Should US Citizens in Washington DC have a voting rep in the house of representives?

Should US get a voting rep?

  • No, they're too small

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Incorporate them into Maryland or VA. Then you don't need this silly additional representative.

Plus it gives Senate representation with ease.

As to "Yes, they are US Citizens" well so are people in Guam, PR, VI, AS ect ect.... The only difference is people in DC pay taxes that everyone else, not in a territory, pays. I must admit, I love the 'No Taxation Without Representation' across DC licence plates.
 
Like others said, push most of what remains of DC back into Maryland. Redraw the District lines to include only the Mall, retaining borders with both Maryland and Virginia, and make the President the only official legal resident of DC.
 
Like others said, push most of what remains of DC back into Maryland. Redraw the District lines to include only the Mall, retaining borders with both Maryland and Virginia, and make the President the only official legal resident of DC.

Several problems with this:

Shouldn't Federal buildings be part of this new district because most of them aren't on the Mall?
The Mall in it's most simplest form never forms a border with Virginia. Unless we count the Mall to include the river borders, new Maryland would surround DC.
Assuming the same as above (simple form Mall), the President doesn't even live on the Mall, he lives across from it.
Maryland sucks and doesn't deserve any more land, but if we must, give them Anacostia and NE.
 
The Pentagon is in Virginia (though the land it's on was part of the DC territory originally taken from VA if I understand correctly, but the transfer back to Virginia happened about 160 years ago, so it's rather moot), so I wouldn't think that every major federal building would necessarily have to be in the Federal District.
 
Several problems with this:

Shouldn't Federal buildings be part of this new district because most of them aren't on the Mall?
The Mall in it's most simplest form never forms a border with Virginia. Unless we count the Mall to include the river borders, new Maryland would surround DC.
Assuming the same as above (simple form Mall), the President doesn't even live on the Mall, he lives across from it.
Maryland sucks and doesn't deserve any more land, but if we must, give them Anacostia and NE.


The borders of the District could be drawn to move all residential areas into Maryland and leave as much non-residential areas in DC
 
The borders of the District could be drawn to move all residential areas into Maryland and leave as much non-residential areas in DC

Although it sounds like a good idea, it is nearly impossible to do in some parts.
 
I highly doubt that would work. Not only would you be breaking up DC the district, but you'd be breaking up DC the city as well. And plus, there would still be people living in the new DC.
 
Do you remember where you got this particular idea?

A Southern site for the new country's capital was agreed upon at a dinner between James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, hosted by Thomas Jefferson. The site was part of the deal that led to the new national government's assumption of debts from the Revolutionary War.[9] (The southern states had largely paid off their war debts; collectivizing debt was to northern advantage, so a southern capital was a compromise.)

The actual site on the Potomac River was chosen by President Washington.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.

i don't have all the references, but the only reason i ever recall hearing for Southern a rural leaders to want a capital outside of a major city was to keep it at a distance from centers of commerce.
 
Although it sounds like a good idea, it is nearly impossible to do in some parts.

The leave only Capitol Hill in the "district". the point is that it is unAmerican to have large numbers of Americans unable to vote for members of Congress. :rolleyes:
 
So what's wrong with just giving them representation?
 
No, for another reason.

The federal district should be abolished and the District of Columbia should be returned to the State of Maryland.
 
Several problems with this:

Shouldn't Federal buildings be part of this new district because most of them aren't on the Mall?
The Mall in it's most simplest form never forms a border with Virginia. Unless we count the Mall to include the river borders, new Maryland would surround DC.
Assuming the same as above (simple form Mall), the President doesn't even live on the Mall, he lives across from it.
Maryland sucks and doesn't deserve any more land, but if we must, give them Anacostia and NE.

Federal buildings (excepting the White House, Supreme Court, and Capitol Building) wouldn't really need to be inside the new DC. But okay, don't use the literal Mall, but just take the chunk of DC real estate that is contiguous, borders the Potomac (perhaps go across the water and include Arlington Nat'l Cemetary and maybe the Pentagon if convenient boundaries would allow it), and permits no legitimate residences save the White House and call that the new DC. Representation problem solved cleanly, logically, according to both US Constitution and precedent, and as near as I can tell would make everyone happy. That's an unusual combination in politics.
 
Why not make DC into an entirely new state of itself?
 
If for no other reason, it's pretty much a political impossibility. The opposition would just bee too fierce.
But is there really negative events that would come with having DC as it's own state?
 
Just copy us. We do it smarter on this issue, quite frankly.

Like the United States, the Australian Commonwealth is a federation of multiple states with a capital that exists within a separate territory distinct from all the states (Australian Capital Territory = District of Columbia but with a slightly more powerful government). The reasons in our case are essentially rooted in historical Sydney-Melbourne rivalry but the result is the same for comparative politics purposes.

We also, like America, have a variety of overseas possessions, territories such as Norfolk Island, the Antarctic territory, Christmas Island, the Cocos and Keeling Islands and, formerly, New Guinea, which are also considered territories within the Commonwealth.

What we have is a two tier system that gives territories different statuses -- Internal Territories and External Territories. The two internal territories are the ACT and the Northern Territory. ACT is an exact analogue to DC while the Northern Territory is simply an area that never attained statehood and is relatively sparsely populated. For most purposes they're both undifferentiated from the states, citizens pay taxes like normal, most functions provided by states are also provided by the two territorial governments (education, health, road laws, etcetera) or in some cases the federal government (the Australian Federal Police).

These two internal territories have members of parliament and their own governments which have less power than State Governments (most significantly, legislation can be vetoed by the Commonwealth as has happened with euthanasia legalisation in NT and same sex civil unions in the ACT). In the House of Representatives the rules for parliamentary representation are the same as for states - one district per X number of voters, districts have to be drawn to make socio-geographical sense. In the Senate each state has only two Senators rather than the 12 all the states have.

Norfolk Island, Christmas Island etcetera are defined as external territories with drastically less autonomy and voting rights and so forth. Even within these, there are differences as with the different colonial nonstates of the USA. Norfolk Island is the only territory with self-governance (and I think mainlanders need their passport to enter and don't have right of residence) while other territories are rolled into a parliamentary electoral district in the House of Reps.

It would be incredibly easy to simply define DC as an "Internal Territory" as distinct from all the external ones, and thereby entirely avoid the whole "why not Puerto Rico, Guam, Samoa etcetera?" problem as well as ending the farcical and anachronistic status quo which treats your own capital pretty much like a colonial possession.
 
But is there really negative events that would come with having DC as it's own state?
For one thing, it's too small. For another, the Democratic Party basically gets two free Senators, permanently, which would have a huge unbalancing effect on American politics. Absorbing DC (Except for the actual capitol building and so on) would be more doable.
 
For one thing, it's too small. For another, the Democratic Party basically gets two free Senators, permanently, which would have a huge unbalancing effect on American politics. Absorbing DC (Except for the actual capitol building and so on) would be more doable.

It's not too small. It is politically unviable.
 
It's not too small. It is politically unviable.
It's 4% of the size of the smallest current state, Rhode Island. And that state is so small only because it was around when the nation was formed - they haven't accepted states that small since then. It's too small.
 
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