well it offers new campaigns, in another era, so i guess its better than ikko-ikki in the same era, but we can only say its better after we have tried it, and its only playable in a few days
Shogun 2 Reviews
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well it offers new campaigns, in another era, so i guess its better than ikko-ikki in the same era, but we can only say its better after we have tried it, and its only playable in a few days
Gone 3 the Celt
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i don't particularly like the new TW games. I prefer Medieval total war and Rome to any of the new games..... or maybe i just hate steam
Elta
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Are you guys seriously not all over Multiplayer?
I've logged 200+ hours in multiplayer. It's awesome.
And the rise of the samurai introduced lots of nice balance changes.
I've logged 200+ hours in multiplayer. It's awesome.
And the rise of the samurai introduced lots of nice balance changes.
Maniacal
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Nope.
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In Shogun 2, as opposed to previous Total War games I've played, the units run by default when you move them instead of walk. Is there a way to toggle this? It's kind of annoying.
what kind of balance changes? i stopped MP because you always encounter ashigaru spam, and in naval battles its always cannon bunes and siege towers
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Well, I finally got it and it's very good. I really can't name a game with better diplomacy, and specializing your agents is lot's of fun.
The only thing that bothers me is the lack of diversity. All armies are practically identical with one slightly better unit.
There's also not enough randomness with character traits.
Now I don't want my Daimyo to randomly die of natural couses after two turns like it sometimes happened in Rome, but I wouldn't mind if a general who's idling in some far away province with a tavern develops a drinking problem
I would have also liked more options to specialize my family members as governors insetad of generals and a way for them to gain experience outside of combat, but we can hope thy'll do this with Rome 2 (which I think is a very likely game).
The only thing that bothers me is the lack of diversity. All armies are practically identical with one slightly better unit.
There's also not enough randomness with character traits.
Now I don't want my Daimyo to randomly die of natural couses after two turns like it sometimes happened in Rome, but I wouldn't mind if a general who's idling in some far away province with a tavern develops a drinking problem
I would have also liked more options to specialize my family members as governors insetad of generals and a way for them to gain experience outside of combat, but we can hope thy'll do this with Rome 2 (which I think is a very likely game).
The rise of the Samurai was worth $10 to me. The clan dynamics are very different and the build tree entirely new. There are lots of new small clans too. Better units like "foot samurai" are smaller (45 men).
The new map set for the regular games has some nice changes too. The "unfogged" map in the "rise of the samurai" is a big improvement over the original game map too.
The new map set for the regular games has some nice changes too. The "unfogged" map in the "rise of the samurai" is a big improvement over the original game map too.
RotS is good huh? Personally I refuse to buy DLC.
Anyway, I just got Shogun 2 and finished a campaign. The last TW game I've played was M2TW, and I have to say, Shogun 2 does do some things right. The campaign is a lot more focused now in a way, and it remains challenging throughout the game, even if the realm divide has its problems. Economy is balanced, and I wasn't rolling in cash anymore. Although its silly how big of a part of your economy trade is in the late game. After RD my income dropped drastically, so I started making those minor clans my vassals just so that I could trade with them (and I saw a huge increase in my income). In total, I found out that I could field maximum of about 2-3 full stacks no matter how many provinces I had. While I don't have too much experience of diplomacy, it seems at least possible, which is a huge improvement over previous TW games. I also like the province development system and the technology researching system (arts).
I suppose the downside to all this is that you can never get comfortable. Japan offers few natural barriers that are easy to defend, and the way economy and realm divide is set up means that you will (well I was) always struggling in a way. In M2TW, whenever my empire was secure and economy was booming, I used to start campaigns. I built one or more elite armies and started to conquer important areas (such as Middle-East, Americas). That endgame was what I was working towards in the early game and now it's gone.
Playing Shogun kind of makes me want to try out Empire. How are the diplomacy and economy in Empire? Are they similar to Shogun?
Anyway, I just got Shogun 2 and finished a campaign. The last TW game I've played was M2TW, and I have to say, Shogun 2 does do some things right. The campaign is a lot more focused now in a way, and it remains challenging throughout the game, even if the realm divide has its problems. Economy is balanced, and I wasn't rolling in cash anymore. Although its silly how big of a part of your economy trade is in the late game. After RD my income dropped drastically, so I started making those minor clans my vassals just so that I could trade with them (and I saw a huge increase in my income). In total, I found out that I could field maximum of about 2-3 full stacks no matter how many provinces I had. While I don't have too much experience of diplomacy, it seems at least possible, which is a huge improvement over previous TW games. I also like the province development system and the technology researching system (arts).
I suppose the downside to all this is that you can never get comfortable. Japan offers few natural barriers that are easy to defend, and the way economy and realm divide is set up means that you will (well I was) always struggling in a way. In M2TW, whenever my empire was secure and economy was booming, I used to start campaigns. I built one or more elite armies and started to conquer important areas (such as Middle-East, Americas). That endgame was what I was working towards in the early game and now it's gone.
Playing Shogun kind of makes me want to try out Empire. How are the diplomacy and economy in Empire? Are they similar to Shogun?
Maniacal
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Wait until the LDC goes on sale this month or next month (US THanksgiving and Holiday sales are huge on Steam).
I don't buy DLC out of principle, but I might consider making an exception if it's really good. Anyway, forgive me for my ignorance, but when are those sales going to be?
Maniacal
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Around US Thanksgiving and the winter holiday (and New Years) time periods.
Last week and a half of November, last two weeks of December (sometimes all of December).
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I have some slowdowns and crashes (older gen computer) but I generally agree with Birdjaguar's opinion here. My opinion comes from only playing the Rise of the Samurai campaign, though.
