Soviet Contributions to Modern world

[Maimonides]

Americans and British are the true masters of propaganda. The British even impressed Hitler so much that he chose many of the same methods, and like the British, who turned their population into raving anti-german fanatics, Hitler turned (many) Germans into willing mass murderers and warmongerers. Today, the same style continues, and Americans are dragged into pointless wars and deeper submission into state domination, and relinquishing rights and priviliges... All this is due to very effective media propaganda. But, true, many western medias have much in common with soviet propaganda, namely the Pravda.

Whoever taught you history needs to be dragged down a gravel road by a team of horses.

V-1 rockets falling on your house most likely made British anti-German propaganda unecessary during WWII.

The media is the current American government's harshest critic. Certainly the American public isn't doing much besides voting negatively in opinion polls.

He tried to make it look less bad by trying to make it look like he was concentrating against the Jews.

I don't remember Stalin concentrating persecutions on Jews specifically. Can you elaborate?

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

Whoever taught you history needs to be dragged down a gravel road by a team of horses.

V-1 rockets falling on your house most likely made British anti-German propaganda unecessary during WWII.

The media is the current American government's harshest critic. Certainly the American public isn't doing much besides voting negatively in opinion polls.



I don't remember Stalin concentrating persecutions on Jews specifically. Can you elaborate?

I recall that on one occasion following the war he blamed the people's misery on the Jews then purged them, along with everyone else...

 

[Alpha Killer II]

Jews then purged them
Well "Behind_The_Mask" If you are a so called "Communist" then u would believe Religon is Opiate of the Masses and that is the reason Stalin did the purges against the Jews and other Religous people

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

Jews then purged them
Well "Behind_The_Mask" If you are a so called "Communist" then u would believe Religon is Opiate of the Masses and that is the reason Stalin did the purges against the Jews and other Religous people

Then why not single out the Muslims or Chrisitians. Lenin didn't kill Jews or any religious people, he shut down their churches and temples and such.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS -
The MiG - Was probably one of the best jets around till the US started copyin the Soviet Designs

Which one? Most are sub-par jets when compared to American ones. The exceptions of course being the MiG 15 and the MiG 21. But as for the MiG 15, that's because it was rushed into service, unlike the F-86, which debuted later in Korea.

Now I was watching a video yesterday and it showed that one of the most hitted countries by Soviet's animated propagandas was USA,

horray for grammar school.

they showed how much racists they were,

Right, because the Soviets weren't racist.

and that one black Cuban Shoe shiner that questioned the ex-cuban dictator and died 4 it (well I think he died, I didnt hear him that good, too much background sounds)

So what does that have to do with America, again?

AND Ho Chi Minh was a good dictator I think, he had the hearts of the people, except for the corrupt South Vietnamese Government

Uncle Ho had the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese people because he was a nationalist, not because he was a communist dictator (I just love saying that phrase). The Vietnamese people have a long and proud tradition of independence. The only reason Ho went to the Soviet Union in the first place was that President Wilson didn't accept his offer in 1919, rather he valued French support for the League of Nations more than upholding his own idea of self-determination.

AND Fidel Castro is well loved by his people

No, that's because you'd get killed if you voiced an opinion against him.

EXCEPT for the Cuban Exiles that hate their own country

Right, and Everyone loves Bush, except for those damn liberals that hate their country, right? Not a very good argument.

AND Laos Rules =]

Nah, dood C4pitalism 4 teh WIN yo. It's da 1337.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Jews then purged them
Well "Behind_The_Mask" If you are a so called "Communist" then u would believe Religon is Opiate of the Masses and that is the reason Stalin did the purges against the Jews and other Religous people

No, if you're an indoctrinated Communist then you believe that. People who actually understand Commie-nism don't have to think that. I personally think religion compliments communism.

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

No, if you're an indoctrinated Communist then you believe that. People who actually understand Commie-nism don't have to think that. I personally think religion compliments communism.

So does this mean Im a good communist

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

So does this mean Im a good communist

Don't push it.

 

[Maimonides]

I recall that on one occasion following the war he blamed the people's misery on the Jews then purged them, along with everyone else...

