Speculating on (Historical) Civ Progression

[Evie]

Even with a mississippian antique civ, it would probably be
Maya: unlock Aztec and Shawnee
Adena: unlock Aztec and Shawnee

If BOTH options are there, that's fine. I just don't want Maya into Shawnee the *only* option.

 

[Zaarin]

As I understand it the Fort Ancient scholar tend toward the Shawnee hypothesis, but the Shawnee history scholars shrug and just add another dartboard to the "where the heck where they before contact" map, since we have evidence for about ten different states covering half the area between St Louis and Philadelphia. I tear my hair out in frustration whenever I have to figure out where to put the Shawnee in mods.

"Anywhere in a triangle between Southern Georgia, Ohio, and Maritime Canada" isn't a narrow enough region for you?

 

[Evie]

More of a circle covering all three of these points, really.

 

[Siptah]

I wonder whether Egypt > Songhai at least pleases the „ancient Egypt was not a Nilotic civ, it was purely black African“ crowd. I was spammed by Afrocentrism content on social media for years, and a lot of the content (while being incredibly racist) lumped all of black Africa together as they claimed a single origin and common culture. So maybe this very vocal crowd would be happy with this?

 

[Olle Wernersson]

As someone interested in playing as Sweden, if I understand the age system correctly, Sweden will only be available as a civilization in the modern age, assuming Sweden is included at all.

Could the Vikings be the exploration-age civilization that eventually transitions into Sweden? So: ? > Vikings > Sweden?

What could the antiquity-age civilizations be that transition into the Vikings?

 

[moysturfurmer]

As someone interested in playing as Sweden, if I understand the age system correctly, Sweden will only be available as a civilization in the modern age, assuming Sweden is included at all.

Could the Vikings be the exploration-age civilization that eventually transitions into Sweden? So: ? > Vikings > Sweden?

What could the antiquity-age civilizations be that transition into the Vikings?

The Geats? I could see them doing a Gilgamesh and making Beowulf the leader.

But I don’t know anything about them (or much about anything), so I could be way way off base.

 

[Siptah]

As someone interested in playing as Sweden, if I understand the age system correctly, Sweden will only be available as a civilization in the modern age, assuming Sweden is included at all.

Could the Vikings be the exploration-age civilization that eventually transitions into Sweden? So: ? > Vikings > Sweden?

What could the antiquity-age civilizations be that transition into the Vikings?

Sweden would fit the Exploration Age as well. They had a power spike before the industrialization. It would differ drastically from modern Sweden though, as it would surely be a militaristic civ, maybe with unique artillery?

 

[Civinator]

I am curious how Firaxis will solve the mess they are maneuvering into (as shown by the posts in this thread).

 

[Razpor]

Maurya to Nepal is likely fine, but Bhutan is more of a Tibetan culture and Bhutan has been responsible for the ethnic cleansing of its Nepalese population so I don’t think either would like being connected to the other.

Tibetan culture itself is hugely influenced by Indian vrajyana budhism ,bhutan is more of a mix between the two cultures.
Indo-tibet is deeply connected,so the the progression seems fine in that regard.
Tibet itself can have a lot of new options of progression ,if they add it in the game .
Which might not happen ,cause PRC

 

[Siptah]

Which might not happen ,cause PRC

Dunno. This has been said for decades. But games like Europa Universalis and Crusader Kings always got away with having Tibet. They would make a nice Age of Exploration civ for sure. In worst case, it could be a DLC that's not available in PRC.

 

[thecrazyscot]

Added Persia and Inca to OP per analysis in this post.

 

[Siptah]

As I‘m interested in the default paths as much as in the alternative plausible paths (and thus switching out of a preset route without going full random), I wonder whether Persia/Achaemenids will unlock Mongols automatically.

 

[thecrazyscot]

As I‘m interested in the default paths as much as in the alternative plausible paths (and thus switching out of a preset route without going full random), I wonder whether Persia/Achaemenids will unlock Mongols automatically.

For that matter I wonder if China > Mongolia will be a default path...

 

[Siptah]

For that matter I wonder if China > Mongolia will be a default path...

It should be unlocked. Especially when we don‘t have a 2nd Age China in vanilla, but even then.

 

[Krikkit1]

As I‘m interested in the default paths as much as in the alternative plausible paths (and thus switching out of a preset route without going full random), I wonder whether Persia/Achaemenids will unlock Mongols automatically.

So far we know
-Songhai can be unlocked by previous civs or with a leader (and only by that)
-Mongols can be unlocked by gameplay (having horses)
-Inca can be unlocked by gameplay (mountains)

A big question is if there are civs that are unlocked Both by gameplay AND previous civs or if “gameplay unlock” civs are only for those without civ unlocks

 

[thecrazyscot]

Yeah, that's a great question. Or do they do a combination, where if an Exploration Age civ doesn't have a historical predecessor in the game it becomes a wildcard option?

 

[The_J]

We have also seen that there is more than 1 "historical choice", and I don't think there needs to be any exclusivity.
if Egypt can "historically" evolve to Songhai and into the Abbassids, then ancient China might be able to evolve into exploration age China or into Mongolia. And any state which as enough horses into Mongolia. None of that needs to be exclusive.

 

[Siptah]

So far we know
-Songhai can be unlocked by previous civs or with a leader (and only by that)
-Mongols can be unlocked by gameplay (having horses)
-Inca can be unlocked by gameplay (mountains)

A big question is if there are civs that are unlocked Both by gameplay AND previous civs or if “gameplay unlock” civs are only for those without civ unlocks

I mean, at some point, when there are more civs, (almost) all wil be unlockable by civs, right?

And for Songhai - are we sure or maybe it is just not displayed because they are already unlocked via other means in the screenshots?

 

[thecrazyscot]

I mean, at some point, when there are more civs, (almost) all wil be unlockable by civs, right?

And for Songhai - are we sure or maybe it is just not displayed because they are already unlocked via other means in the screenshots?

There's a screenshot that shows Songhai can be unlocked by Egypt, Aksum, or Amina.

 

[Krikkit1]

Yeah, that's a great question. Or do they do a combination, where if an Exploration Age civ doesn't have a historical predecessor in the game it becomes a wildcard option?

Well we know of 2 Exploration Age civs with gameplay unlocks…one of those (Inca) almost certainly doesn’t have any good civ unlocks (unless you go Maya->Inca…which isn’t a good civ unlock, but it might be done)

So I think any civ without a predecessor civ unlock will have a gameplay unlock. (so there are no “anyone can take it” civs…you have to do something to unlock it)