It has a nice balance of strategic options, most of which aren't completely obvious at first, so it's really a strategy game with a battle game and not just a shell for endless tactical battles. My one complaint is that success requires a large amount of planning (seasons worth) that the battles are relatively few and far between unless you want to throw away your clan-members. Building a winning army takes a lot of critical thinking regarding infrastructure, and not some sort of spam formula.
Diplo ran smoothly, and the AI really does help out. Once in a while, your AI ally might actually dominate to the point of being scary. The sea battles are fun, and probably the easiest part of the game, though not absolutely critical to success. The land battles are the challenge as the AI is not stupid and won't fall for silly feints. The AI will stare you down and dare you to make the first move, so you either need a very complex tactic or strategic superiority (usually better units and hopefully superior numbers).
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I just lost some respect for the game.
While diplomacy is very good, Realm Divide can be annoying.
But I get it, everyone hates the new guy who wants to be Shogun , right ?
Well, this game commited the mortal sin that instantly kills any semblance of immersion in a strategy game : different standards for human and AI players.
I was playing Chosokabe. Shikoku was of course under my control and I was busy conquering Kyushu. I had only a small foothold on Honshu: four provinces. Takeda was meanwhile ruthlessly expanding, but they ignored me since we had good trade relations. They had twenty provinces and were dangerously close to winning (I was palying short campaign). In fact, they had conquered Tokyo and claimed the Shogunate.
I didn't do anything about it sicnet hey had three huge armies and I had only one on the island. They passed me by and were moving westwards towards Amako lands. I said to myself 'ok, just two more provinces and Kyushu is mine. Then the Takeda Shogunate will have my undivided attention.'
It didn't escape me that there was no Realm Divide event yet, although Takeda had the Shogunate and 22 provinces.
It happened when I took the last city on Kyushu. I just got over the 'legendary' threshold and two turns later everyone declared war on me .
This really sucks. My army on Honshu was cruhed, the Amako betrayal completely derailed my plans when my main fleet was destroyed, and what followed was my angriest rage quit in years.
While diplomacy is very good, Realm Divide can be annoying.
But I get it, everyone hates the new guy who wants to be Shogun , right ?
Well, this game commited the mortal sin that instantly kills any semblance of immersion in a strategy game : different standards for human and AI players.
I was playing Chosokabe. Shikoku was of course under my control and I was busy conquering Kyushu. I had only a small foothold on Honshu: four provinces. Takeda was meanwhile ruthlessly expanding, but they ignored me since we had good trade relations. They had twenty provinces and were dangerously close to winning (I was palying short campaign). In fact, they had conquered Tokyo and claimed the Shogunate.
I didn't do anything about it sicnet hey had three huge armies and I had only one on the island. They passed me by and were moving westwards towards Amako lands. I said to myself 'ok, just two more provinces and Kyushu is mine. Then the Takeda Shogunate will have my undivided attention.'
It didn't escape me that there was no Realm Divide event yet, although Takeda had the Shogunate and 22 provinces.
It happened when I took the last city on Kyushu. I just got over the 'legendary' threshold and two turns later everyone declared war on me .
This really sucks. My army on Honshu was cruhed, the Amako betrayal completely derailed my plans when my main fleet was destroyed, and what followed was my angriest rage quit in years.
sophie
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I just lost some respect for the game.
While diplomacy is very good, Realm Divide can be annoying.
But I get it, everyone hates the new guy who wants to be Shogun , right ?
Well, this game commited the mortal that instantly kills any semblance of immersion in a strategy game : different standards for human and AI players.
I was playing Chosokabe. Shikoku was of course under my control and I was busy conquering Kyushu. I had only a small foothold on Honshu: four provinces. Takeda was meanwhile ruthlessly expanding, but they ignored me since we had good trade relations. They had twenty provinces and were dangerously close to winning (I was palying short campaign). In fact, they had conquered Tokyo and claimed the Shogunate.
I didn't do anything about it sicnet hey had three huge armies and I had only one on the island. They passed me by and were moving westwards towards Amako lands. I said to myself 'ok, just two more provinces and Kyushu is mine. Then the Takeda Shogunate will have my undivided attention.'
It didn't escape me that there was no Realm Divide event yet, although Takeda had the Shogunate and I 22 provinces.
It happened when I took the last city on Kyushu. I just got over the 'legendary' threshold and two turns later everyone declared war on me .
This really sucks. My army on Honshu was cruhed, the Amako betrayal completely derailed my plans when my main fleet was destroyed, and what followed was my angriest rage quit in years.
That actually sounds awesome. It's the first example of a non-ridiculous EB start rage-quit I've ever heard of! This makes me actually kinda want to get the game!
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That actually sounds awesome. It's the first example of a non-ridiculous EB start rage-quit I've ever heard of! This makes me actually kinda want to get the game!
It was actually a very fun game up until that point.
What pissed me off is, if Takeda had been a human player, the other clans would have ganged up on them long before they could conquer Tokyo, instead they ganged up on me when I became slightly too large (but still smaller than Takeda).
I should habe let the game ply out and see if AI players actually win if they meet the conditions (Takeda only needed two more provinces and I had enough weakly defended and accessible cities), but such was my wrath yesterday that I deleted all my savegames.
Patrick555
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Shogun 2 has a lot of advantages and disadvantages at the same time, but the campaign really sucks. I mean it's really hard to eliminate any faction even on the easiest level since the AI has been signficantly improved.
sophie
Break My Heart
Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. EB excepted (and that's assuming you choose a ridiculous faction to play as and set house rules), the TW games are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy, even on the highest difficulty.
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