each of 2 of the rifle stack at Tours.
Ship a settler and three cavs from the homeland. Build New Deva 2 to push back French cultural border and give acccess to Lyons. Lyons is defended by a vet cavalry.
4/4 cav dies vs vet cav->3/4
4/4 cav kills 3/4 cav, retakes Lyons with 3 starving taxmen. We've lost our cultural builds, but the culture border is intact. Start temple.
@Besancon:
4/4 cav takes a LB hit, kills 2/2 rifle, promotes to 4/5.
4/4 cav dies vs 2/3 rifle->1/3
4/4 cav kills 2/4 rifle, promotes to 3/5
5/5 cav dies vs 2/4 rifle, no damage
5/5 cav kills 2/4 rifle->4/5
5/5 cav kills 2/4 rifle->1/5
4/5 cav kills 1/2 rifle, no damage
3/3 cav kills 1/2 rifle, no damage
5/5* cav kills 4/4 LB, no damage, takes city and 70 gold with Shakespeare's, 3 resisters, 4 starving taxmen, 4 slaves
Outside Tours:
4/4 cav kills 4/4 rifle->1/4
4/5* cav kills 4/4 rifle->2/5
4/5 cav dies vs 3/4 rifle->1/4
5/5 cav kills 3/4 rifle->3/5
4/4 cav dies vs 3/3 rifle->2/3
14/14 cav army kills 2/3 rifle->8/14
5/5 cav kills 3/4 rifle->2/5 and creates a leader, Dumnorix
4/4 cav kills 3/3 LB->3/4
We're down to 33 cavalry. Still average vs America, weak vs Babs, strong vs the others. We have an elite knight. Upgrade him for 10. Consider rushing a few cavs in barracks towns during the pop rush cycle.
Ship Dumnorix back to the homeland to rush a University.
Rushes:
Carthage draft a rifle.
New Monguntiacum rush an explorer to improve growth->cathedral
Something easy to spell rush library
New Axima library
Shimonoseki library
Glanum 2 temple
Toyama harbour
New Noviomagus draft rifle
Curovernum 2 temple
Catteraugus draft rifle
St Regis draft rifle, rush library
Disband rifle in New Curovernum 2 for temple
Nemausus 2 temple
Hippo draft rifle, rush settler
Cirta rush library
Rivers Bend draft rifle, rush library
New Augustodorum disband rifle, rush library
Lugdonum 2 disband rifle, rush library
Chendhu draft rifle, rush library
Ningpo draft rifle
Mohacs draft rifle
Richborough draft rifle
Camuldunum draft rifle
New Rutupiae disband rifle rush library
Ulaanbaatar rush library
Beijing draft rifle
Satsuma disband 2 rifles, rush library
Camulodorum 2 disband 2 rifles, rush library
New Tolosa disband 2 rifles rush library
Cataractonium draft rifle
Ratae 2 disband 2 rifles, rush library
Fukushima disband 2 rifles rush library
Maunch Chunk rush library
Dumnorix disbands to rush WilowBrook University
Rush library in Tours
Rush temple in Amiens
France will talk. Would give one town for peace.
IBTAmerica offers ROP. Counter-ffer we can get 2gpt. We might as well, as he'll march through anyway. OK.
America founds a town on south coast of old France.
Carthage offers to renew ROP. OK. Babylon demands TM
OK.Builds complete, Palace gets a second floor on the West Wing nad some fancy embellishments on the front elevation
Turn 226 1110 AD Culture 15786 + 751 cpt
Resistance in Poitiers has ended. Rush a temple to reduce pop to 2.
Rush temple in Dijon
Resistance in Besancon has ended. Rush library to remove 4 citizens and close borders.
