Spanking law in Canada confirmed by suprem court.

[Tassadar]

OTTAWA - Canada's top court has upheld a law allowing parents to spank their children, but also set guidelines outlining "reasonable limits" to the act.

In a 6-3 decision, the Supreme Court of Canada refused to repeal Section 43 of the Criminal Code that allows parents and school teachers to physically discipline children in their care by using "reasonable" force.

In its decision Friday, the court ruled that reasonable corrective force can be used against children between the ages of two and 12 years old.

The court said it was unacceptable to hit a child with an object, like a belt or paddle. Blows and slaps to the child's head would also be unacceptable.

For corporal punishment to be legally acceptable, it must involve only "minor corrective force of a transitory and trifling nature," the court ruled.

More:http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/30/spanking040130

And:http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/spanking/index.html


I dont agree with them, spanking kid is age discrimination, if you cant spank an adult you shouldnt spank kid either IMO.

I also think the judges didnt make it illegal just to avoid many case of family problem mixed with police and court. Child protection are already too much busy with tougher case.

 

[10Seven]

I agree with you.

I have been disappointed in the past at how many parents will object so strongly - just to retain a legal right to hit their children.

Not ok to hit an 'adult?
Not ok to hit a child over 12?
But ok to hit a younger child?!

It's abuse plain and simple.

 

[andrewgprv]

Spanking is lazy parenting.

 

[useless]

some toddlers have died because of that and yet they still let them do that!?

 

[Laughing Gull]

humans, being animals, respond to pain. spank a young child hard in the ass when they do something bad, and they wont do it anymore.

what do other primates do to their young children when they misbehave?


there is not enough spanking going on the world today, and I am glad Canada took this stance.

 

[andrewgprv]

Originally posted by Laughing Gull
humans, being animals, respond to pain. spank a young child hard in the ass when they do something bad, and they wont do it anymore.

what do other primates do to their young children when they misbehave?


there is not enough spanking going on the world today, and I am glad Canada took this stance.

Spanking teaches a child that problems can be solved with violence, there are much more ways to discipline a child without the use of violence.

 

[Laughing Gull]

Originally posted by andrewgprv


Spanking teaches a child that problems can be solved with violence, there are much more ways to discipline a child without the use of violence.

not if you teach the difference between diciplinary spanking and violence.

I have never hit anyone out of anger in my entire life (27 years), and I was spanked up untill I was about 11 years old.

 

[vonork]

I can think of six persons that is in a need of serious spanking.

 

[Akka]

Originally posted by 10Seven
Not ok to hit an 'adult?
Not ok to hit a child over 12?
But ok to hit a younger child?!

Well, sorry, but if an adult acts like a spoiled 6 years-child, I do consider it's totally ok to spank him.

 

[amadeus]

I don't believe in spanking at all, but there must be one warning sign to this.

DANGER: Slippery slope ahead.

Someone who's suecrazy enough will come see someone in a K-Mart grab their child's arm and pull them along the store and then they'll say that violates this law. It'll happen some time.

 

[Laughing Gull]

I'll sue them for right back for implying that I am abusing my child. isn't that slanderous?

 

[thestonesfan]

People are usually dead set against spanking kids - up until the moment their two year old runs out into the street.

 

[andvruss]

Originally posted by andrewgprv


Spanking teaches a child that problems can be solved with violence, there are much more ways to discipline a child without the use of violence.

Not that excuse again.

 

[thestonesfan]

Originally posted by andrewgprv


Spanking teaches a child that problems can be solved with violence, there are much more ways to discipline a child without the use of violence.

It's better to scream at them until they feel worthless and unwanted.

 

[Laughing Gull]

yeah that or 15 minutes of unconsequential dialogue that they wont pay attention to.

 

[Lyonesse]

Originally posted by Laughing Gull
not if you teach the difference between diciplinary spanking and violence.

I have never hit anyone out of anger in my entire life (27 years), and I was spanked up untill I was about 11 years old

You hit it right on the dot IMO.