Right, he purged a vast array of people. Some happened to be Jews.

Jews then purged them
Well "Behind_The_Mask" If you are a so called "Communist" then u would believe Religon is Opiate of the Masses and that is the reason Stalin did the purges against the Jews and other Religous people

Then why not single out the Muslims or Chrisitians. Lenin didn't kill Jews or any religious people, he shut down their churches and temples and such.

True, religious buildings & institutions were seized & shut down, but those were a part of several religions including Judaism.

Basically, I'm intrigued by the assertion that Stalin or any Soviet leader attacked Jews specifically. I've studied Jewish history extensively & never heard a hint of that. Trotsky & many Russian communists were Jews because they saw communism as relief from their terrible persecution under the tsars.

 

[cubsfan6506]

Okay, Im tryin to find out the Soviet contributions to the modern world, so this is all I got so far...


#2 - The fall of the Nazis - Russia brought down a great deal of the Nazis in World War Two, if they was never even in there (Like if they wasnt against Germany durin WWI so it wouldnt get Hitler all pissed off at Russia), then the Allies wouldnt have killed that much of Nazi Soldiers meanin that, there would be alot more secret Nazis in hiding around the world (old people tryin to pass their ideas to their children??)

#3 - Guns, such as the Ak-47 - They just kick ass, you gotta admit, from the 5MM Skorpion to the Classic AK-47


Anyone got any others???

2# Stupid most nazi soldiers don't support Nazi idealoiy.

3# Just stupid.


I will give you this though you kept us americans from turning evil until the year 2003

 

[Lone Wolf]

About Stalin and Jews:

Stalin was a bit anti-semitic in his late years, in the times of campagins against "unpatriotic cosmopolitians" and "Doctors' plot" campagin. (It is not a concidence that most of these doctors were Jews). And, well, you all know that USSR was fiercely against Israel (except for the very first years of Israel's existence, when Stalin hoped Israel would be a sort of Soviet puppet state).

Yes, there were Jews in the Party top in the 1920's. However, they never showed any preference for their nationality As Trosky said, "I am not a Jew, I am a Bolshevik". BTW, Trosky's father died in the times of Russian Civil War from some illness (forgot which) and his son just didn't care in the least.

AND Fidel Castro is well loved by his people

You know, perhaps he is. In fact, nearly every dictator is well loved by his people - a strange historical phenomenon. Dictators usually die in their beds - like Stalin, Mao etc. or get overthrown by foregin powers.

BTW, do you know that Castro's daughter escaped from Cuba to Spain? "This is not my banquet" - she said about her father's regime.

Overall, I have some respect for Fidel. He gave his people rather good health care, and, well, at least, people in Cuba do not have to eat grass, like in North Korea!

 

[ParkCungHee]

About Stalin and Jews:

Stalin was a bit anti-semitic in his late years, in the times of campagins against "unpatriotic cosmopolitians" and "Doctors' plot" campagin. (It is not a concidence that most of these doctors were Jews). And, well, you all know that USSR was fiercely against Israel (except for the very first years of Israel's existence, when Stalin hoped Israel would be a sort of Soviet puppet state).

Yes, there were Jews in the Party top in the 1920's. However, they never showed any preference for their nationality As Trosky said, "I am not a Jew, I am a Bolshevik". BTW, Trosky's father died in the times of Russian Civil War from some illness (forgot which) and his son just didn't care in the least.

Stalin wasn't just Anti-Semitic in his later years, he was always anti-semitic, as was most of Russia. The Bolshevik party had given the oportunity for Jews who joined the party under Lenin to advance, but once it became a Russian government rather then a movement in Exhile, advancement for Jews essentially stopped, even after Stalin's death.
It should be noted that Stalin, of all people, was a holocaust denier, and references to the Holocaust were not permitted in Russian school books or Russian official reports.

