Soviet Union (Concept)

[Jarula]

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news...-a-Child-and-an-Adolescent-20190628-0008.html

Will post more links but you don't wanna talk about thinks because... You don't know what you are talking about...

Little known fact the Kulaks were murdering Commissars They were actually taking up armed struggles against the Soviets. They were even going as far as actually hoarding grain killing their own livestock.

They in the civil war orchestrated genocide against the people in the cities. Their refusal to bring food literally caused a famine.

Get your facts straight books are more useful than feet rests.

And heartless making sure that little kids in Petrograd Moscow Orenburg Tsaritsyn or Nizhy dont starve to death is kind of just...

Don't get me wrong not saying he was a saint but was a hell of a lot closer to one than you or I would ever be. There were problems sure. Sometimes innocent people got killed.

But in the US we were doing the same as with lynchings... Not to mention how many blacks have been or were wrongfully incarcerated.

Literally 7 million US citizens disappeared during the great depression... Even today 50 million Americans are starving right now. When was the last time you did something for a homeless vet or a homeless person in general...

 

[Hippie_Peace_man]

Here is Draft#6. I had no idea creating a Civ would be so complicated.

Soviet Union (Stalin)
UA: Red Terror
Puppet cities gain happiness like normal cities and gain +15% production towards buildings.
+50 GAP when founding or conquering cities for the first time, scaling with Era.
Earn Influence per turn with City-States from which you could demand tribute.

UB: Commissariat (replaces Chancery):
Special Traits:

Is available earlier than the Chancery which it replaces, arriving at Philosophy rather than Education.
2 maintenance (down from 3).
+1 Gold and +2 Production per puppeted or afraid CS.
+5% Production if empire has an internal trade route, additional +5% Production if empire has a CS trade route, and additional +5% Production if empire has a Vassal trade route. Bonus doubled towards processes and public works.
Grants a free courthouse if built in a puppet.
Courthouses and Counter-Espionage buildings in this city gain +1 GAP and +2 GPT.
Grants Promotion, "Red Terror," for Military Units in the city in which it is built.

Red Terror promotion:

May attack CS units twice, first attack costs no movement points.
Ignores CS ZoC.
+1 Movement if turn starts on continents other than where the Soviet Union started.

UU: IS-2 (replaces Tank):
Has more Combat Strength (75 vs. 70)
Starts with the "Overwhelming Numbers", "Formation I", and "Heavy Charge" promotions.
-3% production cost.
Never becomes obsolete, whereas the standard Tank obsoletes at Lasers.

Overwhelming Numbers promotion:

May attack units of a civilization with no ideology or differing ideology twice, first attack costs no movement points.
The loss of this unit will not contribute to war weariness.

Pineappledan, I took your suggestion and I modified it slightly as to encourage getting a vassal for that flat +5% production. However, I'm considering dropping the Commissariat's convoluted production bonus, in favor of a simple +5% Production for every Vassal. Also, should I rename the IS-2 to T-34, since that would fit much better?

 

[documental]

I think maybe everything is overloaded with bonuses? Idk. It has both bonuses to befriend City-States and to conquer them. Their needs to be a bonus for conquering them. Hell, what if you could make city-states vassals? and control their units... awesome

 

[pineappledan]

It's a long one:

Spoiler Foreword :

Okay, so first off, what you are doing here is effectively a new civ, but using all the artwork and component names from JFD's mod. So, while JFD might be totally fine with it, and I certainly can't speak on his behalf, it's my opinion that this is less adaptation/conversion and more remix/appropriation. I would caution against straying too far from a modder's original design choices and ethos when building off their work; there's a chance that doing it could hurt the goodwill towards the larger VP community.

Actually, if you haven't already reached out, JFD is still active on CFC, and pays fairly close attention to what's happening with the CBP. Perhaps you could ask him what he would like to see in a VP conversion of Stalin? You could get more info from him w.r.t. his design choices and the things he would most like to preserve from his original design.

Spoiler Critique of the draft :

Soviet Union (Stalin)
UA: Red Terror
Puppet cities gain happiness like normal cities and gain +15% production towards buildings.
+50 GAP when founding or conquering cities for the first time, scaling with Era.
Earn Influence per turn with City-States from which you could demand tribute.

