Should marijuana be legalized for recreational use? (Part 2)

Should marijuana be legalized for recreational use?

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Elta said:
Legalization of what? Marijuana? Everything?
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:lol: Sorry, I was just thinking out loud, not typing fully. Yeah, just Marijuana. Everything? THAT would be scary.
 
Mowque said:
:lol: Sorry, I was just thinking out loud, not typing fully. Yeah, just Marijuana. Everything? THAT would be scary.
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It is a different subject altogether, yes.

I'll save it for another thread.

If the marijuana was legalized it would take a lot of he wind out of large scale drug traffickers. That way law enforcement could focus on things that are actually detrimental to health.
 
BasketCase said:
Same question to both of you: how much will legalizing COST? The damage inflicted on American society by tobacco is estimated at around a hundred billion dollars a year--or about five times as much as the nation makes in tax revenue on tobacco.

That's NOT a wise decision. The reason it was made to begin with is, very simply, because a bunch of our politicians (and many voters as well) are complete idiots.
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i should think legalizing would cost about 0.001$ - about the cost of a piece of paper :D

the damage inflicted is $100 billion? source please. also, at least in the uk, we make more money from smokers dieing than we do from their tax revenue. pensions are massively costly these days.


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a quick search of google for "damage inflicted tobacco $100 billion" revealed this:

Plaintiffs’ attorneys, on behalf of the state,
emphasized that smoking cost the nation approximately $100 billion
dollars per year—$50 billion in doctors fees, drugs, hospital bills, etc.,
and $50 billion in lost working hours and income taxes
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another said this:

....nation an estimated $100 billion a year, mainly in direct and indirect health care costs
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i am not entirely familiar with the way in which the american healthcare system works, but the bills are not unloaded onto the state but onto inusurance companies or the patient, right? so tobacco is not actually costing the nation $100 billion a year, its costing it $50 billion a year (if that) in lost working hours and income taxes. the other $50 billion is just being rearranged from the insurance/smokers pockets to those of doctors.

or have i horribly misunderstood the health service in the USA (my understanding comes mainly from scrubs, i will admit ;))
 
An article on the success of decriminilization of certain drugs in Portugal

"Drug decriminalization did reach its primary goal in Portugal," of reducing the health consequences of drug use, he says, "and did not lead to Lisbon becoming a drug tourist destination."
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Walter Kemp, a spokesperson for the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, says decriminalization in Portugal "appears to be working."
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The only ones in the graph
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I would even mess with are marijuana-hash and mushrooms. The rest of it I wouldn't try from first hand knowledge of being around people who do them. And what they tell me about them.

The central myth which shields our failed drug laws from challenge and scrutiny is that decriminalization or legalization will cause an explosion of increased drug use. That is patently false. A much stronger argument can be made that the exact opposite is true: that by eliminating the barriers of fear which criminalization imposes between the government and the citizenry, and by freeing up the vast resources which criminalization squanders on arrests, prosecutions and imprisonment and instead devoting those resources to treatment, harm-reduction and education programs, few things are more effective in reducing drug-related problems than decriminalization, and nothing exacerbates those problems more than criminalization. Once that proposition is widely understood -- and the evidence for it is close to irrefutable -- the central propaganda pillar on which the drug war rests will be gutted.
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BUMP.

Dawgphood001 said:
Nice way of saying that you have no evidence that pot smoking results in cancer. You haven't shown me a single documented case of a person getting cancer from smoking only cannabis
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Uhhhh.......actually, I did. In the previous weed thread. Some guy smoked 23,000 joints over 11 years and died of it (I figure that was around six joints a day).

And I'm pretty damn sure you didn't miss that link, because you were one of the people ranting and raving at me and going "God DAMMIT, BasketCase, would you SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!!!" (Well, here I am, bumping a ten-day-old thread. The shutting-up isn't gonna happen unless you stop replying. The only way to shut me up is to not post anything for me to pounce on.)

I did post a documented case, you did not miss it, and, well, we just saw the results: here you are all over again, pretending I never posted any documented cases.

Yes, such cases are extremely rare. But (again) you're ignoring the reason why cannabis deaths are so rare: BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL. You have to smoke something regularly to die from it, and illegal stuff scares most people away from using it regularly.
 
Uhhhh.......actually, I did. In the previous weed thread. Some guy smoked 23,000 joints over 11 years and died of it (I figure that was around six joints a day).
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died of what exactly, BC? You know, people who dont smoke anything still get cancer, including lung cancer. And some of those people die young, 11 years sounds suspicious.

and if yer gonna bump the thread, why dont you respond to the Portugal evidence showing a decrease in pot use after defacto legalization? Oh yeah, they're foreigners so they dont count. So why not research our history when drugs were legal and consumption was not higher, if anything prohibition has increased consumption. Nah, cant use that as evidence either, different time, different people. So we cant use actual evidence because your chicken little predictions trump reality.

where do communism and conservatism meet? The drug war...
 
This was the link he was talking about...

Yeah, sure seems legit to me! Hahahaha right...
 
I smoked more than 6 joints a day for over 11 years and I'm still here. I gave up (well apart from the occasional toot, again not for nearly a year).

I'd estimate I smoked at least 8 3x single-skinner doobies a day, every day. With no filter just a roach.
 
Nope, pretty easy, I just decided to stop one day and never bought any since (except on someone's stag night in Amsterdam).

I do drink a lot more now though, which iis probably a lot worse for my health :(
 
What if the real apocalypse is on it's way!!!!
 
I still smoke however which is the worse consequence of being an ex-toker. I only started when there was a pot-drought (I used to buy cigs and give them away before that because people were moaning about me never buying any :lol:).

Tobacco is far far more evil and addicting than cannabis.
 
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