Ironclad sinks elite French galley
Rushes:
Catteraugus draft rifle, rush settler
Tokyo,New Novomagus,Cattaractonium,Richborough,Camulodunum,New Lugdunum,New Verulamium,Beijing,Ningpo,Carthage draft rifles
Verulamium 2 rush temple
Kazan rush library
Ta-Tu disband rifle, rush library
Alan's cabin disband rifle, rush library
Mohacs 2 disband rifle, rush library
Ratae Coritanorum disband rifle, rush cavalry
New Curovernum disband rifle rush library
Darhan disband rifle, rush library
Bay View disband rifle rush library
Augustodorum 2 disband rifle, rush library
Curovernum disband rifle, rush library
Deva 2 disband rifle for temple - just realised we can do this with 21 shields to go, and save a turn!
Glevum 2 disband rifle for temple
CArthage is suffering whip and draft unhappiness. Rush a cathedral.
Build New Lezoux 2, New Noviomagus 2
India gives 23gpt for furs, incense spices, wool. Deal
Sell WM around for 13+1+5+7+free artistry
IBT America lands troop on neoCarthage territory. France presents 3 rifles and a LB fo rour attention.
Turn 227 1120 AD Culture 16588 + 802cpt
Cannons redline three French vet rifles, elite cav kill them. Elite cav kills LB.
Rushes:
Draft rifles in Beijing,New Verulamium,New Noviomagus,Cataractonium,Ningpo,Richborough,Camuldunum,Nara,Mohacs,Tokyo,Utica,Fine Waters,
Monguntiacum temple
Middle of Nowhere harbour
Segusio 2 temple
Lezoux 2 temple
Axima 2 temple
Noviomagus 2 temple
Hakodate cathedral
Fine Waters library
Edo catheral
Curovernum 2 library
Almarikh library
Dalandzadgad library
New Cataractonium disband rifle for library
New Augustodorum 2 disband rifle for temple next turn
New Lugdonum 2 disband rifle for temple next turn
New Camulodunum 2 disband rifle for temple next turn
New Agedincum disband rifle and rush library
New Entremont 2 disband rifle for temple next turn
Durocortorum 2 disband rifle for temple
Choybalsan disband rifle, rush cathedral
Glevum 2 disband rifle, rush library
Agendicum disband rifle for settler next
New Mohacs 2 disband rifle for temple next
Lezoux disband rifle, rush library
Beijing disband rifle to complete settler next turn
New Agendicum 2
Ship a settler and two cavs over to France. Build New Arousio 2 near Bayonne. Move cannons and cavs to mountain next to Bayonne.
Build New Durocortorum 2
IBT American rifle killed someone in neoCarthage. New Verulamium riots
Turn 228 1130 AD Culture 17445 + 857 cpt
Drafts in New Noviomagus,Ningpo,New Lugdunum,Caractonium,Verulamium,Richborough,Tokyo,Utica
Rushes:
Caractonium settler
New Burdigala library
New Gergovia library
New Richborough 2 temple
New Verulamium 2 temple
Nagasaki harbour
Hastings temple
New Agendincum 2 temple
New Ratae Coritanium disband rifle to complete settler
New Lugdonum ditto
Richborough ditto
Nara ditto
Isca 2 rush library
Dearest rush cathedral
New Monguntiacum disband rifle, rush cathedral
Mountain Meadow ditto
St Regis ditto
New Gervovia 2 disband rifle, rush library
Tonawanda rush cathedral
Niagara Falls rush cathedral
Bombard Bayonne:
2 vet rifles to 3/4, 1 reg rifle to 2/3, destroy barracks, pop down to 6. It's on a hill, so we'll try again next turn
Build Entremont 3
We're at break even now (+1 gpt) with 5572 in the bank.
IBT A few more French LB and rifles show up for target practice. Richborough riots. New Noviomagus riots
Turn 229 1140 AD Culture 18342 + 897cpt
Bombard Bayonne again. There seem to be only two defenders, both are redlined by our cannon nad 2 elites kill them to take the town with 76 gold + 2 cannon, 2 resisters and 3 starving taxmen
Cannons redline approaching rifles, cavs kill them plus a stray LB.