My main complaint with this is that it's weak. The intimidation bonus has counter-synergy with the Red Terror Promotion. Are we conquering, or intimidating CSs? The bonus on Puppets is too small to mention, and yields on conquest are already on a lot of existing designs. Also the numbers on all these bonuses are too small. This UA would be barely noticeable. The Nubia mod also gives GAPs on conquest for instance, but a large enough amount to actually affect gameplay.

UB: Commissariat (replaces Chancery):
Is available earlier than the Chancery which it replaces, arriving at Philosophy rather than Education.
2 maintenance (down from 3).
+1 Gold and +2 Production per puppeted or afraid CS.
+5% Production if empire has an internal trade route, additional +5% Production if empire has a CS trade route, and additional +5% Production if empire has a Vassal trade route. Bonus doubled towards processes and public works.
Grants a free courthouse if built in a puppet.
Courthouses and Counter-Espionage buildings in this city gain +1 GAP and +2 GPT.
Grants Promotion, "Red Terror," for Military Units in the city in which it is built.

Probably the part of the proposal I have the least to say about. It looks fine, except I have no idea why it should come in Classical. That's super early, and I don't see the point in giving an early chancery when classical civs are too production-poor to pump out emissaries.

Red Terror promotion:
May attack CS units twice, first attack costs no movement points.
Ignores CS ZoC.
+1 Movement if turn starts on continents other than where the Soviet Union started.

Overwhelming Numbers promotion:
May attack units of a civilization with no ideology or differing ideology twice, first attack costs no movement points.
The loss of this unit will not contribute to war weariness.

So, an extra attack and a free attack are very different beasts, and the only way to implement that is by lua. This would be a somewhat computation-heavy battleJoined lua hook for a very small modification of existing extra attack mechanics. It would be a pretty considerable headache to code this, and could slow the game down a bit.
I don't know how you would implement the immunity to war weariness. There might be a way to do this, but I'm unaware of it. Sounds hard to do and, once again, more lua for a very small buff that would be hard to notice.

UU: IS-2 (replaces Tank):
Has more Combat Strength (75 vs. 70)
Starts with the "Overwhelming Numbers", "Formation I", and "Heavy Charge" promotions.
-3% production cost.
Never becomes obsolete, whereas the standard Tank obsoletes at Lasers.

Formation seems like a good addition, since the IS-2 was a heavy tank, primarily focused on an anti-tank role. They were all about spearheading larger advances, clearing bunkers, and going toe-to-toe with Tigers and Elefants.
Everyone seems to hate heavy charge, and I kind of agree that it's a questionable promotion that hurts as often as it helps.
The extra attack on overwhelming numbers would stack with Red Terror, so thats 3 attacks for only 1 movement. That's nuts. This is is also something I don't really think fits the IS-2. In my very cursory review of the wikipedia page on the IS-2, the rate of fire on the tank was its one main drawback. The IS-2 was exceptional because of its very large shell size, which gave it a serious punch, but meant it had a fairly small magazine size of 28 shots total. Furthermore, the shells were so heavy that firing the main gun took a long time, because loading the gun was so difficult. So why does its in-game version get an extra attack when the tank was notorious for its slow rate of fire?

re: your question about replacing it with a T-34. I wouldn't, personally. That's straying further from the original mod's design. JFD probably had a few reasons to pick the IS-2 instead:

• The IS-2 was a heavy tank, and Germany's Panzer UU is meant to play more like a medium tank, even though the unit model and icon are of a Tiger IV Panzerkampfwagen.
• The IS tanks are literally named after Stalin's initials (Iosef Stalin)

The Icon and unit model currently in JFD's mod is also currently of an IS-2 tank, so it's more work for you to replace them with appropriate art, if it exists at all.

Spoiler Original Mod :

Warsaw Pact
Enemy units may take extra damage inside your borders, or in the borders of allied City-States or civilizations that share your Ideology.
Earn Influence per turn with City-States from which you could demand tribute.