It is disciplinary, not violence. Like you "spanking" was a common form of discipline while I was growing up. It wasn’t for something as trivial as taking a cookie when told not to, but for much more serious “misbehavior”. And, yes, my kids receive “spankings”, BUT with the following factors…

1) Neither my husband or I spank our child when angry. If we are seriously upset by what the child has done (i.e. irate, or feeling somewhat aggressive), we “take a breather” and wait for our anger to subside.
2) The child will know the exact reason they are being “spanked”. It will be explained to them in terms they understand so they know what behavior/action caused this form of discipline.
3) They are “spanked” ONLY with an open hand on their butt.

A LOT of times we give them something in the effect of “3 strikes and you’re out”. They are given stern warnings before “spankings” happen, if the child can not listen well enough with warnings, IMO, a “spanking” is a definite “wake up call”

I, like my mother, very rarely spank the child. Most of the time it is my husbands “job”. And, like when I was little, my kids know that if I say “wait until your father gets home” they have done something VERY wrong.

When I was a kid, the sheer fact that I may be “spanked” was enough for me to watch my actions very closely.

We have tried the “alternate forms” of punishment, such as “time outs” and to be totally honest, ALL of my kids learned very quickly that “well if I do something wrong I’ll just have to sit by myself for a few minutes, no big deal”, it VERY RARELY reinforced any “rules” we as parents were trying to “enforce”. Yes, I still occasionally use “time outs” (for very minor misbehavior), but when the misdeed or misaction of the child is “extreme” enough, the only thing that will “wake them up to reality” is a smack on the butt.

Now, while this next example won’t go for everyone, I think it is quite a good comparison.

My brother and I have 5 kids each, all within the same age range (5-13). My brother and his wife have decided that “spanking” is not a good idea, therefore the only “punishment” issued in their household is a “good telling off” and a “time out”. My husband and I have decided that mixture of “time outs” and “spankings” are okay. My husband and I are constantly complimented on how well our 5 children behave, saying such things as “I wish I that my child/children were that well behaved” or “How did you manage to get such well behaved children?” While my brother almost weekly gets things like “your child needs to be “spoken” to about _____ behavior today in school today” or “John was not respecting the rules or the teachers in class today, he did receive a time out, but he continued to be disrespectful”. Even my parents have stated that my brother’s kids get away with WAY too much, and that the discipline in their household needs serious help. Like I said, it may not pertain to all people but the majority of kids, IMO, in “time out only” households are more likely to misbehave than others because they know that no “serious” punishment will ever be enforced.

 

[andrewgprv]

Originally posted by thestonesfan


It's better to scream at them until they feel worthless and unwanted.

Yeah that's it.....

Don't take away privilges

Or ground them

Or talk to them

Just spank or scream, that's your only options.

 

[andrewgprv]

As a child not being able to watch TV or play video games would have been a much more severe punishment then being slapped on the ass.

However that involves a continous enforcement that alot of parents don't want to bother with, why do that when you can have something instant like a smack on the bum

 

[Nisku]

I knew someone that would stuff there kid behind the piano for "time outs". My favourite was another parent I know who pays there kid to do things like if he acts good he gets some candies or if he watches his brother he gets paid.

Well I'm glad that Canada is not such a socialist wastehole that you can't even discipline your kids without the government interfering. Good for the supreme court .

 

[Lyonesse]

Originally posted by andrewgprv
As a child not being able to watch TV or play video games would have been a much more severe punishment then being slapped on the ass.

However that involves a continous enforcement that alot of parents don't want to bother with, why do that when you can have something instant like a smack on the bum

We recently had a situation with my oldest son. He was warned about his behavior several times. We took away his video games, TV, and "social activities" for more than a week, and still the problem persisted. Yet, when my husband put him over his knee, let him know there was punishment for his actions, my son corrected his behavior and we haven't had a problem since. We tried talking, we tried "milder punishment", and we never "chewed him out". We very calmly expalined things as they were, and the price he would pay for his actions. This is the first time in YEARS that we've had to go the "spanking route" with him, but sometimes, that smack on the butt is truly what "wakes them up"