Speculating on (Historical) Civ Progression

Goths - Norse - Sweden
Goths - Norse - Scotland
Goths - Normans - England
Goths - Normans - Italy
Goths - Venice - Italy
Goths - Spain - Mexico
Goths - Portugal - Brazil
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Goths - Norse - Sweden
Goths - Norse - Scotland
Goths - Normans - England
Goths - Normans - Italy
Goths - Venice - Italy
Goths - Spain - Mexico
Goths - Portugal - Brazil
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"Wait, we're all goths?"
"Always has been."
 
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So for ancient Europe we have Greece, Rome and the Goths. Do we think that's it?

For Russia : Goths > Kievan Rus > Russia or Goths > Novgorod > Russia
 
So for ancient Europe we have Greece, Rome and the Goths. Do we think that's it?

For Russia : Goths > Kievan Rus > Russia or Goths > Novgorod > Russia
Due to recent circumstances, I doubt we're going to see Kievan Rus into Russia.
 
I could see Byzantium to Russia though
If modern Russia is the Soviet Union, that would be super weird and uncomfortable IMO. (If it's Imperial Russia...it's a stretch, but I can think of worse stretches.)
 
If modern Russia is the Soviet Union, that would be super weird and uncomfortable IMO. (If it's Imperial Russia...it's a stretch, but I can think of worse stretches.)
Imperial Russia and the Byzantines would both have to be Exploration Age civs though, right?
 
Imperial Russia and the Byzantines would both have to be Exploration Age civs though, right?
I mean, Imperial Russia ended in 1918, not that it was doing great at any point in the latter half of the 19th century. So Imperial Russia would be an odd pick for modern, but not an impossible one. Plus, it's not like the Soviet Union was doing any better so...(I'm going to go out a limb and say they won't pick the Russian Federation, either way. :p )
 
I mean, Imperial Russia ended in 1918, not that it was doing great at any point in the latter half of the 19th century. So Imperial Russia would be an odd pick for modern, but not an impossible one. Plus, it's not like the Soviet Union was doing any better so...(I'm going to go out a limb and say they won't pick the Russian Federation, either way. :p )
Maybe you're right? It's one of those weird situations where the lines blur because of the associated wonder, the Hermitage, and a potential leader, Catherine, falls into the time jump between the Exploration and Modern Age. But I guess that's better than getting Russia into Soviets and solving that problem.
 
Any chance of Kievan Rus' being part of Age 2 Russia without causing any political inconvenience?

Maybe you're right? It's one of those weird situations where the lines blur because of the associated wonder, the Hermitage, and a potential leader, Catherine, falls into the time jump between the Exploration and Modern Age. But I guess that's better than getting Russia into Soviets and solving that problem.
I still hope St. Basil's Cathedral is in the game. It's quite iconic and looks simply gorgeous on the map.
 
Any chance of Kievan Rus' being part of Age 2 Russia without causing any political inconvenience?


I still hope St. Basil's Cathedral is in the game. It's quite iconic and looks simply gorgeous on the map.
I hope yes to both.
 
Imperial Russia ~1300?1400? to 1917 would be Both Second and Third Ages
I mean if I had to pick one, I think it would work better in the second Age, considering the Modern Age is definitely when it went on the decline, unlike their rise under Peter and Catherine the Great, but that's just me. :)
 
I mean if I had to pick one, I think it would work better in the second Age, considering the Modern Age is definitely when it went on the decline, unlike their rise under Peter and Catherine the Great, but that's just me. :)
They could also just say “Russia” and not distinguish Soviet from Imperial (Same as they don’t distinguish Republican and Imperial Rome)
 
Once you step outside of the Western Europe alignment the line between Exploration and Modern gets real blurry.

And that's the problem with Russia.

It has strong cultural and religious antecedents with Byzantium, but Byzantium is most likely (if it is in) an Exploration Age civ. So backdate it to Rome (Caesar = Tsar? Close enough for Civ!) then they have a choice:

Imperial Russia = 1400 - 1800 more or less, becomes an Exploration Age Civ with St Basil's Cathedral (and maybe, finally, Ivan III or Ivan IV instead of Pete or Kathy for leader) OR

Kievan Rus becomes an Exploration Age Civ, also with St Basil's Cathedral with a little shuffling and stretching.

Modern Russia is where the problem really lies. Assuming Modern Age starts around 1800 with Industrialization and all the Social/Political problems associated, then the 225 or so years since have been 118 years of Imperial Russia, 71 years of the Soviet Union, and about 33 years of the current Russian State. That last has the problem that all of its leaders are too recent and the other problem is that neither the Soviet Union nor the post-Soviet Russian State leave a good feeling behind when contemplating them.
On the other hand, Imperial Russia post 1800 doesn't provide a lot of historically-accurate decent Leaders either. They could use some distinctly Off The Wall leaders, though: Rasputin springs to mind, or Bakunin the Anarchist. What the heck, if they can have Napoleon the Corsican Ogre as a Leader, why not the Mad Monk or a Leader who was steadfastly against any form of government? Think of the attributes either one could get . . .
 
They could opt for Novgorod as Age 2 Russia if Kievan Rus' isn't feasible, or even Muscovy.
 
Once you step outside of the Western Europe alignment the line between Exploration and Modern gets real blurry.

And that's the problem with Russia.

It has strong cultural and religious antecedents with Byzantium, but Byzantium is most likely (if it is in) an Exploration Age civ. So backdate it to Rome (Caesar = Tsar? Close enough for Civ!) then they have a choice:

Imperial Russia = 1400 - 1800 more or less, becomes an Exploration Age Civ with St Basil's Cathedral (and maybe, finally, Ivan III or Ivan IV instead of Pete or Kathy for leader) OR

Kievan Rus becomes an Exploration Age Civ, also with St Basil's Cathedral with a little shuffling and stretching.

Modern Russia is where the problem really lies. Assuming Modern Age starts around 1800 with Industrialization and all the Social/Political problems associated, then the 225 or so years since have been 118 years of Imperial Russia, 71 years of the Soviet Union, and about 33 years of the current Russian State. That last has the problem that all of its leaders are too recent and the other problem is that neither the Soviet Union nor the post-Soviet Russian State leave a good feeling behind when contemplating them.
On the other hand, Imperial Russia post 1800 doesn't provide a lot of historically-accurate decent Leaders either. They could use some distinctly Off The Wall leaders, though: Rasputin springs to mind, or Bakunin the Anarchist. What the heck, if they can have Napoleon the Corsican Ogre as a Leader, why not the Mad Monk or a Leader who was steadfastly against any form of government? Think of the attributes either one could get . . .
Just have them without a leader
…. or Ra ra rasputin :)
 
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