• +20% defense
• +15% vs fortified units
• +10% vs armor and gun units

Commissariat (Constabulary)

• +1 Production per Allied City-State.
• +1Production in capital per allied city state

Spoiler What I would change :

My Changes are in BOLD

Warsaw Pact
- Enemy units take damage when inside the borders of you, your vassals, allied City-States, and civilizations sharing your Ideology.
- Earn Influence, Science, and Gold per turn with City-States than you can demand tribute from
Hidden bonus ability: Can demand tribute from allied City-States

• +7 CS
• +20% defense
• +15% vs fortified units
• Formation

Commissariat (Constabulary)

• +1 Production per Allied City-State.
• 10 in City whenever your spies complete an advanced action
• +5 and to Courthouses in this City

Spoiler “comments re my changes” :

so the biggest problem I see with JFD’s design is that Stalin is far more a diplomatic autocracy civ than he is an order CiV, because Order gives no perks for having lots of allied CSs. This isn’t really a problem unless you like the role playing in civ though. What I tried to do was use the Commissariat to add some spy flavour so it synergizes more with Motherland Calls, Double-Agents and Cultural Revolution. I also added some Science to the UA and UB so a Science victory, Orders bread and butter, might feel more viable.

UA changes:
- I extended the bonus damage to vassals, which don’t exist in vanilla. I think this is in-line with simply incorporating VP mechanics into a vanilla civ, since there would be a noticeable gap in the UA’s effect without it.
- I added passive yields per turn to the influence for intimidation. Tributing is a much bigger part of gameplay in VP, and you have to have good reason not to do it. Passively intimidating a few CSs is pretty difficult, and requires a large standing army not doing much, so it really has to be worth it to hold off on tributing.
Lastly, I feel like adding the ability to tribute allied CSs is necessary because your ability to intimidate CS allies is disabled in VP. In order for the UA to work, the USSR has to disable the -100 000 modifier against intimidation that CS allies usually get.

UU: minimal change. The formation promotion seems apt here, since the heavy tank was used primarily for anti-tank fights.

UB: I removed the +1 prod in the capital for every ally because that seems to push USSR tall, and I don’t think that’s the intent. The +1 prod per ally in city is an easy SQL table in CBP, so it would be a shame to have a complex lua that does something 90% similar. As I said, the civ needs something to push it at least a little more towards Order, and make that iron fist/tyranny synergy less obligatory. The solution: a weak White Tower that can be built everywhere, and a little synergy with those free courthouses if you’d rather go Domination Order.

 

[Noob Fanboy]

+1 Movement if turn starts on continents other than where the Soviet Union started.

Like, really?. Red terror was used in the Stalin Period to suppress most of the original communist movement, and it was accompanied by the Stalin Policy "Socialism in One Country". What's the point of giving a attack advantage to someone who didn't care about what was happening to the world, even associating with some right-wing leaders? aka. Stalin Foreign Policy on the Greek Civil War (no support for the communist parties); Stalin Foreign Policy to Spain (killing anarchists in the civil war and then supporting "Democracy Restoration"), Stalin wrong approach to Germany (causing Hitler to come to power by putting communist workers against social democrat workers), he even called Imperialist Powers like United States and Britain (with a lot of colonies still) as "Friends of the peace".

Red Terror, after 1928, have more to do with political suppression of everything dangerous in internal politics to some selfish members of the soviet union communist party, including most of the original members from Lenin period. Something like a Police State policy from Autocracy is better for historical accuracy, maybe giving happiness to some building and happiness reduction from specialists.

 

[Hippie_Peace_man]

My main complaint with this is that it's weak. The intimidation bonus has counter-synergy with the Red Terror Promotion. Are we conquering, or intimidating CSs? The bonus on Puppets is too small to mention, and yields on conquest are already on a lot of existing designs. Also the numbers on all these bonuses are too small. This UA would be barely noticeable. The Nubia mod also gives GAPs on conquest for instance, but a large enough amount to actually affect gameplay.

Alright, I'm completely out of ideas. I wanted to make the UA and UB synergize, so the playstyle encourages puppeting cities to build them up faster and then annexing when they're finished. This is when the UB kicks in, since the city gets a free courthouse when built in a puppet. Basically, a puppet-centered Rome. The golden-age points was chosen to further encourage a wide, expanding empire. I didn't like the influence from city-states part of the UA, but I added it to buff the UA even the tiniest bit because I was told the UA was weak.

