Sherlock - that tv series

[Kyriakos]

Watched two episodes of the first season (it is now on season 4).

I can't say i really liked it. Cumberbach is good, and maybe the tone fits Holmes (haven't read any of those books), but for me it was too comedic, particularly with Dr. Watson who seems to just be there to do funny faces.

In general, very tongue in cheek show, and the presentation in the current era makes it a bit absurd too (the "science of deduction" in 2017, ok )

-Have you seen this show- do you like it?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I liked the first series, possibly some of the second. Since then it's rapidly* disappeared up its own posterior.

*well, as "rapidly" as you can at the rate of 1.5 episodes per year.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I liked it very much at the beginning, but I stopped watching after Watson's wedding. It was already quite ridiculous and convoluted, but that reveal was the steel girder that broke the camel's back.

 

[Zkribbler]

I couldn't watch it. I loath classics which are converted into pop fiction. Cumberbach is a fine actor but he lacks the gravitas of Basil Rathbone.

The Horatio Hornblower series was also complete garbage.

 

[Kyriakos]

Btw:

Spoiler :

Is Moriarty the person in the cab in ep1?

 

[Ferocitus]

I couldn't watch it. I loath classics which are converted into pop fiction. Cumberbach is a fine actor but he lacks the gravitas of Basil Rathbone.

Many of the later Sherlock episodes Rathbone appeared in were awful junk, especially with Nigel Bruce's embarrassing characterisation of Watson.

I prefer the Jeremy Brett series to Rathbone's, except for the last few episodes where Brett was very ill and the scripts were tailored to exclude him
for much of the episode.

I like the latest series for what it is in itself, not as a modernisation of Rathbone's rubbish.

 

[sophie]

I agree. Rathbone: trash. Brett: best Holmes. Cumberbatch: pretty good. The show's great if you are familiar with the source material. Lots of really clever nods and references. Most of all I like the show because it's something with genuine artistic and tonal vision. The cinematography is excellent.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I love the show, and I think the comedic elements are perfect. I'm a sucker for British crime shows, though, I'm not sure I've seen one I haven't liked.

Btw:

Spoiler :

Is Moriarty the person in the cab in ep1?

Spoiler :

No.

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

I liked it very much at the beginning, but I stopped watching after Watson's wedding. It was already quite ridiculous and convoluted, but that reveal was the steel girder that broke the camel's back.

I completely agree that series 1 & 2 were fantastic, and I liked Series 3 up until the third episode. I think just about everything in that episode was a missed opportunity, especially how they dealt with Magnussen.

And while I think the show is still basically good, its quality in story and writing have markedly gone down, especially in respects to the growing wait time between episodes. (Trying not to spoil) Episode 4:1's story was waaaaaaaaaaaay too small world for me and completely shattered my suspension of disbelief. And in 4:2 I was very disappointed to learn that

Spoiler :

we had to go through the same Watson hating Sherlock subplot that was already done in Series 3

.

I feel that they may have fallen into a common trap that many other shows fall into; that the show runners have become too focused on "one-upping themselves" with every new episode rather than remain focused on telling quality, in this case mystery, stories with a slow but steady progression.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm, just saw ep3.

Eh...

Spoiler :

Moriarty is a circus clown with the most ludicrous voice impression ever? Ok...

Show lacks atmosphere. Can't really tie murders with humour. Just looks bad.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

Elementary is better. Jonny Lee Miller is a convincing tortured genius and Lucy Liu is a convincing insightful hot person.

 

[Ferocitus]

Elementary is better. Jonny Lee Miller is a convincing tortured genius and Lucy Liu is a convincing insightful hot person.

I liked the first season or so, but then the incessant moralizing about drugs became too annoying.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

I liked the first season or so, but then the incessant moralizing about drugs became too annoying.

Some of that works into narrative license of the writers, bringing the character from Victorian to present era. The original ACD Holmes was a practicing self-medicator. This was relatively acceptable in the era, as the drugs were legal and the consequences of extended use weren't studied or understood entirely, except of course in extreme circumstances. Flash forward to today, with a protagonist with a similar practice, the understanding and morality against the practice should make such an intelligent character averse, yet it remains a character flaw. I think it's ok the way it's portrayed.

 

[sophie]

See, that's why I liked that Sherlock used tobacco addiction in place of cocaine/opium. I feel it translates quite well stigma-wise as something that's viewed as permissible, but irresponsible and unhealthy in a, "cmon now, dude, really?" Kind of way rather than a, "you're going to tragically throw your life away!" Saturday morning special kind of way.

 

[Ferocitus]

Some of that works into narrative license of the writers, bringing the character from Victorian to present era. The original ACD Holmes was a practicing self-medicator. This was relatively acceptable in the era, as the drugs were legal and the consequences of extended use weren't studied or understood entirely, except of course in extreme circumstances. Flash forward to today, with a protagonist with a similar practice, the understanding and morality against the practice should make such an intelligent character averse, yet it remains a character flaw. I think it's ok the way it's portrayed.

I can understand why the bad side effects of some drugs should be considered by users. But "morality"? Seriously?

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm. I managed to watch 30 min of s2 e1.

What kind of utter ludicrous crap is this? :/

WTH?

Eyes rolling faster than Holmes identifies clues.

 

[Zelig]

Show is excellent. Modern classic.

I don't keep watching shows that I don't like, I have better things to do with my time.

 

[EvaDK]

I'm a fan. The characters are well re-interpreted for the 21th century. Scenes with Sherlock and Mycroft, attempting to outwit each other with snappy remarks are my favorites. Mycroft is a much more integral part in this series, than in any other Sherlock Holmes series I've seen. I like the Jeremy Brett series too. Have the entire box set on DVD.

 

[AdrienIer]

I loved the first two seasons, season 3 was not as good (especially considering the wait) and the christmas special was particularly awful (I'm talking about the plot here, costumes and depiction of the Victorian London was pretty good, plus the descriptions from the books were almost perfectly rendered on screen). But season 4 was particularly good, so I'm back to being a fan of the series.

The premise is that you have a Sherlock Holmes living in the current era. There are some things that have to be changed from the original character, but generally this is how you would expect a modern Holmes to be like.