Move some troops towards brest - new French capital, taking a couple of slaves to make room for us on the local mountain.
Load up 4 settlers to go to France and start filling in the territory. Build Mohacs 3
Rushes:
Drafts at Filnton,Ningpo,New Richborough,Mohacs,Tokyo,Shanghai,Utica,
Yokohama harbour (after 2 chops)
Camuldunum settler
New Verulamium temple
Grand River settler
Deva 2 library
Lapurdum 2 library
New Eboracum cathedral
Durocortorum library
New Richborough cathedral
Xi'an cathedral
Avignon library
Qingdao cathedral
New Eboracum temple
New Burdigala 2 temple
Noviomagus library
New Glanum settler
Allegheny disband rifle, rush cathedral
Pristine Peaks temple
Glanum 2 disband 2 rifles, rush library
Cataractonium 2 disband rifle rush library
Tolesa 2 disband rifle, rush library
Lazy Summer disband rifle, rush cathedral
Tokyo disband rifle for settler next turn
Burdigala disband rifle, rush library
England offers 22gpt for dyes. OK!
Sell WM for a few shekels. France has Electricty. She will give several hundred gold, or gpt, for peace. America has Electricity and will sell it for gold. As I'm about to hand off, I'll leave that to the next better player. India offers 19gpt for saltpeter+our map. I accept in the interests of our bank balance. We now have +29 gpt, an improvement on the -12 we were on before.
Note that we have gems to sell now.
IBT England complains becaause our cav killed a French LB on her back yard. Sorry!
America and neoCsarthage sign peace. Tokyo riots.
Turn 230 1150 AD Culture 19292 + 950 cpt. Didn't quite make 20K and 1000 cpt
Settlers positioned last turn build: Lugdonum 3,Camulodunum 3, Richborough 3, Verulamium 3
Build Gergovia 3, Augustodorum 3
Drafts in Filnton, Mohacs, Utica, Verulamium, Shanghai
Rushes:
Verulamium settler
Leptis Magna settler
New Ratae Coritanorum 2 temple
New Isca settler
Hovd cathedral
New Cataractonium 2 temple
New Lapurdum 2 temple
Segusio settler
Salamanca disband rifle, rush cathedral
Ruputiae 2 disband rifle, rush library
Agedincum disband rifle, rush cathedral
Eboracum 2 ditto
Chengdhu ditto
Rouen library
After action report
1. France. I've moved a stack of cannon onto the mountain overlooking Brest. You should be able to maek a hole in their defences. I've also put five in Besancon to give the approaching rifle a headache. We can, of course, make peace for cahs, but I think it would be tidier if we can grab Brest and maybe Marseilles first.
2. There are groups of workers on bare tiles ready to road, and some workers are stacked in sixes in forest in old Iroquois. The intention is that you can road the forests, then move additional workers in as you wish to chop them and then irrigate and rail. It's a few extra worker turns to road before chopping, but gives much more flexibility. I think I've irrigated and railed just about everything on the southern continent that is roaded, and replaced all the mines, but I do still find the odd mined grass as I search for food. You'll also find a few workers in odd sized groups finishing tasks.
3. We're still cash positive ... just! But we're starting to build cathedrals now, and the maintenance is going to sky-rocket. Please also not that there are several substantial deals expiring in 5 or 6 turns, all paying us gpt. we need to renew all that we can, preferably for more cash.
4. The culture rush has eased off slightly in the last couple of turns. I think this is because we're pumping out some more settlers, which is good, because we need more towns where we can build cheaper temples and libraries. We're almost at 1000 cpt, and the average increase in cpt/turn over these 9 turns has been about 55. We need to try to sustain this average, or at least 50. I've done a quick MM check on the towns, but please do it again, and look out for unhappiness. I've had a few riots.