Probably the part of the proposal I have the least to say about. It looks fine, except I have no idea why it should come in Classical. That's super early, and I don't see the point in giving an early chancery when classical civs are too production-poor to pump out emissaries.

The idea is that it comes at the same time as courthouses. It is supposed to synergize with the "free courthouse if built in puppet."

So, an extra attack and a free attack are very different beasts, and the only way to implement that is by lua. This would be a somewhat computation-heavy battleJoined lua hook for a very small modification of existing extra attack mechanics. It would be a pretty considerable headache to code this, and could slow the game down a bit.
I don't know how you would implement the immunity to war weariness. There might be a way to do this, but I'm unaware of it. Sounds hard to do and, once again, more lua for a very small buff that would be hard to notice.

Alright, so I'll drop the extra movement and change the free attack to an extra attack. But that brings us back to problem 1, which is that the promotion is too weak. Any ideas?

Formation seems like a good addition, since the IS-2 was a heavy tank, primarily focused on an anti-tank role. They were all about spearheading larger advances, clearing bunkers, and going toe-to-toe with Tigers and Elefants.
Everyone seems to hate heavy charge, and I kind of agree that it's a questionable promotion that hurts as often as it helps.
The extra attack on overwhelming numbers would stack with Red Terror, so thats 3 attacks for only 1 movement. That's nuts. This is is also something I don't really think fits the IS-2. In my very cursory review of the wikipedia page on the IS-2, the rate of fire on the tank was its one main drawback. The IS-2 was exceptional because of its very large shell size, which gave it a serious punch, but meant it had a fairly small magazine size of 28 shots total. Furthermore, the shells were so heavy that firing the main gun took a long time, because loading the gun was so difficult. So why does its in-game version get an extra attack when the tank was notorious for its slow rate of fire?

re: your question about replacing it with a T-34. I wouldn't, personally. That's straying further from the original mod's design. JFD probably had a few reasons to pick the IS-2 instead:

• The IS-2 was a heavy tank, and Germany's Panzer UU is meant to play more like a medium tank, even though the unit model and icon are of a Tiger IV Panzerkampfwagen.
• The IS tanks are literally named after Stalin's initials (Iosef Stalin)

The Icon and unit model currently in JFD's mod is also currently of an IS-2 tank, so it's more work for you to replace them with appropriate art, if it exists at all.

Quick correction: the promotions DO NOT stack. The Red Terror promotion only applies to CS units and the Overwhelming Numbers promotion applies to civs with a different ideology.
I don't like your suggestion that I take JFD's civ and design and just adapt it to Vox Populi. As I mentioned in the OP, I was inspired to create a puppet civ that could still annex and settle cities, unlike Venice. I picked the Soviet Union, because that's what the Soviet Union did: puppet countries and twist their borders to make them as weak as possible so that they could not rebel. The part that I focused on for my design was the puppet part. If JFD does not allow me to change his Civ and repurpose it for new design (I cannot imagine he would be so petty), then I will either drop this altogether or I will just find a different empire in human history also known for puppet governments and restart from there.

 

[pineappledan]

If JFD does not allow me to change his Civ and repurpose it for new design (I cannot imagine he would be so petty), then I will either drop this altogether or I will just find a different empire in human history also known for puppet governments and restart from there.

As long as your mod references his, I doubt there would be a problem no matter what you do with it. ie. As long as his mod also has to be installed to run yours, you're fine.

 

[Jarula]

Why not instead a investment and building production bonus? It is ACCURATE...

 

[Hippie_Peace_man]

Why not instead a investment and building production bonus? It is ACCURATE...

Babylon already has that.

 

[Jarula]

How about something that decreases policy cost then? Or maybe something related to ideology.

The old Bernie Sanders mod had an interesting idea allowing a civ to mix and match with ideologies... Utilizing this the player that holds him in very negative regard can choose fascist tenets or high regard freedom tenets or simply flat out order...

Or maybe each level 1 tenet does something like let's say +2% towards buildings each level 2 tenet +1% culture each level 3 tenet +1% tourism?

The way you would do that is a tenet count .lua...

The way it stands he is demonized more than Hitler... A person who would have people tossed in ovens over not even saying or doing something but simply being born the wrong ethnicity...

