Speculate on Inca and Spanish UU/UB/UA

I suspect the Spanish will get the Tercio UU, and maybe a cavalry Conquistador-ish UU. I would like it if they got a UB but I doubt they will, given how Civ 5 is simplifying each civ's flavor rather drastically in this installment. =|
 
Gogo izzy, lets punish the infidels!!

On a more serious note:
UB: Bullifighting Arena (needs new name duh) (replaces circus): Doesn't require horses, +2 culture

Are you sure you don't mean +2 happiness -3 culture?
 
What unit is Quechua, it seems to be more ethnic group.

I think Incan UU should be prefer
UU: Pururauca (some kind of Guerilla group).
UB: Terrace farms
UA: Incan Roads and Tambos (roads give more speed)

For Spains I would choose
UU: Conquistador (Lancer)
UB: Bullfight arena (Circus)
UA: Grande y Felicísima Armada
 
I would say that torturing animals (still today, not something from the past) is pretty serious

'Torture' hardly applies imo.. but ok, it is your opinion. Would rather not go into that here since it is not the place.

Re. UU for Spain.. I hope it is not conquistador again!
 
Well, the Tercio is certainly going to be one of Spain's UUs. The files from the game preload told me so! :)
 
Oh, cool, I missed that.. Does the file speak of the other unit or UB?

How come that info is there? Was it a blunder, or deliberate I wonder..
 
And do you think the leader will be related to the Tercios? Because then it won't be isabel. It would most likely be Carlos I (of spain, V of germany)
 
I was hoping for Pachacuti, by Huyana is still a good choice

Inca
UU: No clue, so let's go with Quechua
UB: Terrace - replaces granary. +1 food on all hill tiles worked from this city.
UA: Chasqui Roads - Cuts road maintenance costs in half

Spain
UU: Conquistador - replaces lancer. +1 moves, +50% combat against non-gunpowder units (Longswordsmen, Swordsmen, Warrior, Spear, and Pike).

(EDIT: Since Tercio is confirmed, let's go with that. I had Guerrillo).
Tercio, replaces Musketman. Combat bonus against cavalry.

UA: Reconquista - Combat bonus attacking any city built by Spain but captured
UA: Inquisition - No resistance in conquered cities. 25% discount for courthouses.

Out of these two, I'd prefer the second one, although I'd love to represent the first one by name.
 
For the tercio:replaces musketman:
-starts with shock 1 and 2 (but same 16 strength)
-mercenary: costs half its normal cost to buy, but has twice the normal maintenance.

Then there should be some kind of UA that gives lots of golds from something related to oversea conquest/colonization, such as: get a 5 turn golden age everytime you capture a city overseas (obviously wouldn't stack).

For the other unique thing, I'd like a building, but we will probably have a conquistador, although I don't know what they would replace, since lancers come later than tercios, which is actually anachronic. So we might get some boosted caravels...
 
I would like more buildings, they give more benefit your empire than a unit in long period. Because of that I like to play more civs which have UB instead of 2. UU

I would like to see Túpac Inca Yupanqui as a leader at least but Pachacuti is ok.
 
Well, its not that other empires didn't have crimes, but that the Spanish were particularly ruthless right after the reconquista and then the conquest of the Americas.

Anyways, other "Imperialistic" civs, like the Mongols and Aztecs, have their "dark side" represented in the game, why not the Spanish?
Agreed. But US also deserves to get such a UA reflecting the crimes they have done in the last century. But I know Firaxis won't do that. US & Spanish are basically Western so whatever their rulers did, they'll be known as the GREAT however Mongols & Aztecs terrorized their surrounding area. See how biased history is.
 
I really really hate Musketmen replacements.

There's already three or four, and muskets get so little use because they're just cheaper Longswords, and Rifling isn't far beyond. Units upgrade from Pikemen/Longswords to Riflemen, and not muskets.
 
I'm going to say that's plausible. At least, somewhere between the 5-10 range for two civs and a scenario.
 
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Just a reference point, as the image has since been changed back to a lock. Image credit goes to MouseyPounds


I'm pretty sure it's Pachacuti and Isabella.
 
Agreed. But US also deserves to get such a UA reflecting the crimes they have done in the last century.

Like every other civ on the planet is so spotless as to avoid a similar fate? :X

But I know Firaxis won't do that.

There are probably more reasons for not focusing on the dark side of various civilizations than you seem to ascribe to them.

For one, most folks buying the game are Western, which is why it's not good to jab too heavily at them. Have to play to your audience, after all.

Second, yeah, there's some bias.

Third, it's pretty much not as big a part of the civilization in both the public mind and actuality as to merit inclusion in the game's limited number of uniques. Like it or not, whatever single defining basic aspect of the American civilization historians come up with will most likely not be "Financed rebellions to install favorable governments."

however Mongols & Aztecs terrorized their surrounding area.

Sacrificing folks and ripping out their heart would certainly inspire terror in me.

Also, Mongols were pretty outrageously brutal when resisted. Not a lot of people who said "No" to the Mongols got away with their homes still standing... 'cept for the Mamaelukes, I guess. When the primary reason you get into Civ is because you embarked on a spree of nearly nonstop conquest, there's not much left to say.

But anyhow, whatever else the U.S. done, it doesn't have the conquer-and-demand-tribute/raze thing going on, nor a state religion built around sacrificing folks to the sun god. Lots of nations have skeletons in their closets, some just have their skeletons closer to the heart than others.

Well, that was a long drift off track.

I agree that the Inca UA will probably involve a bonus to hill farms... maybe something on roads might work too, though. They loved their roads, those Incans. Don't know a whole lot else about the Incan Empire, so I'm going to keep my head down around that.

Spain apparently has the Tercio confirmed, so no question there. Conquistadors sound about right for another UU. UA? Hmm... Maybe something along the lines of extra gold from trade routes from conquered cities? Want to say it'd work for overseas cities only like the actual Spanish Empire, but that probably wouldn't be very good. Maybe a bonus from conquered cities and an extra bonus from overseas cities.
 
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