 

[El Justo]

first off - the west did not borrow or steal soviet jet technology. the west obtained most of it technologies from Germany at the end of ww2...or at least in the early parts of the cold war. and anything obtained was simply supplemental to what the Brits and the Americans already had in the oven.

so to claim that the west 'copied' soviet jets is completely false imo. and one can even go as far as to say that soviet jet technology was inferior in most regards to western jet engine technologies.

did the soviets have a knack w/ jets? absolutely. the MiG, Sukhoi, and Tupolev buereaus were top notch aircraft designers. however, they did not match the qualitative edge that the Americans had agaisnt them during this time. quantitatively, yes. but defintiely not in quality.

one area that i think the soviets actually led the world in during this time was the development of missile technology. anti-aircraft capabilities of the soviets during the cold war was tremendous and perhaps very overlooked by many military historians. penetrating soviet air space during the cold war was a huge concern for NATO. and the soviets pioneered the evolution of SAMs and that also translated into quite an effective space program.

the soviets also were the first to launch a ballistic missile from a submarine. of course, the quality of these boats were pretty bunk initially but they definitely mapped out the future of SSBNs and scared the devil out of NATO after the introduction in the late 50s (NATO code name Whiskey Long Bin)

soviet submarine technology was probably more on par w/ the west than any of their other military technologies. the introduction of the Whiskey class diesel subs in the 1950s represented a pretty big leap in terms of technological advancement. and the Akula class subs were beasts and greatly feared by NATO et als.

MBTs were probably the soviet's most productive contribution in terms of military technology. they had a wide lead on most of the west in this regard...probably up until 1960s and 1970s. the t54 and t55 MBTs were way ahead of the western tanks at this time. it wasn't until the leopard MBTs and the abrams MBTs came along that the soviets were even contested in this regard.

and lest we not forget vodka "straight up, extra dry, with a few olives please"

 

[REDY]

It should be noted that Stalin, of all people, was a holocaust denier, and references to the Holocaust were not permitted in Russian school books or Russian official reports.

I cant say that its not true, but for me its unbelievable...Where I should find proof?

 

[joycem10]

If it wasnt for the Soviet Union we would have never had one of the greatest WWF villians of all time, Nikolai Volkov. He is the man who singlehandedly taught me the Soviet national Anthem. When teamed with the Iron Sheik ("AMERICA PTOOOEY!") they made the true axis of evil of the 1980s.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

If it wasnt for the Soviet Union we would have never had one of the greatest WWF villians of all time, Nikolai Volkov. He is the man who singlehandedly taught me the Soviet national Anthem. When teamed with the Iron Sheik ("AMERICA PTOOOEY!") they made the true axis of evil of the 1980s.

This may be the greatest post ever made on CFC.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

Overall, I have some respect for Fidel. He gave his people rather good health care, and, well, at least, people in Cuba do not have to eat grass, like in North Korea!
Racist Bastard!

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

Overall, I have some respect for Fidel. He gave his people rather good health care, and, well, at least, people in Cuba do not have to eat grass, like in North Korea!
Racist Bastard!

Im willing to overlook Castro's actions at times but by god Fidel is an idiot...

HE ALMOST STARTED A DAMN NUCLEAR WAR!!!

He had an American plane shot down and by god I'll salute the US for not declaring war on Cuba and Russia and letting all hell fly loose.

 

[Head Serf]

How in the world is that a racist comment, Alpha Killer?

 

[ParkCungHee]

Because it goes against his Ideology. Advocating killing Jews for practicing their religion isn't racist, just pointing out facts about the North Korean regime.

I cant say that its not true, but for me its unbelievable...Where I should find proof?

I'm sorry, I made a mistake, officially the soviet Government recognized the holocaust, but in practice they tried to remove its unique targeting of the Jews. For Example, after the Liberation of Kiev the Extraordinary State Commision reported,
"The Hitlerist bandits committed mass murder of the Jewish population. They announced that on September 29, 1941, all the Jews were required to arrive to the corner of Melnikov and Dokterev streets and bring their documents, money and valuables. The butchers marched them to Babi Yar, took away their belongings, then shot them."
G.F. Aleksandrov, head of the Propaganda and Agitation Department of the Party's Central Committee, then made changes to it for public consumption reading
"The Hitlerist bandits brought thousands of civilians to the corner of Melnikov and Dokterev streets. The butchers marched them to Babi Yar, took away their belongings, then shot them."
You can see the original, and the changes here.