The focus on city states seems kind of impractical. All the Warsaw Pact did have their own choices in the Stalin era. Many of the leaders of the satellites were hero partisans who fought against the Nazis. (They weren't factually Soviet stooges). They were leaders in a struggle on ideology.

After all Enver fought on the front lines... So did Tito so did most of the Communist leaders they weren't Russian spies werent Russian plants but homegrown heros fighting and dying for a better world. Heros like Envers brother in law who lost his life jumping on a tank and destroying it sacrificing his life in the process. Even the Uzbek fist fighter who was purged and placed in a Soviet last chance platoon after defeating 70 Nazis singlehandedly he became a national hero a writer and even a Central Committee member.

(For example in Albania beforehand they had the highest infant mortality rate in Europe and less than 100 doctors in the entire country...) So many women got their chance to give birth in hospitals and even not die in the process of having a child. Little kids who were sons of farmers had the chance to become government officials teachers doctors scientists go to school even fall in love have little kids of their own not die at 2 or 5. Mother's not have to hold a newborn that they carried for nine months and scream to god why oh why as he dies at less than a year of age. (We have different concepts of cruelty I think personally the greatest kindnesses and joys in life are getting to hold someone you love close. Hold them close to you. The chance to watch children play in the park happy hold your own help them with projects, a nice romantic evening with a wife, playing a board or card game with kids or friends yada yada). 70% of people wouldn't Right now hold I'm in such high acclaim and 70% the Soviet Union in general if those pleasures in life were stolen from them.

In fact look it up the popular vote on the dissolution of the Soviet Union. 70% in Russia wanted it to remain and 90% in the Stans... Would you rather sell your soul for a mansion or a million dollars a new iPhone or rather so those around you can live so your wife won't die in Childbirth like Stalin's wife did so your kids can be happy and not die at 5 or 10. Is justice only when it benefits you or when objectively it is actually just...

 

[Noob Fanboy]

In fact look it up the popular vote on the dissolution of the Soviet Union. 70% in Russia wanted it to remain and 90% in the Stans... Would you rather sell your soul for a mansion or a million dollars a new iPhone or rather so those around you can live so your wife won't die in Childbirth like Stalin's wife did so your kids can be happy and not die at 5 or 10. Is justice only when it benefits you or when objectively it is actually just...

Understanding the Soviet Union implies going beyond the Cold War propaganda from both sides, it requires to understand the complex process of social revolution between 1905 and 1930, it requires to understand the struggle between the different social groups. Stalin wasn't "evil", neither were Hitler or other fascists leaders, they were people responding to specific class interests: Hitler was responding to the interests of capitalists (foreign capital aka. big banks,big owners of factories, big land owners), Stalin was responding to the interests of a newly born national burocracy (party members of the communist party interested in very high salaries, sons of the kulaks, corrupt state members, etc), Mussolini was responding to the interests of foreign capital too, religious authority (let's remember, Vaticano was in Hitler side during the World War).

Stalin wasn't a good boy neither, like you said, he was the product of the social degradation of the soviet union, produced by the physical and ideological extermination of all original Lenin comrades, along with all their supporters (he killed nearly all original members of the Central Committee of the Communist Party from 1917, and he killed most of the original leaders of the red army, leaving a big sign of weakness to Hitler to invade the country)

Going back to the original thread, if you want a imperialist power with a lot of colonies, it's better to rework England.

 

[Hippie_Peace_man]

How about something that decreases policy cost then? Or maybe something related to ideology.

The old Bernie Sanders mod had an interesting idea allowing a civ to mix and match with ideologies... Utilizing this the player that holds him in very negative regard can choose fascist tenets or high regard freedom tenets or simply flat out order...

Or maybe each level 1 tenet does something like let's say +2% towards buildings each level 2 tenet +1% culture each level 3 tenet +1% tourism?

The way you would do that is a tenet count .lua...

The way it stands he is demonized more than Hitler... A person who would have people tossed in ovens over not even saying or doing something but simply being born the wrong ethnicity...

The focus on city states seems kind of impractical. All the Warsaw Pact did have their own choices in the Stalin era. Many of the leaders of the satellites were hero partisans who fought against the Nazis. (They weren't factually Soviet stooges). They were leaders in a struggle on ideology.