5. I'm hoping I won't see this again. We should be done in about 40 turns. If anyone sees me volunteering for a 100K pop-rush-fest again, please just remind me of this turn set
[EDIT] Some towns are set for cavs. I was going to be selective about rushing a few to augment our reduced strength, but haven't sorted out which they should be.
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DJMGator13
Still breathing
Good set Alan.
Do we need to hire taxmen in some of our cities or should we wait till we run out of money? Second question, how effective are markets in Communism?
Do we need to hire taxmen in some of our cities or should we wait till we run out of money? Second question, how effective are markets in Communism?
PS I've uploaded our 1100 AD save as well, to give a slightly smoother look to our culture curve.
Below is the detailed curve for the last 65 turns, turn by turn.
@Gator: Markets are already having a dramatic effect on happiness, and we may have to build a few more - I've already got a couple in progress. They multiply tax income after corruption as far as I know, so they'll multiply 1 gpt by 1.5 and round it down to 1. Certainly there's no extra cash coming from the markets we have. Every town delivers precisely 1gpt, plus any taxman income.
I've already been using taxmen. Anywhere I can create a taxman without sacrificing growth rate I've done so.
We have a savings account of over 5000 gold. It's probably good for about 15 turns later in the game. I've been staving off the time when we start eating into it, and we need to continue to watch it carefully. Another 15 to 20 turns should see us through the main culture rush, and then, once we get to a cpt rate that will take us to our target, we should probably switch back to Despotism for the final ten or so turns.
Oops! I've just realised I didn't reallocate a scientist in my last MM session. We should probably keep research going on electricity.
Below is the detailed curve for the last 65 turns, turn by turn.
@Gator: Markets are already having a dramatic effect on happiness, and we may have to build a few more - I've already got a couple in progress. They multiply tax income after corruption as far as I know, so they'll multiply 1 gpt by 1.5 and round it down to 1. Certainly there's no extra cash coming from the markets we have. Every town delivers precisely 1gpt, plus any taxman income.
I've already been using taxmen. Anywhere I can create a taxman without sacrificing growth rate I've done so.
We have a savings account of over 5000 gold. It's probably good for about 15 turns later in the game. I've been staving off the time when we start eating into it, and we need to continue to watch it carefully. Another 15 to 20 turns should see us through the main culture rush, and then, once we get to a cpt rate that will take us to our target, we should probably switch back to Despotism for the final ten or so turns.
Oops! I've just realised I didn't reallocate a scientist in my last MM session. We should probably keep research going on electricity.
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DJMGator13
Still breathing
So markets, as far as income is concerned, are useless. We should definately try to keep that big cash reserve until the late game.
It's late game now I suggest we use F4 *every turn* and look for opportunities for the AI to help us. France will give us an arm and several legs for peace for example. Specially if we beat up her current capital as well.
[EDIT] Every city we plant delivers one gpt, effectively paying for its own temple, so we can consider temples free, and should build them as fast as possible. I was waiting for the shields required to drop to 20, but maybe we should rush them as soon as we have a rifle to disband and a second pop point to rush with, even if we are wasting half the rifle. We could also consider disbanding some of our obsolete units to get a few extra shields out early.
BTW: Note that you can disband a rifle in a town that needs 21 shields to complete a temple or harbour, as there will be one more shield into the box in the interturn.
I suggest we use F4 *every turn* and look for opportunities for the AI to help us. France will give us an arm and several legs for peace for example. Specially if we beat up her current capital as well.[EDIT] Every city we plant delivers one gpt, effectively paying for its own temple, so we can consider temples free, and should build them as fast as possible. I was waiting for the shields required to drop to 20, but maybe we should rush them as soon as we have a rifle to disband and a second pop point to rush with, even if we are wasting half the rifle. We could also consider disbanding some of our obsolete units to get a few extra shields out early.
BTW: Note that you can disband a rifle in a town that needs 21 shields to complete a temple or harbour, as there will be one more shield into the box in the interturn.
DJMGator13
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Don't forget that we can sell off improvements we don't need, like barracks.
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