After all Enver fought on the front lines... So did Tito so did most of the Communist leaders they weren't Russian spies werent Russian plants but homegrown heros fighting and dying for a better world. Heros like Envers brother in law who lost his life jumping on a tank and destroying it sacrificing his life in the process. Even the Uzbek fist fighter who was purged and placed in a Soviet last chance platoon after defeating 70 Nazis singlehandedly he became a national hero a writer and even a Central Committee member.

(For example in Albania beforehand they had the highest infant mortality rate in Europe and less than 100 doctors in the entire country...) So many women got their chance to give birth in hospitals and even not die in the process of having a child. Little kids who were sons of farmers had the chance to become government officials teachers doctors scientists go to school even fall in love have little kids of their own not die at 2 or 5. Mother's not have to hold a newborn that they carried for nine months and scream to god why oh why as he dies at less than a year of age. (We have different concepts of cruelty I think personally the greatest kindnesses and joys in life are getting to hold someone you love close. Hold them close to you. The chance to watch children play in the park happy hold your own help them with projects, a nice romantic evening with a wife, playing a board or card game with kids or friends yada yada). 70% of people wouldn't Right now hold I'm in such high acclaim and 70% the Soviet Union in general if those pleasures in life were stolen from them.

In fact look it up the popular vote on the dissolution of the Soviet Union. 70% in Russia wanted it to remain and 90% in the Stans... Would you rather sell your soul for a mansion or a million dollars a new iPhone or rather so those around you can live so your wife won't die in Childbirth like Stalin's wife did so your kids can be happy and not die at 5 or 10. Is justice only when it benefits you or when objectively it is actually just...

Please
Stop
Bringing
Up
Politics
Go
Away

 

[Jarula]

This is politics! You chose a political leader not a king or queen then chose to slander his legacy. His legacy is million upon millions of people ALIVE that wouldn't have been... Millions of people that got a chance to go to school millions of kids who didn't die at 5 or 6...

 

[Noob Fanboy]

Please
Stop
Bringing
Up
Politics
Go
Away

You can't hope to make a Soviet Union mod without speaking about politics, mostly because your understanding of the Red Terror is based on a lot of preconceptions from the Cold War propaganda about what happened in that specific period of time.

 

[Jarula]

Understanding the Soviet Union implies going beyond the Cold War propaganda from both sides, it requires to understand the complex process of social revolution between 1905 and 1930, it requires to understand the struggle between the different social groups. Stalin wasn't "evil", neither were Hitler or other fascists leaders, they were people responding to specific class interests: Hitler was responding to the interests of capitalists (foreign capital aka. big banks,big owners of factories, big land owners), Stalin was responding to the interests of a newly born national burocracy (party members of the communist party interested in very high salaries, sons of the kulaks, corrupt state members, etc), Mussolini was responding to the interests of foreign capital too, religious authority (let's remember, Vaticano was in Hitler side during the World War).

Stalin wasn't a good boy neither, like you said, he was the product of the social degradation of the soviet union, produced by the physical and ideological extermination of all original Lenin comrades, along with all their supporters (he killed nearly all original members of the Central Committee of the Communist Party from 1917, and he killed most of the original leaders of the red army, leaving a big sign of weakness to Hitler to invade the country)

Going back to the original thread, if you want a imperialist power with a lot of colonies, it's better to rework England.

You are wrong on quite a few things. You talk about "corrupt ogliarchy" that really wasn't so much in the Stalin Era... Origional CC members Molotov Kalinin was still there. Yeah he played the power game but so did Trotsky and Bukharin. If the strength of a movement is only its original leadership its not a real movement. Purges didn't always get the right people sometimes it did especially when talking about Trotsky.

You judge leaders based on the effect on the citizenry the common man. The effects of Stalin and the Revolution was a better country to live in better quality of life better health better schools huge scientific progress from literally the invention of pediatrics to Sputnik and even ending the cycle of periodic famines afflicting the Russian empire through collectivization.

Did Stalin deserve credit for all of it... No... He didn't invent x or y. He didn't save millions of lives with administering medical care but he pushed through heroic initiatives and led the Soviet people to fight off the Nazi war machine.

Likely I lost relatives at Karyn where he ordered 30,000 polish army officers executed BUT compare that to the 3,000,000+ polish murdered by the Nazis... He literally ordered Soviet forces to go out of their way to liberate the concentration camps. Not bad for a person who didn't like jews (his children married Jews...)

 

[Hippie_Peace_man]

Here is draft#7. I have buffed golden age points earned from conquering and settling cities, simplified some things for the purposes of coding, and improved synergy.

Soviet Union (Stalin)
UA: Red Terror
Puppet cities gain happiness like normal cities and gain +15% production towards buildings.
+125 GAP when founding or conquering cities for the first time, scaling with Era.
A Golden Age begins when you conquer a city-state for the first time and city-states will not grow weary.

UB: Commissariat (replaces Chancery):
Special Traits:

Is available earlier than the Chancery which it replaces, arriving at Philosophy rather than Education.
2 maintenance (down from 3).
+1 Gold and +2 Production per puppeted or afraid CS.
+5% Production for each Vassal the Civilization possesses. Bonus doubled towards processes and public works.
Grants a free courthouse if built in a puppet.
Courthouses and Counter-Espionage buildings in this city gain +1 GAP and +2 GPT.
Grants Promotion, "Red Terror," for Military Units in the city in which it is built.

Red Terror promotion:

Gain an extra attack against CS units.
Ignores CS ZoC.

UU: IS-2 (replaces Tank):
Has more Combat Strength (75 vs. 70)
Starts with the "Formation I" promotion.
-3% production cost.
Never becomes obsolete, whereas the standard Tank obsoletes at Lasers.

 

[Jarula]

Maybe the IS2 should get more in the way of promotions and less combat strength as Soviet tanks post the IS2 were megabeast still.

And the golden age thing makes some sense but it neglects the fact that Soviets had a lot of progress beforehand from 1926 to 1935 if it would be possible maybe golden age points for building construction or culture and production from the construction of a building.

Golden age points from conquest completely ignores the huge gains achieved before WW2 and the massive amount of struggle to recover from WW2 (even today there is 12% more women than men in Russia from the massive amount of casualties literally in Stalingrad, which was named after him because in the civil war he ignored direct commands trying to protect the civilians when the whites were slaughtering down to the last man woman and child, as many people died in that one battle in WW2 than in entirety of the US participation of the war... Like the battle of Pavlov's house where Pavlov and his men heroically held off the Nazis for months inside a single house until reinforcements arrived)

The red terror promotion does feel accurate historically as Stalin never really attacked a country. The only real war you could hypothetically call that was Finland where the Soviets got their asses kicked BAAAD.

 

[a1nosugar]

You can't hope to make a Soviet Union mod without speaking about politics,

In which case, would it be worth discussing a nazi Germany civ to go with the ussr? I mean to get all the politics in one thread (sorry if this is a hijack), with a view to making a ww2 scenario?

 

[Hippie_Peace_man]

In which case, would it be worth discussing a nazi Germany civ to go with the ussr? I mean to get all the politics in one thread (sorry if this is a hijack), with a view to making a ww2 scenario?

If you guys are interested in making a nazi germany civ (not me) then I have an interesting UA suggestion for you guys to start with:
UA: Blitzkrieg
Upon taking a city, all mounted and armored units are partially healed, gain an additional turn's worth of movement points, and may attack again in the same turn.
Mounted and armored units have no penalty towards attack cities and may trade their movement points with friendly units, even allowing friendly units to move after attacking.
Armored units gain +1 movement and ignore ZOC.

 

[Jarula]

Good ua... A decent alternate for Nazi Germany upon constructing a improvement culture science... Signifying the way the Nazis got germany out of the great depression.

Can break peace treaties and when they do combat buff on attack.

And the first part of the prior one. Or each great general born during a war increases units on the production by 5% science by 5% and in foreign lands by 5%

UU storm trooper huge buff towards great generals can construct concentration camps each concentration camp improves happiness in Germany's cities and gold by 2/5% each turn a German puppet or annexed city with a courthouse loses 1 citizen. Destroyed upon pillage and when pillaged grants a hero promotion to the unit and a unique resource called hero to the civ.

UW Reichstag replaces palace...

Upon adoption of an ideology grants wicked bonuses.